Worried About Israel Bombing Iran Before November? You Can Relax

By demanding a U.S. statement of 'red lines' in exchange for Israeli restraint, Netanyahu appears to be seeking a retreat from an untenable position

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Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu attends the weekly cabinet meeting at his offices on September 2, 2012 in Jerusalem, Israel

That message seemed to resonate with reports that the Pentagon was scaling back U.S. participation in a joint military exercise in Israel next month. Thus the emerging narrative, according to some Israeli analysts, of a political leadership whose insistence on launching a war of choice has cost it the confidence of its own security chiefs, its president (and possibly its public), and also of its most important strategic ally. That’s not a comfortable position for any Israeli political leader, and Barak appears to have backtracked even before any new “red line” statement from Obama. Not known for the consistency of his statements — he earned the nickname “Mr. Zigzag” during his tenure as Prime Minister  –  the Israeli Defense Minister who just weeks ago was painting himself as “the decision maker” on the verge of scrambling the jets, is now reportedly opposed to bombing Iran before the U.S. election.

Netanyahu appears to be holding out for a declaration of U.S. red lines. The New York Times reports that the Obama administration is currently debating options to placate the Israelis, even if by rhetorically repackaging a number of existing plans for military exercises and tighter sanctions. The Israeli prime minister plans to attend the U.N. General Assembly session in New York later this month, where he is expected to meet with President Obama on the sidelines.

The Israeli prime minister’s supporters will paint whatever statements and gestures emerge from the White House as a victory for his strategy of relentless saber-rattling. Netanyahu’s problem, though, is that Obama’s red line — preventing the Iranians from acquiring a nuclear weapon — is not the same as the Israeli red line, which insists that Iran can’t be allowed to maintain the nuclear infrastructure that it already has, even though that infrastructure falls within the limits of what is permissible for NPT signatories, because it can be repurposed to create weapons-grade materiel. And as last week’s IAEA report confirmed, Iran is gliding past Israeli red lines while carefully avoiding approaching U.S. limits.

(MORE: Will Iran’s Third-World Jamboree Hasten an Israeli Attack? Probably Not)

The U.N. agency reported that Iran had doubled the centrifuge capacity at its underground Fordow plant which the Israelis complain makes that capacity immune to their air power. Those centrifuges, now numbering 2,000 with the target of 3,000 to be reached later this year, are not yet spinning, and remain under IAEA scrutiny. While they expand Iran’s capacity to produce 20% enriched uranium, the top concern of Western powers because of the reduced time-frame for converting it to weapons-grade material, Iran has also converted a substantial proportion of its stockpile of that material into fuel plates that would be useless in any dash to weaponization. That appears to reflect care to avoid moving towards Washington’s red lines, despite failing to comply with its IAEA and UN Security Council obligations.

But it could also reveal something about the nature of Iran’s program: Many analysts have long suspected that Iran’s goal is not to build a nuclear weapon at this stage, but to achieve the sort of breakout capacity enjoyed by countries such as Japan, which remains within the terms of the Non Proliferation Treaty but has put nuclear weapons within easy reach should the government deem it necessary for reasons of national security to build them. That’s an outcome the Israelis strenuously reject, and Western powers won’t easily accept while Iran remains non-compliant with its NPT obligations. If Tehran was willing to cooperate with the IAEA and accept enhanced guarantees against weaponization, however, the Western consensus may begin to shift.

For now, the U.S. looks likely to persuade Israel to sit on its hands while sanctions and other pressures on Iran mount. Indications thus far, however, are that even if those measures succeed in pressing Iran to compromise, such compromise as are offered are unlikely to involve the capitulation on the issue of uranium enrichment that the Israelis demand.  So, even if a war before November is looking increasingly unlikely, it’s probably a safe bet that war talk will be revved up again come spring.

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purnellmeagre
purnellmeagre

Has anyone considered that Barack Obama is actually not a Muslim at all, but rather a Jew. His first name is the same as the Israeli Defense Minister's (with an extra "c".

Tito Zuluaga
Tito Zuluaga

if the Republicans really want to help Israel why not

 create a Volunteer Force

They can throw a big Party and raise funds and create a Volunteer Force just like in the Spanish Civil War ..

   but Please don't drag the USA -- were broke !

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multilis
multilis

World peace make easy, as you will see we already have the means but not the will, big oil and the military establishment resist as means they will sell less oil and weapons.   Middle east peace is even cheaper.

Using all that surplus depleted uranium and plutonium, build a simplified 5 stage 100 gigatonne nuclear bomb.   Simplified because it uses the pressures deep in ocean rather than explosives for the initial implosion of the first stage.  Go above spreading ridge in middle of ocean, drop bomb, and wait.  Soon there will be no more war or famine or human diseases.

For peace in a region of middle east you only need a few hundred megaton bomb.  You may still have to drop into sea, so less of the explosion is wasted by going into outer space.

And they all died happily ever after.

The end.

multilis
multilis

If your solution has a bunch of groups 50 years from now which are still mad at each other and with advances in technology can all build nukes or just as nasty biological weapons, is your solution really that much better than mine?

drdov
drdov

Israel is a tiny country just 8 miles wide

I think about a hundred Israels can fit in iran

Believe me, Israel's ain't doing anything

aeskylos
aeskylos

What, no war. What is this world coming to? Dirty rotten peace mongers.

Mr Smith
Mr Smith

The US and Israel are on the same page. Anything to the contrary is a Red Herring. There will be US support for an attack, but it will be limited to military defense infrastructure and nuclear facilities.

The Obama administration is letting Israel take the lead in beating the war drums. The Israeli government is engaged in a psychological game of Chinese Water Torture aimed at ratcheting up the rhetoric on both sides.

The risk in attacking Iran has nothing to do with the attack itself. Obama understands that sanctions are unlikely to move the current regime to the bargaining table.

The tighter sanctions against Iran are designed to impair, degrade and slow their ability to repair their physical infrastructure post attack.

 The longer the sanctions are in place, the more degraded and weakened Iran will be on the day of the attack. A substantially weakened infrastructure is central to degrading Iran’s ability to project retaliation against their gulf neighbors in the weeks and months that follow.

sscarzz
sscarzz

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Divest Campaign
Divest Campaign

Obama could just announce to the world that US arms cannot be used for an illegal war, or all military aid to Israel will stop.

Oops, I forgot that he will be impeached if he tries to pull that off, because the US Congre$$, bless their hearts, are in the back pocket of AIPAC.

I guess we citizens are on our own, since our so-called "leaders" are bought and paid for. One way that we as individual citizens can make our voices heard (forget writing to your member of Congre$$ on this issue) is for all of us to pledge to BOYCOTT ISRAEL IF IT ATTACKS IRAN. Please sign the pledge at

http://www.divestfomwar.org

and spread the world. Let us (nonviolently) increase the cost to Israel of starting Middle East War III. Maybe we can help to avert one this time, instead of just protesting it after the fact.

iansamry
iansamry

Israel hasn't struck Iran because it has no long range strategic bombing capabilities. Its air force is designed to defend its airspace and dominate a small radius outside its territory in the event of a 1960's/70's style war with its Arab neighbors. Maybe the Israeli's could carry out a small raid against a single site, like the did in Iraq but only the US has the ability for a sustained bombing campaign.

Mr Smith
Mr Smith

The US and Israel are on the same page. Anything to the contrary is a Red Herring. There will be US support for an attack, but it will be limited to military defense infrastructure and nuclear facilities.

The administration’s is letting Israel take the lead in beating the war drums. The Israeli government is engaged in a psychological game of Chinese Water Torture aimed at ratcheting up the rhetoric on both sides.

The risk in attacking Iran has nothing to do with the attack itself. Obama understands that sanctions are unlikely to move the current regime to the bargaining table. The tighter sanctions against Iran are designed to impair, degrade and slow their ability to repair their physical infrastructure post attack. The longer the sanctions are in place, the more degraded and weakened Iran will be on the day of the attack. A substantially weakened infrastructure is central to degrading Iran’s ability to project retaliation against their gulf neighbors in the weeks and months that follow.

Gary McCray
Gary McCray

Been saying that for 6 months.

Israel wants whichever President is going to be around after the election to be able to be in it from the start.

I have no doubt at all that the only reason Israel hasn't blasted Fordo into a large crater is that they are waiting till after our election.

But then, things will seriously change no matter who is elected.

It shows remarkable restraint and the regard they have for US support that they have waited so long.

daddydelight
daddydelight

These are a bunch of spoiled brats that do not know right from wrong.  First let's start from the beginning.  When the United Nations established the State of Israel and took land form Palestine to established this state there was no compensation. This was after the Holocaust and as humans we had sympathy for the Jewish people ( Jew , Jewish is a religion not a ethnicity )  So the United Nations took it upon itself to go and take land from what they thought were just poor , illiterate people ( before oil wealth) and give it to the Jewish people. 

" Fine " But to the Jew's that was not enough of our sympathy , they may have well have slapped us in our face to let us know that was not enough. They started to seize land that they left hundred of years ago for whatever reason  and started to claim it was there land.  Instead of being humble or even grateful for this gift that they received they started to expand out as a Zionist State and piss off everyone around them.  Imagine if a religious group  wanted to establish another Vatican in the middle of your State Capital and then started to expand out and letting you know it was theirs. 

Imagine also if the State of Israel was not established. I wonder if we as Americans would be in the middle of of a confrontation with the Middle East. 

Fight your own war , we have lost to many of our men and women over your selfishness. 

As American Jews need to ask themselves are they American or Jews first. 

MACV
MACV

Israel won't bomb Iran because THEY CAN'T !  First it would be a ONE-WAY TRIP and a suicide mission. Does anyone remember the Soviet Missile batteries and radar system Iran bought? Do you really think America, China and Russia will allow Israel to start World War III ?  Do you remember the U.S.S. Liberty? Do you remember Johnathan Pollard? Do you think Israel could survive?

Their citizens are not fools nor are they suicidal.  Secondly, this stupid claim that Iran wants to destroy Israel is based on a mis-translation of a single sentence by Ahmadinejad in 2005. How long are Israelis going to drag this myth out. The comment was directed at the current regiem in Israel, not its people! Further we can't tell another nation, particularly one we have labeled a member of the Axis-of-Evil and invaded their neighbor how to protect their citizens. If Israel has a nuke then Iran should have one. After all, Iran did not pass nuclear technology to Apartheid South Africa, Israel did! I suggest you Google "Vela Incident". Israel won't even let in the IAEA inspectors. It's estimated that they have well over 100 nukes and tells the UN and Red Cross to Go To Hell. Israel is a criminal regime, not in the least interested in peace.

Gary McCray
Gary McCray

Israel is perfectly capable of starting World War III anytime they want, but, of course they want very much not to do that.

On the other hand they also feel they have absolutely no option but to prevent Iran from having nuclear weapons by any means necessary.

They feel, rightly or not, that their continued existence is guaranteed only if they have Nuclear weapons and the rest of the Middle East does not.

Suicide or not, brink or not, even nuclear or not, they will prevent Iran from having Nuclear weapons.

If we help it can be done non-nuclear, so they would strongly prefer we help.

And actively or by providing them the means, I'm betting we do help.

But not till after our election, because to do it now would likely change the electoral outcome and they know that.

La6Red9Nec
La6Red9Nec

Iran send an ultimatum to Isreal and their sugar daddy through  Ban Ki Moon and his Jewish assistant and ex-American diplomat Jeff Feltman who visited Iran and the Iranian leader last week.

The ultimatum basically tells them to stop barking and threatening Iran with military action immediately or Iran will attack Isreal on Yum Ki Poor.

This news is a reaction to that ultimatum, it seems to have worked!

repharim
repharim

thank god we have the times journalist to assure us that there will not be a war before november. This journalist without doubt has the connections to all the higher ups in israel and is the prime ministers secret best friend. He knows it all. Relax, the times journalist has spoken.

Pfft, I miss the days of when journalism did not tell you what to think but just reported what happened. Not added in their own retarded opinions and thoughts. We're not here to read your opinions, we don't care about what you personally think, we don't care about YOU. We only care about the news. Do your job.

Ling
Ling

 Someone is recognizing that Israel poses a distinct

national security threat to the United States. Of course, all the Israel

backers -- Leslie Wolf Blitzer, Eat More Candy Crowley, Dana Face Bash,

and Andrea Mitchell Greenspan -- are having conniption fits over PLI

(Poor Little Israel).Wayne Madsen

FirstReason
FirstReason

Worried ??? Why should anyone be worried ? Iranian regime has to be removed anyway. America, Israel, Arab countries, and most importantly, the Iranian people want their fascist regime removed. The sooner the better. The longer countries wait to dispose of this Iranian regime, the stronger it will become.

samosirmf
samosirmf

Iran has repeatedly said

that Israel and Jewish descent should be removed from the map of the world, it

means that the earliest possible date Iran should have Nuclear Weapons

Destruction or weapons. Because only by using nuclear weapons, Iran's plan (to

destroy Israel) will be implemented. And that is why Israel felt threatened his

safety, will conduct a military strike against Iran's nuclear reactor construction.

While the issue

"whether Israel will manage to destroy Iran's nuclear reactor or

unsuccessful" it became the number two issue in mind, was the first

thought was "that Israel should be required to maintain safety from all

the threats that other State. (Mangasa Samosir Harianja,)

 

Iran telah berulang kali

mengatakan bahwa bangsa  Israel dan

keturunan Yahudi harus di hapus dari peta dunia, itu artinya Iran dalam waktu

secepat mungkin  harus sudah memiliki Senjata

Pemusnah atau senjata Nuklir. Sebab hanya dengan menggunakan senjata

Nuklir,  rencana Iran itu (untuk

menghancurkan Israel ) baru akan dapat dilaksanakan. Dan itu sebabnya Israel

yang merasa terancam keselamatannya, 

akan melakukan serangan militer terhadap pembangunan reactor nuklir Iran

itu.

Sedangkan masalah “ apakah

Israel  akan berhasil  menghancurkan reactor Nuklir Iran atau tidak

berhasil  “  itu menjadi masalah nomor dua untuk di

pikirkan, sedang yang pertama dipikirkan adalah “ bahwa Israel harus berkewajiban

mempertahankan keselamatan diri dari semua ancaman Negara lain. (Mangasa

Samosir Harianja, )

karur
karur

The reality is that Israel picked the wrong time to pressure the US and the rest of the world on Iran. With the huge turmoil in Syria, where increasingly the US needs the support of Iran/Russia and the US also needs Iran's cooperation for its strategy against the Taliban in Afghanistan, support for Israel to bomb Iran is the last thing the US will agree to do. Add to this, an election in the US. What is truly noteworthy is the huge opposition to Natanyahu's Messianic obsession with Iran within Israel. The World economy does not  need a confrontation with Iran and a threat to crude oil prices!

Ahra Ah
Ahra Ah

the stone was too big to throw for israel , right from the beginning ! the older a dog the louder the barks but sign of weakness for sure !

BoulderFinFan
BoulderFinFan

Israel's red line has been moved many times because they don't have the courage to attack Iran on their own. They want to coerce the US to do the fighting for them. cowards.

Moniker7
Moniker7

On average, how many hours of Call of Duty do you put in a week?

repharim
repharim

On average, how many years have you served in the israeli army?

Bette Overk
Bette Overk

Israel is the bravest country on the face of the earth (you ignorant fool) God is on their

side and will protect them!

hardworker777
hardworker777

Well why don't you send your father, brother, son or nephew to go die for Israel? You claim that God is on their side; God is not beholden to anyone. God has decreed Justice for Himself, not favoritism.

daddydelight
daddydelight

Good then go fight your own war , we already lost allot of our men and women for a bunch of trouble makers. 

MACV
MACV

I talked to God. He said ... "who told you they were MY PEOPLE"?

Bill Pearlman
Bill Pearlman

Tony Karon is a mouthpiece for Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Al-Aksa martyrs brigades. All you have to do is read his website to see that this is not a down the middle journalist.

daddydelight
daddydelight

Your the mouth piece , go fight you own war , we already lost allot of our most prized men and women for a bunch of trouble makers. 

Fred Ricardo
Fred Ricardo

You dumb CHENEY /

NETANYAHU pro-Israel NEOCONS who drive around in your BIG SUVs with yellow stickers

that supported Bush to invade IRAQ had better take them off; Iran exports 8

million barrels of oil a day. How do you like your $4 gas price now? Support Israel war and You won't have gas to put in them.

If Iran stops production and closes the gulf straits, your stock will go into

the flusher.

All you people up North and in Europe will freeze.

The world economy will stop.

If you think Iraq is a mess, how much confidence do you have if we invade Iran?

(Jewish AIPAC members do not respond, we already know your bloody answer).

Israel wants more American deaths for Israel, but we will not buy your lies

anymore.

 

Iran, 1.6 million sq. km. (636,294 sq. mi.); slightly larger

than Alaska.

Iraq, Area: 437,072 sq. km.; about the size of California.

 

Iran, Population 69 million.

Iraq, Population 26 million.

 

Education: Iran Literacy 79.4%.

 

Iran, Constitution: Ratified December 1979.

Israel, Constitution: None.

J Villain
J Villain

Instead of sanctions on Iran, there should be sanctions on the 4 countries that refuse to sign the NPT. North Korea, Israel, Pakistan and India. That would greatly enhance our ability to reduce the number of nuclear weapons in the world. 

akpat
akpat

To many think they have a God given right to too little. The last thing this country needs is another war. If the republicans want to go to war with Iran then let then join the IDF and go there and not use others children for it.

Donnie Duster
Donnie Duster

I am sick of America having to borrow or coin money to support Israel. It is one thing to want to help protect them. It is entirely another to subsidize them and fight their wars. It needs to end. Israel needs to protect and fund Israel itself.

repharim
repharim

You're right, lets just let the war crazed arabs take over the middle east and send in more 9/11 bombers.

hardworker777
hardworker777

You're a moron. Its attitudes like yours that have caused even Israeli officials to label Netanyahooo a crazed moron. 

Jeffrey Geez Glavick
Jeffrey Geez Glavick

War crazed? define that term, would it be a country that started two useless wars under false pretenses, the war crazed description seems to fit to me, but who could that be?

repharim
repharim

 I suggest you read some history on arabs, then come back and tell me I'm wrong. Otherwise it's like arguing with a cat that crossing the highway during rush hour is a bad idea.

Donnie Duster
Donnie Duster

 Did you read what I said? No you didn't. So shut up

Donnie Duster
Donnie Duster

Fine rep. You and your right wing  fascist buddies go fight for Israel. You can pretend you are  patriots. The rest of us will pop a beer and think, "Glad its not the U.S.  but a bunch of soldier of fortune fanatics dying for some god-forsaken  land"

repharim
repharim

Yes I read what you said. You're the type of idiot that if he knows a killer is out to get you - you don't do anything until he is at your doorstep with a shotgun in your mouth.

Namro
Namro

What is not under consideration, but is more important is the issue of Israel's nuclear capabilities.  They have no "right" to nukes that exists beyond the rights of Iran or any other country in the Middle East.  Why have they not been subjected to the same inspection regime they insist on for Iran?  Why have they not signed any UN treaties re. nukes?  Why do they appear to believe there is one set of rules for themselves and a very different set of rules and obligations for everyone else?

Israel behaves like a rogue state at every juncture, is a colonial occupier, practices appartheid, and yet enjoys seemingly unconditional US support.  This is morally wrong!

Moniker7
Moniker7

I suppose the case could be made that no country has the "right" to Nuclear weapons so I'm not sure where you're going with that, unless it's just emotional rambling.

One key difference between Israel and Iran is that only Iran has publically called for the eradication for the Jewish state, nor do they even recognize Israel as a nation. When it comes to national responsibility and nuclear weapons, public statements like that and other anti-semetic ones don't exactly inspire much world confidence that an nuclear armed Iran won't use them on Israel. You also ignore the geo-political/religious issues of the region. Israel is surrounded by nations that have tried repeatedly to steamroll over them and while things have more or less setteld down, they're still geographically isolated. Oh and they're the only operating democracy in the region - love them or hate the, that's important.

There's no doubt that the Palestinains deserve their own state but it will likely take a new generation of Israelis and Palestinians to make that happen. Younger, educated generations who are capable of moderate, rational thinking without bringing too must religious idealogy into it can accomplish a lot and are the key to developing a two state solution.

I find it interesting but not surprising that you claim the moral high ground with the Israeli/Palestinian conflict but remain silent on that rather well documented information regarding Iran's feelings towards Israel. It seems many people with your point of view will ignore the sinister nature of regimes like Iran and focus entirely on the easy targets like Israel and make claims like the latter is just as bad as the former. Makes you wonder whether or not people like yourself secretly admire totalitarianism over western democracy.

vidiiiiiy
vidiiiiiy

Iran doesn't want to eradicate the Jewish state like you are portraying. The president of Iran is against the racist apartheid state Israel, like it was in the past against apartheid South Africa. Imagine if in the 1930s I would have been against Hitler's Nazi Germany. Would I want to destroy Germany or would I want all the Germans killed? Of course not! You're mixing politics with hate and racism.

Its a fact that Israel is a racist state, they even have racist laws. When you say the 'Jewish State' Israeli jews relate the 'jewsih' more to jew as a race than jewish as a religion. In my knowledge its the only government in the world with laws referring to race (e.g. Law of Return). They have highly immoral policies against non-jews.

Is Iran against this regime, yes. Are many people in the West against the racist policies of Israel? Yes!

Greetings from Europe

vidiiiiiy
vidiiiiiy

Iran doesn't want to eradicate the Jewish state like you are portraying. The president of Iran is against the racist apartheid state Israel, like it was in the past against apartheid South Africa. Imagine if in the 1930s I would have been against Hitler's Nazi Germany. Would I want to destroy Germany or would I want all the Germans killed? Of course not! You're mixing politics with hate and racism.

Its a fact that Israel is a racist state, they even have racist laws. When you say the 'Jewish State' Israeli jews relate the 'jewsih' more to jew as a race than jewish as a religion. In my knowledge its the only government in the world with laws referring to race (e.g. Law of Return). They have highly immoral policies against non-jews.

Is Iran against this regime, yes. Are many people in the West against the racist policies of Israel? Yes!Greetings from Europe

MACV
MACV

The Israelis wrote the book on TERRORISM, just ask any graduate of West Point or Annapolis. The Irgun bombed the British embassy in Rome. They killed many British people in terrorist attacks even on British soil. They commtted the Deir Yassin massacre. They bombed the King David Hotel building in Jerusalem killing 91 people of various nationalities. What ever became of Irgun? Their military arm was integrated into the IDF. Their political arm eventually became the Likud party. Israeli PM Menachem Begin was an Irgun leader and member of Likud and a Terrorist! The Lehi was another terrorist group, an offshoot of the Irgun, they committed heinous acts of terror. They worked with the Nazis to bring European Jews to Palestine in return for the expulsion of the British. After the UN pulled the partition plan, the UN sent an envoy, Count Folke Bernadotte, to assess the conflict. Lehi murdered him. Lehi is also responsible for the Deir Yasin massacre together with Irgun. They murdered other diplomats and also bombed trains in Egypt. So what became of the Lehi? They too were integrated into IDF. In 1980 Israel introduced the Lehi ribbon to commemorate their terror "for military service towards the establishment of the State of Israel". A Lehi leader, Yitzhak Shamir, also became a PM of Israel.As you can see, Israel has a history of terrorism. A history that they are proud of and commemorate. They elected terrorists to rule their country. These terrorist organizations still exist to this day as part of the IDF and the Likud party, their political arm is AIPAC. Netanyahu belongs to the Likud party.

Irondome
Irondome

BS. Name one Israeli "terrorist attack" on British soil? Living in the UK I have never actually heard of one. Hysterical borderline Anti -Semitic emoting will not help your cause, whatever the hell it is. Posting from Iran methinks.

Jeffrey Geez Glavick
Jeffrey Geez Glavick

Speakng of sticks and stones:opied from HP_Content Section “Destroy them, God, obliterate them from the face of the earth.”by Emily L. Hauser Aug 30, 2012 2:08 PM EDT

PrintEmailComments (51)Pop quiz: What religio-political leader said the following, about which nation?Do good, God, wipe them out, kill them…. Destroy them God, obliterate them from the face of the earth. A city bus displays a campaign poster for the ultra-Orthodox Jewish "Shas" party and its spiritual leader Rabbi Ovadia Yosef. (David Silverman / Getty Images)If you said Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, head of Israel’s Shas Party and one of the country’s ultra-Orthodox kingmakers, and further guessed that he was talking about Iran—please take a seat at the head of the class

Jeffrey Geez Glavick
Jeffrey Geez Glavick

So Iran called Israel bad names? boo hoo hoo. Hussein said he had WMD to keep the Iranians at bay, but we blew his cover. Sticks and stones. As we speak Israel has their nukes aimed directly at Tehran, yet Iran which has zero and may, may want one is the threat? One more thing, Israel our supposedly greatest ally, sent not one soldier to Iraq or Afghanistan, did not Bush say your either with us or your not? Spare me the Arab BS. Anytime were attacked by an enemy that Israel does not want to deal with in a war, they get a pass? Why, really.Iran is no threat, and many Israelis have the same rhetoric and or threats to Iran. Two BS war's , one more coming. Pathetic

formerlyjamesm
formerlyjamesm

Where do the Palestinians fit into this democracy on their land?  

formerlyjamesm
formerlyjamesm

repharim and Moiker,  forgive me if I don't rely on biblical history for my orientation.

I would note that the American Indian tribes, the indigenous peoples of the USA would have much more recent and valid claim here than the Zionists do there.

repharim
repharim

"their land" what history book have you read? Oh sorry you haven't, the media brainwashed you...carry on!

Moniker7
Moniker7

"Their land". Interesting choice of words considering both sides can apparently claim historical origins in that area. Like I said, it's going to take a new generation to figure or start figuring out a way for both sides to coexist and operate as two independant states. One of the largest barriers to a solution is a incessant need to focus on redundant statements like "it's their land" or "they have a better claim".' Polorzing and narrowminded points of view like that won't solve anything. Both groups of people have the right to exist in that region. Nice detraction from Iran subject though. Any comments on that regime or are you of the same like of mind of that other fellow and think they're awesome?