Will Iran’s Third-World Jamboree Hasten an Israeli Attack? Probably Not

Why the uproar among some in the U.S. and Israel over Iran's hosting of the Non-Aligned Movement summit is sound and fury, signifying little

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Damaged cars that three Iranian scientists were riding in when they were killed in bombings over the last three years are displayed outside a conference hall hosting the meeting of Non-Aligned Movement, in Tehran, Iran, Aug. 26, 2012. Iran says the attacks against its scientists are part of a covert campaign by Israel and the West to sabotage its nuclear program, which the U.S. and its allies suspect is aimed at producing nuclear weapons.

The drums of war have pounded all summer in the Israeli media, although their rhythm is increasingly discordant given the near unanimous opposition reported among Israel’s military and security leadership to a unilateral strike. The very public nature of that push-back from Israel’s security establishment may have damaged the reputations of Netanyahu and Barak, with a steady stream of Israel’s most respected former security chiefs making media statements questioning their judgement, motivations, strategic competence and even sanity. Gen. Uri Sagi, who served as head of military intelligence under Barak, last week offered some distinctly unflattering assessments of the personalities of his former boss and the prime minister, and questioned “whether Israel can rely on the judgement and mental stability of its current leaders to guide it in time of war.” Such jibes have fueled a furious backlash from other quarters insisting that political leaders, not generals, will make the decisions — but that has hardly stopped the steady stream of statements questioning the war talk by the political leadership.

Another former Clinton Administration official, Mideast negotiator Aaron David Miller, concurs that Israel won’t take military action before November. “For the time being,” he writes, “it’s far less risky to maintain the status quo. Sanctions are tough and may get tougher, cyber and covert war have had some effect, and the unraveling situation in Syria… has isolated Tehran even further. Meanwhile, the Israelis can keep the world focused on their agenda and on the edge of their collective chairs, worried about a military strike and perhaps willing to do even more to hammer the Iranians.”

(MORE: Deadlocked, Iran and Western Nuclear Negotiators Agree Only to Keep Talking)

The Obama Administration continues to urge restraint, and has certainly escalated its sanctions pressure on Iran in part to placate the Israelis by assuring them that there’s a viable alternative path to stopping Iran attaining nuclear weapons. The President has also offered public assurance that the U.S. will take military action if Iran moves to build a nuclear weapon — which, of course, it is not currently doing, despite steadily accumulating the means to build a bomb, with its ever-expanding capacity to enrich uranium shortening the time-frame that would be required. The IAEA is expected to report later this week that Iran has installed hundreds more centrifuges in its reinforced plant at Fordow, built deep in a mountainside near Qom, thereby considerably expanding its capacity to produce nuclear fuel beyond the reach of Israeli bombs — news that will, no doubt, fuel another round of saber-rattling.

Still, the Administration — and, indeed, Israel’s security establishment — argue that there’s still time for sanctions and diplomacy to avert a crisis. But with little sign that the sanctions, painful as their impact has been on Iran’s economy, are changing Iran’s nuclear calculations; and the existing negotiation process essentially stalled, there’s little sign that either current negotiations or current sanctions are going to change the game any time soon.

That’s why President Obama — and, indeed, Gov. Mitt Romney — got some sobering advice from former Undersecretary of State Nicholas Burns, who had led the Bush Administration’s efforts to deal with Iran.

(MORE: Long-Term Uncertainty Remains in Nuclear Talks with Iran)

“The negotiating channel we have tried for six years now — a multilateral with the United States as one of six countries under European Union leadership — has produced no results and tied the hands of American negotiators,” Burns warned. That made it urgent, he argued, for the U.S. to “begin an extended one-on-one negotiation with all issues on the table. The United States should aim for the sustained and substantive talks it has not had in the three decades since American diplomats were taken hostage in Iran… To attack a country before we have had our first meaningful discussions since 1979 would be shortsighted, to say the least.”

Mindful of the politics of the current standoff, Burns also recommended that Washington “take the reins of this crisis from Israel to give us more independence and protect Israel’s core interests at the same time… We should reaffirm our determination to protect Israel’s security. But the United States, not Israel, must lead on Iran during the next year. It is not in America’s interests to remain hostage to Prime Minister Netanyahu’s increasingly swift timetable for action. We need the freedom to explore negotiations with Iran on our own slower timeline before we consider force.”

Snatching back the Iran file from an Israeli leadership that insists on Israel’s independence in making the key decisions over its security, however, is far easier said than done at the best of times. It may be politically impossible before November.

MORE: For Israel, the Problem with Iran Diplomacy Is the Prospect of Nuclear Compromise

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Rachel
Rachel

Typical trash from the liberal trash.  Not only is the article a disgrace...these so called "journalists" don't even have enough respect for their own work to proofread the gd thing!  What a DISGRACE in thought and word.

Florenco DiFirenze
Florenco DiFirenze

French president Nicholas Sarkozy was overheard saying to US president Barack Obama, "I cannot bear Netanyahu, he's a liar". To this Obama reportedly responded, "You're fed up with him, but I have to deal with him every day."

Iran hasn't attacked another country in 300-500 years, depending on who you ask. When has the US and Israel not been in a war? -- those silly warmongers!

Rachel
Rachel

Which goes to prove that both Sarkozy and Obama are two idiots.  Who else not only constantly threatens annihilation of another country, but is building the weapon of mass destruction to DO it?  IRAN, you moron.

Ron Lester Whyte
Ron Lester Whyte

Pride comes before a fall...sad and disgusting that this trash is what passes as news. How could an article with such a headline even get published? This is really quite shocking.

CarstenDo
CarstenDo

@Ron Lester Whyte hi Ron how are you

Fabbz
Fabbz

the majority of the countries in the non-aligned movenent ARE third world countries. its funny how the politically-correct, deluded, sanctimonious Left takes offense at things.

saman123
saman123

hi brothers

usa and Israel lie to the world about iran

Iran is an Islamic country and love avery country

Israel kill people in palestin  and usa help them

andalib
andalib

Tony Guy, i think you are on of those who believe in "you are either with us or against us" doctrine. most of these 120 countries  are categorized as so-called third-world because of continuous historical colonization,exploitation and manipulation by your favorite first-world countries. 

Akiel Nomad
Akiel Nomad

those who print and circulate news have yet not understood that in today's world of communication and open flow of information how easy it has become to seek the truth and to actually find it.  you all have been beaten at your own game. 

at one time the ''masses'' had to bring there voice on the streets to bring about change. welcome to e.revolution. 

Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make ye free -  Prophet Jesus

db49
db49

As long as everyone is still talking, and not acting like spoiled children, then there is a chance this next disaster can be averted. Sabre-rattling, chest-thumping, and all that nonsense, is still better than shooting each other.

Chhajuram Induscharwak
Chhajuram Induscharwak

NAM summit in Iran is bound to create some hurdle for Israel backed by USA. Iran has got an opportunity to clean his image by providing opposition an opportunity to protest before 3rd world otherwise it has nothing to achieve.  

garreth33
garreth33

It is better if Iran is engaged in the world community. Some of the nations attending this conference are our allies. Engagement develops responsibility and understanding. There needs to be an outlet for civil discourse. There are much worse ways to make a statement.

Israel is not happy, but will never be. We have to decide when to stop jeopardizing our society for the sake of Israel.

Rachel
Rachel

Civil discourse???  From Iran?  Good grief, is that supposed to be a JOKE?

drorbenami
drorbenami

you know tony baloney, you are  even more sick then i thought...

every major news organization has written a story about 300 Syrians being executed in one day and the only thing you can write about is israel's efforts to block people from attending some stupid conference in iran....

Ahra Ah
Ahra Ah

the situation in syria is surely bad but israel has had its share of massacring innocent women and children ! would you like a list ? but then again it would be tagged to be reviewed immediately with  a little help from your friends ! 

drorbenami
drorbenami

 listen....i went through another 10 names and it's the same as before.....these are military engagements, told from the lebanese perspective...by the way there is an even more complete list of "Israeli massacres" in google.

Regardless, this is the problem as I see it.

You seem to feel the lebanese are wonderful and innocent people who were invaded by israel. in 1982 i spent the summer in the golan heights..every day I would see rockets coming into the israeli town of kiryat shemnah from lebenaon...barrages could last for 30 minutes and it sounded like a thunder storm. in addition..in 1983/4 I was in lebanon myself with the israeli army....so I am not reading about these things in TIME Magazine like you are. Perhaps you remember the 241 american peacekeepers who were blown up up "the friendly" lebanese people ???

What I see Ahra Ah is that if americans kill millions of civilians ( a doucument fact) you really couldn't care less, if lelbanese killed a hundred thousand of their own people in a civil war ( a documented fact) you couldn't care less, if Jordan kills ten thousand plus Palestinians in one month and another ten thousand in the next 12 months during "Black September" you couldn't care less...

The ONLY thing that bothers you is that Israel has killed several thousand Palestinians and Lebanese over a period of 30 years...because if you add up ALL of the massacres you provided the total, even with sabra and shatilla (a lebanese action) is less than 5,000

In the last 12 months in syria alone 20,000 have been killed....

In conclusion: arabs killing arabs in the tens of thousands if fine

Jews killing a single arab is a war crime !!!

Ahra Ah
Ahra Ah

you are the one who is killing the innocent women and children! you are the ones who assassinate people on foreign land using fake british passports ! you are the ones with mossad agents dancing and cheering and filming the collapse of wtc and then arrested by new jersey  sherriff ! you are the ones attacking other countries !

an i am sick who seek peace ? 

americans are waking up and realising the high price they are paying for supporting israel due to their corrupt political system , once their support is withdrawn you´ll be running like hell. 

come on man, don´t make a fool of yourself,at least not in public !

drorbenami
drorbenami

If you are not a Muslim then I apologize; you are not stupid, you are sick.....

Ahra Ah
Ahra Ah

your country ? the problem is that you do not seem to understand and appreciate the fact that people do not have to reveal their personal info to others and you are not as i said before the police , yet ! i would certainly be ashamed of being israeli though!  

americans massacred millions ? therefore israel can do the same ? uk massacred hundreds of thousands so israel can follow the same path ? who is the idot now ?

i am not a muslim, simply because pervert mohammed effectively raped a 9 year old girl called ayesha ! but that is not any of your business anyway !

the fact remains that you are massacring innocent people and get away with it because of your financial power ! 

you may have won noble prizes but you are being subjected to hatred all over the world , your constant claim of anti Semitism is for what? it is because of your murderous and savage acts all over the world ! to the extent that even decent israeli´s are demonstrating in the streets ! 

finally i tried to be polite but once you lose the plot start to use obscenities ! 

you are the imbecile who does not get it . your acts of killing people will only justify nazi´s barbaric massacre of innocent jews .

drorbenami
drorbenami

Sorry Ahra ah, but I can't continue a conversation with someone who attacks my country, but who is too ashamed to identify his own....

Americans have killed and murdered millions of civilians and I am sure they could not care less about Israel killing Palestinians . Every year 15,000 Americans are murdered by their fellow citizens.

I answered all your questions, unfortunately you have proven yourself to be an idiot. This is the reason Muslims hardly ever win Nobel prizes or produce any technology which people would want to buy.....you are a primitive person who believes anything you read in the newspapers......

Ahra Ah
Ahra Ah

don´t play your typical dirty tactics here. show respect for the forum ! it is not any of your business what my nationality is and should make no difference and you are not the nationality police , i hope we don´t have that yet !

you don´t seem to get it, crime is crime no matter by whom it is committed ! is that clear ? or you still want to play the defensive game ?

your military and the stupid leaders are massacring innocent women and children , you know that but choose to not only close your but to support it. one thing i can promise you and thats when usa´s financial support for israel dries up , when americans realise they are being cheated and are paying a high cost for israel , you will have to give up your murderous acts .  

drorbenami
drorbenami

ahra ah....i asked you twice to say what country you come from...if you are too ashamedof your nationality or afraid you will be arrested for communicating with a jew, then just say so....

as i said before....what is very clear from your comments is the only war crimes you are concerned about are jewish war crimes.....you will ignore tens of thousands of syrian murders, just to prosecute the murder of 12 arabs in jibsheet.....but you are unwilling to take the time to prove they were even murdered....all you have time to do is cut and paste ridiculous stories about 9/11....

Ahra Ah
Ahra Ah

you really expected a court in israel to convict sharon ? really? you can not be that naive .

as much as i hate asad´s regime in syria , however , its up to the people of syria to sort this mess out not the us nor the uk , certainly not israel! 

by the way what happened to libya ? i´ve heard they are all living in peace and prosperity ! haven´t you? 

every nation that does not play ball with imf and the world bank will have to go , every politician with negative view of the system must go and that includes europe and usa ! 

the fight is over control . control of financial assets and food.i highly recommend the book "seeds of destruction" by william engdhal , it is an eye openerbut, then again you may not want that! 

Ahra Ah
Ahra Ah

poor wording in the law ? thats a new one ! 

lets talk about law if thats your interest ! israel has ignored over 250 united nations resolutions since its inception , the very institute that recognised israel as a state ! that is definitely rule of law.

so the basis of your "logical" argument is that if other nations have committed crimes in other parts of the world then it should be fine and accepted that israel have the right to do the same ! 

no my friend , this is reverse logic from someone who regardless of human sufferings still insists on supporting israel´s atrocities.   

Ahra Ah
Ahra Ah

lets look in the british papers today ! 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worl...

go to the link and you´ll see public participation is not allowed again ! every trivial news can be commented on but the israeli sensitive ones! who are they protecting ? what are they afraid of ? 

let me make one thing clear, i do not care who commits the atrocities , crime is crime ! the british have had their share of violence and its deplorable but that does not issue a licence to massacre to israel. 

israel´s involvement in red flags has been well established, 9/11 and 7/7 in london have both mossad´s fingerprints all over them. you know that but still chose to close your eyes. 

what i say is simple, there is no need for violence we can all live in peace provided the corrupt politicians are not allowed to use and abuse us like sheep.    

drorbenami
drorbenami

What country do you come from? When you say the English, do you mean the people who illegally invaded and occupied Iraq??? Those English ???

You know the blockade that resulted in the deaths of those 500,000 children was partially enforced by the British air force and navy, don't you???

Look in the British papers about the fire bombing of hamburg and Dresden ....

How old are you, twelve???

drorbenami
drorbenami

Israeli leaders only have a problem in England and that's because of poor wording in the law.

Do you know that in 1963 the French police arrest 200 or more Arab peace demonstrators, murdered them all and threw their bodies into the Seine River. There was no investigation, no one was charged and no one in England has ever called for their arrest.

In addition, right now in England Mau Maus from Kenya are begging that the English open investigations into the concentration camps they operated in Kenya. There people were murdered, tortured and sexually abused by British officers. This is fifty years after the events....BUT English intellectuals wanted to arrest arik Sharon ,.....

drorbenami
drorbenami

Be serious Ahra,

In Syria they are cutting the throats of sleeping children, idon't see you calling for them to be arrested.

There is a difference between left wing radicals in England calling for your arrest and being convicted as a war criminal.

Arik Sharon was found guilty by an Israeli commission of inquiry for not taking precautions to protect the Palestinians. In other words: he knew Arabs were murderers and he should have known better than to let an Arab military force enter the camps. He was never convicted of planning the massacre, he was convicted of negligence.

Furthermore, the L evanescence government didn't even bother to hold an investigation. TIME magazine reported that the Lebanese had just come through a civil war where over 100,000 of its own citizens were killed and massacred and nobody could care less about what happened to 3,000 Palestinians.

finally, not one Lebanese officer was ever brought to trial and the commander of the roman Catholics who actually murdered the Palestinians because head of security for the Syrian army in Lebanon.

Ahra Ah
Ahra Ah

no , i see israeli military complex , armed with the latest weapons is killing and destroying a nation ! i see that and i hate that. in other parts of the world this would be regarded as crimes against the humanity but of course israel gets a special and different treatment because of its powerful lobby in the us and uk ! 

i suggest you go through the bitish papers such as the telegraph and independent or guardian, if you find an article about israel , that is if ! you´ll see that there is no comment section ! if there is a comment section ,any negative comment towards israel is "monitored " or deleted and if you persevere thy´ll just stop you from commenting altogether!! the message ? i am sure you are intelligent enough to work it out!

Ahra Ah
Ahra Ah

unfortunately i do not have the kind of free time that you seem to have the privilege of ! but i´ll try to answer all your responses in one comment and again try to be clear . i hate crime against the humanity , i hate violence no matter where and against which race or religion. israel is responsible for massacre of palistinians  and as i am sure you know ariel sharon was about to be arrested in the uk for the crimes , remember ?israeli political leaders have a big headache visiting europe for the same reason! 

however, you clearly want to and need to blindly support israel regardless of their atrocities and i do not see myself arguing with someone who is prepared to close his eyes on savagery . if one is happy to refuse to accept well documented events then there is hardly any room for debate. 

drorbenami
drorbenami

  okay, I

have started to go through the list and , first of all, these are not

"massacres"......very few people were killed and it was part of a

military engagement....jibsheet massacre: we are talking about 7

dead....there is no israeli article i can find

sohmor massacre 13  dead

seer al garbiah massacre 7 dead

maraaraka massacre 15 dead

zrariah massacre 22 dead

they are described as miltary operations, but they don't specify if the soldiers were israeli or lebanese..

more important than this: in 2003 the PLO declared "a massacre" had

been committed in jenin....all the newspapers in london quoted Said Erekat as saying 500 people had been killed.

the U.N. sent a special team to investigate: result: it was a gun

battle with 36 israeli soldiers killed and 50 palestinians

killed...there was no massacre....

the only reports I can find on these massacres are lebanese reports, i

am not saying people weren't killed, but I would like to know : why

they were killed? why did the israeli army enter this particular town?

was any one shooting at them when they entered?

Also: what country do you come from Ahra Ah ?

i will go slowly through the list and comment on each one....

drorbenami
drorbenami

No one will tag it....please, send me the list.....I would like to see it......

Just remember that the jews started returning to what is now known as Israel in 1870 with the full cooperation and support of the Ottoman empire.

Since then, including Jew s, palestians Egyptians or whoever, the entire Israeli/Palestinian conflict has resulted in the deaths of about 100,000 people.

The USA killed 150 ,ooo people in less than fifteen minutes at Hiroshima and Nagasaki ......

drorbenami
drorbenami

Okay, I will go through it for you......by the way we have our own list of massacres carried out by arabs, but in the meantime I will check your list.....

I can tell you for sure, however, that sabra and shatilla was carried out by Lebanese roman Catholics ....they entered the camps and executed the people....the Israeli army surrounded the camp but did not enter.....

Ahra Ah
Ahra Ah

would you say that is enough ?

Ahra Ah
Ahra Ah

Sabra And Shatila Massacre Jibsheet Massacre Sohmor Massacre Seer Al Garbiah Maaraka Massacres Zrariah Massacre Homeen Al-Tahta Massacre Jibaa Massacre Yohmor Massacre Tiri massacre Al-Naher Al-Bared Massacre Ain Al-Hillwee Massacre OYON QARA MASSACRE Siddiqine Massacre AL-AQSA MOSQUE MASSACRE THE IBRAHIMI MOSQUE MASSACRE THE JABALIA MASSACRE Aramta Massacre ERETZ CHECKPOINT MASSACRE Deir Al-Zahrani Massacre Nabatiyeh (school bus)  Massacre Mnsuriah Massacre The Sohmor Second Massacre Nabatyaih Massacre Qana Massacre Trqumia Massacr Janta Massacre 24 Of June 1999 Massacres  Western Bekaa villages Massacre

the list was deleted within minutes from the independent ,guardian and telegraph !

usa has killed many , i know but ,does that justify more massacre ? not very logical , is it ?

NextPrez
NextPrez

Time Magazine's headline is too "Imperialistic"

La6Red9Nec
La6Red9Nec

Mr. Karon forget about 3rd world Jamboree, let's talk about the state of Americans!!!!

It's a sad day the American blood has become so cheap that Isreali bulldozers can kill a young American woman, Rachel Corrie, in broad daylight and get away with it without even a peep from our elected(more like selected by AIPAC) officials!!!!!

Shame on the US media and US politicians for making American lives as cheap as 3rd world jamboree lives!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AmeriAfrican
AmeriAfrican

Tony Karon is just another disgruntled racist Afrikaner from South Africa. What a hater

JohnWV
JohnWV

Please gentle moderator, this needs to be said. 

Would

a Jewish protester behaving as did Rachael Corrie have been crushed?

This excerpt from Times of India, June 18, 2012, suggests not.

RABBI OVADIA Rabbi Ovadia Yosef is the former Chief Rabbi of

Israel and the spiritual leader of the Shas party Israels “kingmaker”

party . In a sermon given on Saturday on laws concerning what

non-Jews are permitted to do on Shabbat, Yosef said: "Goyim

[non-Jews] were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no

place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel. Why are

gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We

will sit like an effendi and eat." According to Yosef, death has

"no dominion" over non-Jews in Israel. "With gentiles,

it will be like any person - they need to die, but [God] will give

them longevity. Why? Imagine that one’s donkey would die, they’d

lose their money. This is his servant... That’s why he gets a long

life, to work well for this Jew.” MENACHEM BEGIN "Our

race is the Master Race. We Jews are divine gods on this planet. We

are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In

fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals,

cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our

destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will

be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our

feet and serve us as our slaves."

throwthediscus
throwthediscus

Obviously Israel is trying to influence the elections in the US

with their constant talk about the threat of Iran.

GnarGnarBinks
GnarGnarBinks

Tony, was it you or your lazy editor who came up with the "Third-World Jamboree" tagline? 

Iran is a First-World country.

Ahra Ah
Ahra Ah

is it ? really ? last time i visited iran it certainly didn´t look like it except the high rises !

GnarGnarBinks
GnarGnarBinks

First/Second/Third world has nothing to do with a country's wealth. It refers to a country's  alignment during the Cold War. 

First World - allies with US

Second World - allies with China and Soviet Union

Third World - Neutral or no alliance.

Switzerland is technically a Third-World country.

GnarGnarBinks
GnarGnarBinks

@Ahra Ah - Yes, the definition is clear because I just gave it to you. The Cold War is over in case you missed that part.

Ahra Ah
Ahra Ah

well, you can play with words as long as you want but,the definition of the third world is clear ! 

and your logic behind iran being a first world ? allied with us ? and the us as an ally intends to bomb iran to nothingness with a little help from israel of course,who else ?

do you make sense ?