Hong Kong: Anger and Protest as City Marks 15 Years Since Its Return to China

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On July 1 self-made millionaire Leung Chun-ying was sworn in as Hong Kong’s new top official by Chinese President Hu Jintao. The day marked the 15th anniversary of the handover from Britain to China, and tens of thousands of demonstrators took to the streets to vent complaints about rising inequity, the slow pace of political reform and fears of the growing influence of mainland China on the semi-autonomous city

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DaLiuMang
DaLiuMang

China uses"One country,two systems".So HK didn't change the political system.If HK changes it.It will cause lots of trouble.Chinese government doesn't want to see this.Because HK can help China a lot.And HK should play her big role in the world.In the other way,Chinese government wants to have the country's independence and integrity.He must take actions.You can't say "Socialisme is not good".Every coin has two sides.You should objective appraisal.You said"We value our human rights, our freedom of speech and our right to universal suffrage, values which are not upheld in mainland China"Yes,that's true.Western countries have a democratic work-style.But do you know what's is the despotism ?You can see North Korea.In China,you have core values and ideas,you can have human rights.You can also have the freedom of speech.Only if you don't want to against the government.If you against the capitalism in western countries.You will be in prison,too.Now,you know,you can't look down on the other social system.If this country develops well,and people there think they are comfortable.The country likes peace.That's enough.Social systems only have differences between fitness and unseemliness.Read more: http://world.time.com/2012/07/...

rory2012
rory2012

Hong Kong people should call the Queen, mum and Uncle Sam ,Dad.Japanese your step father.What a bunch of traitor.Even hundred years ago,China were occupied and split up by imperial powers. We as a Chinese at that time being uneducated and poor still never produced a low life animal like Hong Kong people today.

pop_man
pop_man

You guys did not know the actual situations of China and Chinese people.  Really appreciate the international concern about the democracy in China. If you think a democratic and free society could give a better life for Chinese people, you may be wrong. The collaps of that govenment would leave the majority a disaster. The Chinese stuff is more complicated than your imagination. Be paciente, the chinese people could decide thire future, because the human historty is constructed by the  unite of the individuals.

Personal opinion, I'm not a fifty cents tong!

Guest
Guest

This is great chance to pull the progress in mainland China. CPC has bad reputation among certain level of city residents because of soaring estate price. The wealth gap is becoming larger, which raise a lot of problem. 

I think, in some part of mainland,like Shanghai the time for more democracy politics is mature. People are more wealthy and educatedActually officials among this part are more open-minded. 

But still among large parts of western parts, the bureaucracy is still large problem. Tragically, CPC still enjoy a rather good reputation, which is both from their work and propaganda, among the high percentage people, especially in some rural parts. Although you can see lots of different voice on internet, the foundation of CPC is still solid.  

However, CPC has huge mounts of new party members from college. Actually they seldom know the Marx and Mao's theory. And after about 20 years when the conservatives gone, they definitely will be hope of  politic reforms. 

High percentage of people in mainland know the shorts of autocratic of CPC and are willing to change it. But they just don't want to see the sharp turn, which may cause chaos and anarchy. Actually the condition for western style in China are not mature. Also it remains suspicious whether the western style will work in so different situation. 

Those who pay the  price of sharp revolution like some countries are mainlanders ourselves, not the activists in western countries and HK.  The large population in mainland can't afford this price. 

Also one can't deny the CPC are doing some good things and large amounts people lives better. So rarely are there people willing to sacrifice the lifes there and they are more willing to accept the gradually reform. Actually, the basic level officials are elected directly in large parts in China, especially in rural parts. 

So we just appreciate those truly protesters for democracy politics in mainland and the voice on internet. You are the pressure for the reform. But sometimes you should be know the situation better. Things are  really complex for such a large country but are always getting better surely. 

Brad Holman
Brad Holman

I always chuckle a bit whenever I hear the term  "People's Liberation Army".  No army is about liberating their people, for they are paid and bought by the governments that keep their people down. Ask a general anywhere whether they'd join the people they "sworn" to protect in taking down their corrupt government, and he'd probably shoot the one asking the question in response.

Shun-hang Leung
Shun-hang Leung

I am one of the protestant who carried the hongkong flag ytd. I think i saw the two female reporters in the protest but since they didn't want to interview me i couldn't have a chance to say sth there. However, I'd say sth here.

There are five reasons why I would bring out the Blue Hong Kong flag:

1. From 1980s til 1997, this flag flew in this most glorious time of HongKong. Hongkonger at that time were more brave to fight for justice and fairness. I would very much like to recall their memories and aware of their long hidden courage...

2. Say no to PRC, Say no to CY Leung...

3.  This flag is a very good mean to make PRC and "its" 5-cent-per-word internet writers angry... we can already see those writer for 5 cents are getting very angry and argue without sense and making lot of fun to hongkong internet users. lovely.

4. I was in the group walking to the british consulate in hong kong... We object that UK ignore the fact that PRC has definitely breached the Sino-British joint declaration article 2. sub-article 3 (state as below):

 The Hong Kong Special Administrative Region will be vested with

executive, legislative and independent judicial power, including that

of final adjudication. The laws currently in force in Hong Kong will

remain basically unchanged.

the executive and legislative power is indeed obviously taking control by PRC, however, the UK still can write sth like saying one country two system is running smooth without problem in their six monthly report of Hong Kong. We cannot accept that. I want the UK govt take action, FACE THE TRUTH! DO STH ! UK is one of the party who sign the Sino-British Sino-British joint declaration. IT IS THEIR RESPONSIBILITY, pls remember it.

5. It's to support both the independence movement group and the HKAM group... as I said above,  hongkonger remember this flag ...it doesn't matter there's a union jack on it... the flag can attract people come ask what we are protesting for and make the groups stronger!

Chan To Ching Raymond
Chan To Ching Raymond

CCP doesn't represent China as a whole. Chairman Mao ruined the Chinese culture in Cultural Revolution. "New China" began at 1949, which is different from the "Old China" with 5,000 years of history.

nhbcxglh
nhbcxglh

I am a mainlander.  Most of my colleagues hate this evil government.

        

nhbcxglh
nhbcxglh

I live in chinese mainland,  I can tell you many mainlanders hate this communist government .   Due to uprising of internet, more and more chinese   get enough imformation to recognize  the government as their enemy.

Although  the government is so powerful at this time, but with time passing, it will fall.

nhbcxglh
nhbcxglh

I can tell you many mainlanders hate the communist government ,  I am one  of  them

Ivan
Ivan

Hong Kong should fight for freedom...the chinese autocratic rule is not good for anyone...including chinese...

David Yu
David Yu

For those protectors, my question is how much money do you have donated when there was earthquack in Sichuan if you guys realy care about humanright and welfare of Chinese? If not much or non, please keep your hypocrisy to yourself. No chinese beleive that you guys are caring. If you guys only care one dissident killing himself but do not care hundreds and thousands of Chinese killed in natural disasters, then how hypocritical it is that.  Please do not shed crocodile tears. You are fake.

David Yu
David Yu

It seems that China has left Hong Kong alone but Hong Kong people try to interference China's affair now. China can keep Hong kong as a capital city with democratic system but Hong Kong people can not tolerance China's socialism. What are you protecting for? China did not own you one cent but give you resources of food , water and business. You did not pay one cent to China (not one cent of tax manoy to China). You are realy a bounch of ungrateful monkies.

David Yu
David Yu

When China become democratic, mainland Chinese will be free to go to hong kong and who can stop them? You spoiled rats? Come on, are you guys too naive or too idiot?

David Yu
David Yu

You are one of british running dog and slave.

Dai Vo
Dai Vo

 then f..k them up

Dai Vo
Dai Vo

 then fuck them up!!!

Evan231
Evan231

In reply to nhbcxglh and Giovanna_C, my dear brothers and sisters, let's bury this evil government with our own hand so that our children can live a better life on the future.

Giovanna_C
Giovanna_C

I am sorry that you cannot do anything about it...thats why as a Hongkie, I really would like to protect my freedom! I still wanna access to twitter and facebook freely!

Landopanda
Landopanda

In the Western world, we hear so much about migrant workers rioting and protesting.  I'm sure it just gets covered up in China.  Their whole system can't last forever.  The bubble is going to pop one day and their whole system is going to come tumbling down.  Mark my words.

b_igsam
b_igsam

who is going to fight for freedom ? Hong kong residents ? you don't want to see  the 1989 tiananmen affair happen again , do you ? fighting without power is called suicide .

Evan231
Evan231

My answer is you should just commit suicide because you do not deserved to live as a human. Hong Kong has donated more that you can imagine to Mainlander during Sichuan and such donation is broadcasted live during that time. I supposed that you are just too ignorant to go and find the videos. Not only Sichuan's, Hong Kongers organized donation for almost everything to Mainlander, did you know about 歡樂滿東華? You are a foolish prick, and shall die with your evil C.C.P

RaKuZa
RaKuZa

Get your facts right before you spew out more nonsense. Investments from Hong Kong and Macau made up nearly 45% of foreign investment in China up until 2004, making us the LARGEST foreign investors from ashore. Meaning we directly contributed to your economy boom in China and if not for us you guys would still be eating mud. 

Are you stupid to believe the propaganda of the Chinese government in saying "Hong Kong needs to be saved by China"?

The tourism from china only contributed to 2% of the Hong Kong economy so stop acting like you guys are the saviour. In fact if not for Hong Kong all your babies would be dead from eating the melamine-tainted milk powder. You guys should be thankful to us to provide safe and genuine products to mainlanders, ranging from everyday products to luxury items.

As to the Chinese SOE investing and listing in Hong Kong, people with half a brain should know that they are doing it for their own benefit. They only list in Hong Kong to raise capitals, foreign investors have faith in the Hong Kong stock market but not the Shanghai one. Furthermore your companies set up their offices in Hong Kong to increase their reputations for oversea consumers since they trust HK and not China. Please do not bring the Chinese "fake" product culture into HK and taint our reputation. 

I suggest you do more readings before embarrassing yourself furthermore.

Wien Chung
Wien Chung

dude what the hell are you smoking? stupidity? or ignorance? Go check it out before you spite trash again. I believe we donated more than enough for your corrupted government to make enough fortune out of it. Oh wait Im sorry, I forgot you cannot access information unless they are processed by the holy motherland. Cheers mate.

RaKuZa
RaKuZa

Hello again Ignorant fool. During the Sichuan

Earthquake, the government of Hong Kong alone $10,000,000,000 (US $ 1,282,051,282.05 equivalent). This is approximately $200 USD per person. This is not even counting the

private donations. Where did that money go? Recently a school built by the HK

government in sichuan was brought down 2 years after completion because the sichuan government demolished it to develop properties. Not a single cent was returned to the HK government. More over, during the great flood in eastern China in 1991, The Hong Kong government donated $50,000,000 HKD ($6,410,256.41 USD) to China, the private donations from HK public amounted to $470,000,000 HKD ($60,256,410.25 USD). Where did most of the donation go to? The greedy filthy commie official's pockets. So before you tell me we are not helping the mainlanders, you should consider taking history lessons. Not the history lessons written by the commies though, they lie and make up histories. If you love China so much you should help overthrow the bullshit regime and help establish a democratic China.Word of advice, I know you have been brainwashed by the commies before you come abroad. Now that you have information freedom, update and correct your knowledge of history.

anylamp
anylamp

Cut the crap please. Hong Kong People donated 13billion HKD to the earthquake victims.. Talking about donation amp; caring for prc victims of (natural) disasters, HK always comes first. 

Source: 

http://news.xinhuanet.com/gang... 

Hung Chan
Hung Chan

"China did not own you one cent but give you resources of food , water and businese"Are u insane?? We bought those "disgusting" and "polluted" water from China!! and I am pretty sure China gov paid u 5 cents for this post =D

Nicna
Nicna

if i didn't pay for the water, food, or other resources, i gotta pay  extra penalty

and plz....... be smart before u cmt it, we DO PAY FOR THE bills, even 10 cents or 1 cent

u stupid, our stupid gov. ady pay much more expensive than others places to buy the unclean water.. we can't drink the water directly, not likes some places and have water directly thru' the spigot

no wonder u ppl in China is always said something wrong, plz do your research before you voice out, ok? plz plz plz plz plz !!!!!

besides, if i can choose what i wanted i will say

plz stop produce poison foods, whatever it is........ egg, rice, viggi, milk powder, dumping, blah, blah, blah, you Chinese in China are the expert of 

producing the poison food

even we can purchase foods from other places likes Thailand, Japan, TW, KR, wherever

China still the one who 

produce the poison food

Kimberly Chan
Kimberly Chan

Are you serious? China has not "left Hong Kong alone" ever since 1997. Try explaining the massive swarm of Mainlanders who A. want to gain permanent residence in Hong Kong by having pregnant wives stay in Hong Kong in the late course of their pregnancies, and rush them into emergency rooms, or B. keep buying Hong Kong properties and are most likely behind the inflation of housing prices? Those are only TWO examples. Hong Kong's medical resources, housingamp; job opportunities and rights to freedom of speech are slowly diminishing because of Mainland presence. Hong Kongers "interfere with China's affair" 'only' because press freedom and transparency are the very tenets on which Hong Kong thrives. It then comes as no surprise that we'd want to protect our rights as much as we can.

Your statement couldn't be more wrong - I almost think Hong Kong would want nothing to do with China beyond the financial front. MY POINT IS: Get your facts straight.

Max Cheung
Max Cheung

I forgive you. I know your "information" is gathered from the "great" communist. China gives us food and WE HAVE PAID FOR THE FOOD. I don't think we can't survive without the so-called China resources. GO STAY IN YOUR COMMUNIST WONDERLAND. Don't come to HK for safe food.

RaKuZa
RaKuZa

People are protesting because china is directly corrupting Hong Kong's political system, from meddling the Chief Executive election and tightening the political freedom of people (including the freedom of speech and allowing the use of excessive violence by the HK police). How much do you think you know Hong Kong to make such an arrogant comment? For your information, it was the mainlanders who brings their "Socialism" to Hong Kong and force us to accept their twisted political ideals, hence we are protesting to PROTECT our values from being corrupted. We are protecting our core values and ideas, which are in line with the civilized world. We value our human rights, our freedom of speech and our right to universal suffrage, values which are not upheld in mainland China. And in response to your even more ignorant comment "

China did not own you one cent but give you resources of food , water and business. You did not pay one cent to China (not one cent of tax manoy to China)" You are making it sound like we are getting them for free. We bought food and water off you mainlanders at premium prices. I am surprised you demand us to be grateful when the prices we pay for your polluted water are higher than what Singapore is paying Malaysia for their water. Now answer me Mr David Yu, was Hong Kong a gateway into China or was China a gateway into Hong Kong? Who is giving who business here? If not for Hong Kong, China would have collapsed. Who would want to do business in a country ruled by a blood thirsty regime? As of now, Hong Kong still tops the chart of foreign investment in China. What is your nonsense about Hong Kong relying on China? This is all business and China relies on Hong Kong just as much.Lastly, if you do not agree with the values of the west (which is what we believe in Hong Kong), the you should go back to China to embrace your Socialism. Judging by the fact that you can actually read Time you are probably in a western country, since western news is blocked in China.

Giovanna_C
Giovanna_C

What? I bet you know nothing about what is going on cause the horrible Chinese government block all the crappy things it as done to HK. Hong Kong people just want to get the freedom of speech and freedom of press back. Do you know anything about 6.4 incident and how they treated the civil rights activists?

China give us RMB, in return, we have poisonous food from china, chinese people pooing on the train, and chinese people taking over our medical resources.

Wien Chung
Wien Chung

hey idiot is a noun, you mean idiotic? Where did you learn your English? From text books that are made in China?

Shun-hang Leung
Shun-hang Leung

c'mon dave yu, write such a short response ur master may just downgrade ur pay to one-cent-per-word... i am worried for u....

btw :) see ur anger(or better say stupidity?)  making me much happier and think my effort was worth.... thanks ....

David Yu
David Yu

You should kill yourself or you will die in a accident, a spoiled rat

David Yu
David Yu

You should kill yourself or you will be killed by a car or bus, you mother f-u-cker.

David Yu
David Yu

Compared to hong kong people (or some people) mainland Chinese are more political mature and most hong kong people are  naive (you are even an idiot). Most Chinese people do not think hong kongers highly because you have no backbone towards your previous british master but call Chinese locusts. A lot of hong kongers are considered as low life in mainland because you guys only interested in money and self indulgent. You think you are whiter than mainland Chinese and at high moral ground but actually you are just a bounch of colonial slaves. Shame on you, a colonial master's running dog.

David Yu
David Yu

You are a running dog of your previous occupier. Most mainlanders know that your people have no idea about politics but a bounch of money worms with slave mentality.

David Yu
David Yu

You cut craps please, the donation are not from those people hate mainland Chinese and call them locust. You ungratefull and spoiled rats.

David Yu
David Yu

Ye, 50 cents crap. I do not expect too much from you with such low IQ.

David Yu
David Yu

Your guys have been brainwashed by your crap media. Do a research yourself and get fact right. Most of foods and water are supplied by mainland China, you ungrateful rats. You think your peanut size land can support a few million people and a few thousands of rats like you? No way. It is mainland China support you, ungrateful and spoiled rats.

David Yu
David Yu

Mainland Chinese know you guys want to be british's slave again. You people have no backbone, a bounch of ungratefull hypocritics and monkies. Before 1997, could you choose your govt? Come on, who is your governer before 1997? Was he elected by you guys? Have you protected for no election? You are just a bounch of running dogs.

rory2012
rory2012

I am glad Chinese are not spineless like you and your friends alike in this forum.Otherwise I don't have a chance to read all these messages from low life (they don't know where they came from).China is still here and rise up,not being carved up and occupied into different territories because Chinese are proud people and not like you lots.In the end I am happy you are not consider yourself Chinese either.I hope your ancestor won't turn in their grave.

DaLiuMang
DaLiuMang

China uses"One country,two systems".So HK didn't change the political system.If HK changes it.It will cause lots of trouble.Chinese government doesn't want to see this.Because HK can help China a lot.And HK should play her big role in the world.In the other way,Chinese government wants to have the country's independence and integrity.He must take actions.You can't say "Socialisme is not good".Every coin has two sides.You should objective appraisal.You said"We value our human rights, our freedom of speech and our right to universal suffrage, values which are not upheld in mainland China"Yes,that's true.Western countries have a democratic work-style.But do you know what's is the despotism ?You can see North Korea.In China,you have core values and ideas,you can have human rights.You can also have the freedom of speech.Only if you don't want to against the government.If you against the capitalism in western countries.You will be in prison,too.Now,you know,you can't look down on the other social system.If this country develops well,and people there think they are comfortable.The country likes peace.That's enough.Social systems only have differences between fitness and unseemliness.

DaLiuMang
DaLiuMang

China uses"One country,two systems".So HK didn't change the political system.If HK changes it.It will cause lots of trouble.Chinese government doesn't want to see this.Because HK can help China a lot.And HK should play her big role in the world.In the other way,Chinese government wants to have the country's independence and integrity.He must take actions.You can't say "Socialisme is not good".Every coin has two sides.You should objective appraisal.You said"We value our human rights, our freedom of speech and our right to universal suffrage, values which are not upheld in mainland China"Yes,that's true.Western countries have a democratic work-style.But do you know what's is the despotism ?You can see North Korea.In China,you have core values and ideas,you can have human rights.You can also have the freedom of speech.Only if you don't want to against the government.If you against the capitalism in western countries.You will be in prison,too.Now,you know,you can't look down on the other social system.If this country develops well,and people there think they are comfortable.The country likes peace.That's enough.Social systems only have differences between fitness and unseemliness.

DaLiuMang
DaLiuMang

China uses"One country,two systems".So HK didn't change the political system.If HK changes it.It will cause lots of trouble.Chinese government doesn't want to see this.Because HK can help China a lot.And HK should play her big role in the world.In the other way,Chinese government wants to have the country's independence and integrity.He must take actions.You can't say "Socialisme is not good".Every coin has two sides.You should objective appraisal.You said"We value our human rights, our freedom of speech and our right to universal suffrage, values which are not upheld in mainland China"Yes,that's true.Western countries have a democratic work-style.But do you know what's is the despotism ?You can see North Korea.In China,you have core values and ideas,you can have human rights.You can also have the freedom of speech.Only if you don't want to against the government.If you against the capitalism in western countries.You will be in prison,too.Now,you know,you can't look down on the other social system.If this country develops well,and people there think they are comfortable.The country likes peace.That's enough.Social systems only have differences between fitness and unseemliness.

DaLiuMang
DaLiuMang

China uses"One country,two systems".So HK didn't change the political system.If HK changes it.It will cause lots of trouble.Chinese government doesn't want to see this.Because HK can help China a lot.And HK should play her big role in the world.In the other way,Chinese government wants to have the country's independence and integrity.He must take actions.You can't say "Socialisme is not good".Every coin has two sides.You should objective appraisal.You said"We value our human rights, our freedom of speech and our right to universal suffrage, values which are not upheld in mainland China"Yes,that's true.Western countries have a democratic work-style.But do you know what's is the despotism ?You can see North Korea.In China,you have core values and ideas,you can have human rights.You can also have the freedom of speech.Only if you don't want to against the government.If you against the capitalism in western countries.You will be in prison,too.Now,you know,you can't look down on the other social system.If this country develops well,and people there think they are comfortable.The country likes peace.That's enough.Social systems only have differences between fitness and unseemliness.

rory2012
rory2012

 What is Western value? Does it makes you born with no mother and don't know where you are coming from. Does the Western value make you become spineless?If you don't respect where you come from, don't expect people with western value respecting you.If you don't like the government,it's OK. Don't make it sound like Hong Kong is not part of China.

Giovanna_C
Giovanna_C

I think David is hired by the Chinese government...Cant think of other reason why he wrote so much non sense?!

RaKuZa
RaKuZa

Get your facts right before you spew out more nonsense. Investments from Hong Kong and Macau made up nearly 45% of foreign investment in China up until 2004, making us the LARGEST foreign investors from ashore. Meaning we directly contributed to your economy boom in China and if not for us you guys would still be eating mud. 

Are you stupid to believe the propaganda of the Chinese government in saying "Hong Kong needs to be saved by China"?

The tourism from china only contributed to 2% of the Hong Kong economy so stop acting like you guys are the saviour. In fact if not for Hong Kong all your babies would be dead from eating the melamine-tainted milk powder. You guys should be thankful to us to provide safe and genuine products to mainlanders, ranging from everyday products to luxury items.

As to the Chinese SOE investing and listing in Hong Kong, people with half a brain should know that they are doing it for their own benefit. They only list in Hong Kong to raise capitals, foreign investors have faith in the Hong Kong stock market but not the Shanghai one. Furthermore your companies set up their offices in Hong Kong to increase their reputations for oversea consumers since they trust HK and not China. Please do not bring the Chinese "fake" product culture into HK and taint our reputation. 

I suggest you do more readings before embarrassing yourself furthermore.

David Yu
David Yu

" If not for Hong Kong, China would have collapsed" You must be joking. It is otherway around, in 1998 and 2008, if not because China you guys will be beggers, you ungratefull monkies.

David Yu
David Yu

You have you crap speech freedom everyday. You think you guys know anything other than british slaves? No. You guys think you are whiter than Chinese? You are not caring about mainland Chinese but look down them. You guys call them "locust". Please do not pretend that you guys know and care Chinese politics system, please do not shout "humanright". You guys are just a bounch of hypocritics and ungratefull monkies.

Before 1997, could you choose your govt? Come on, who is your governer before 1997? Was he elected by you guys? Have you protected to your master for no election? You are just a bounch of running dogs.

Landopanda
Landopanda

I think David has an inferiority complex.

Landopanda
Landopanda

Ignore him Brother Leung.  I am proud that HK people have a voice and can march.  If I was in HK, I would have marched too.  David is just brainwashed and he doesn't even know it.  The whole Chinese government is corrupt and rotten with the policies in place to keep the people down and keep themselves rich.  Mainland people are unhappy too and if I'm sure they would give anything to have the right to protest like HK people do.

Wien Chung
Wien Chung

yea surely we have a low moral, and this is coming out from someone where college professor can openly insult others as dogs. Ironic huh? And notice how we argue with facts, and how you argue with emotion and opinions. You surely did a real good job on proving that you are standing at  the higher moral ground. 

FYI, we have our rights today because we protested and fought for ourselves during the British rule. Well maybe if you were smart enough to do some research yourself, you will know that we have more balls than you do. You call us dogs, yet you people continue to come to our land for better living, welfare and education etc. So does that mean that you are worthless even compare to dogs? If you want to make me believe that you mainland Chinese are better, why don't you stop coming to our dog pit? Or maybe you should just stop being a  retarded hypocrite and face the reality?

Landopanda
Landopanda

You keep ranting about how HK people set themselves apart from mainland Chinese, but you're the one here using the most divisive language.  You can' t even hold a mature, factual conversation, so no one is going to even take you seriously.  You're pretty much the example of why HK is fed up with the conduct of mainlanders in THEIR city.

RaKuZa
RaKuZa

Too bad the HK government (stringed by Beijing) involuntarily took money out of our pockets and placed them in the pockets of the corrupted officials. Read about the school the HK government built 2 years ago to help the kids in Sichuan but recently knocked down by local officials in order to DEVELOP PROPERTIES. The money was not even returned to HK.

RaKuZa
RaKuZa

Read my reply above in response to your nonsense

Landopanda
Landopanda

It's an actual known phenomenon that the Chinese government has paid microbloggers and bbs posters that are paid to post pro-Chinese government sentiment.  This might explain... or simply a brainwashed mainlander.

surelyyouarejoking
surelyyouarejoking

Dear David, 

I think there are really two sides of the story, and I understand from the main-lander's point of view, they are really a) spending lots of money in hong kong b) providing relatively cheap access to food and water c) well, I guess hong kong do have "our own" governor in some twisted sense. 

But from hong kong people's point of view, things are a bit different: a) with all the main-lander's money flowing into hong kong, most of the time, it benefits mostly the large chain stores, and "name brand" stores, while the small business don't really get to benefit much, and even if small business get to make more money, the rent has increased multiple folds now that a lot of time, even if the small business can make some more, they are unlikely to be able to pay their rent (which in the end goes to the top 1% of hong kong). In the meantime, the pricing of houses had doubled easily over a period of 10 years, which is something we love and hate at the same time. Poorer (or middle class) people cannot afford to buy their first homes anymore, while people who are rich (or rich enough) feel that their homes had increased in price (which is good). But for the majority of people in Hong Kong, they are not making money out of the increase in housing price, but rather they are forced to pay more to just find a home.  b) We do pay for the food and water, and I think we should be grateful for them. However, I think this is mostly business here, since we do pay for food coming from other countries (say chile, us, japan, canada) too and we don't need to ceed our rights to rule our own city to canada just because we buy their food, right? 

c) You are right, we didn't have our own governor, but we had one that we liked more than we like the current one. We both didn't have universal suffrage in both cases, but at least, if you look at the approval rating back then for Chris Pattern and the rating now for Leung, it seems like since we (normal citizens) don't get a choice anyway in neither case, we still like the Chris Pattern better. Why is that the case? Maybe it is because i) We were not expecting to be able to choose for our own, but we are expecting to have universal suffrage soon, even though it is not looking likely. ii) Maybe Chris Pattern is a much better politician in both charisma and actual performance as a governor?  

RaKuZa
RaKuZa

Get your facts right before you spew out more nonsense. Investments from Hong Kong and Macau made up nearly 45% of foreign investment in China up until 2004, making us the LARGEST foreign investors from ashore. Meaning we directly contributed to your economy boom in China and if not for us you guys would still be eating mud. 

Are you stupid to believe the propaganda of the Chinese government in saying "Hong Kong needs to be saved by China"?

The tourism from china only contributed to 2% of the Hong Kong economy so stop acting like you guys are the saviour. In fact if not for Hong Kong all your babies would be dead from eating the melamine-tainted milk powder. You guys should be thankful to us to provide safe and genuine products to mainlanders, ranging from everyday products to luxury items.

As to the Chinese SOE investing and listing in Hong Kong, people with half a brain should know that they are doing it for their own benefit. They only list in Hong Kong to raise capitals, foreign investors have faith in the Hong Kong stock market but not the Shanghai one. Furthermore your companies set up their offices in Hong Kong to increase their reputations for oversea consumers since they trust HK and not China. Please do not bring the Chinese "fake" product culture into HK and taint our reputation. 

I suggest you do more readings before embarrassing yourself furthermore.

RaKuZa
RaKuZa

Get your facts right before you spew out more nonsense. Investments from Hong Kong and Macau made up nearly 45% of foreign investment in China up until 2004, making us the LARGEST foreign investors from ashore. Meaning we directly contributed to your economy boom in China and if not for us you guys would still be eating mud. 

Source from :  http://www.china-profile.com/d...

Are you stupid to believe the propaganda of the Chinese government in saying "Hong Kong needs to be saved by China"?

The tourism from china only contributed to 2% of the Hong Kong economy ( http://www.hketosydney.gov.hk/... so stop acting like you guys are the saviour. In fact if not for Hong Kong all your babies would be dead from eating the melamine-tainted milk powder. You guys should be thankful to us to provide safe and genuine products to mainlanders, ranging from everyday products to luxury items.

As to the Chinese SOE investing and listing in Hong Kong, people with half a brain should know that they are doing it for their own benefit. They only list in Hong Kong to raise capitals, foreign investors have faith in the Hong Kong stock market but not the Shanghai one. Furthermore your companies set up their offices in Hong Kong to increase their reputations for oversea consumers since they trust HK and not China. Please do not bring the Chinese "fake" product culture into HK and taint our reputation. 

I suggest you do more readings before embarrassing yourself furthermore.

RaKuZa
RaKuZa

Get your facts right before you spew out more crap. Investments from Hong Kong and Macau made up nearly 45% of foreign investment in China up until 2004, making us the LARGEST foreign investors from ashore. Meaning we directly contributed to your economy boom in China and if not for us you guys would still be eating mud.

Source from : 

http://www.china-profile.com/d...

Are you stupid to believe the propaganda of the Chinese government in saying "Hong Kong needs to be saved by China"?

The tourism from china only contributed to 2% of the Hong Kong economy (

http://www.hketosydney.gov.hk/... so stop acting like you guys are the saviour. In fact if not for Hong Kong all your babies would be dead from eating the melamine-tainted milk powder. You guys should be thankful to us to provide safe and genuine products to mainlanders, ranging from everyday products to luxury items.

As to the Chinese SOE investing and listing in Hong Kong, people with half a brain should know that they are doing it for their own benefit. They only list in Hong Kong to raise capitals, foreign investors have faith in the Hong Kong stock market but not the Shanghai one. Furthermore your companies set up their offices in Hong Kong to increase their reputations for oversea consumers since they trust HK and not China. Please do not bring the Chinese "fake" product culture into HK and taint our reputation. 

I suggest you do more readings before embarrassing yourself furthermore.

RaKuZa
RaKuZa

Objectively speaking HK was better off staying under the British sovereignty than in Chinas.  All that has happened during 1997 is the transformation of HK from a British colony to a Commie colony. In both we were not masters of our own place, either the British controlled us or Beijing. Obviously by 1997 the British gave us more freedom than Beijing in 2012. What a shame. I wish the British would just return us to the Republic of China (the real China) and we would be enjoying democracy now. We were not given democracy by the British because we were "slaves" as you called it. But how about now? Isn't HK  "returned to the motherland" and being protected by our "own" people? Why are we not given democracy? Or are we the Chinese slaves now instead of the British's? 

Funny how you said we "looked down" on the mainlanders. During the reign of MAO and the "great leap forward", millions of Chinese died due to the great famine. Hundreds of thousands of Chinese flooded across the border to HK, we provided them with shelter and food and grant them the status to work and live in HK despite HK being poor at the time. During the 1980's a lot of HK businesses shut down because the manufacturing units were moved to the mainland to provide you guys with jobs. Now the mainlanders in HK act as if they own the place, bossing us around, despising us because we do not speak Mandarin. Who are the ungrateful monkies here?

I am glad you brought up the "locust" issue. You should not blame the HKers for calling some mainlanders "locust" because they really are, you should instead condemn the actions of those individuals. They come to HK, contributed to nothing and  they take our benefits. Pregnant women hiding in HK rushing to the hospitals when they are in labour and they don't even bother paying the bills. In return we have to pay for all their medical care and education for their kids while the parents apply for more benefits. These actions should be condemned as they are stripping HKer off the benefits they deserved. The local mothers do not even have bed spaces to give birth due to the overwhelming numbers of illegal mainland mothers present. Furthermore mainlanders BOUGHT OUT all the milk powders in HK (due to the presence of poisonous milk powder in China) and leaving the HK babies without milk powders.

Perhaps you could do some self-reflections. Why do a lot of the Chinese cause problems where-ever in the world they go? How did they change the mentality of the HKers? From Chinese-loving in the 1950-1990 to Chinese-hating now?