An Interview with Nechirvan Barzani: Will There Be an Independent Kurdistan?

The world has made a path to Iraqi's autonomous Kurdish region because of oil. Will Iraqi Kurdistan now be able to do what was once impossible: give the perpetually stateless Kurds a country of their own?

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Nechirvan Barzani speaks during a press conference in the northern Iraqi city of Erbil on Nov. 26, 2012.

If there is one man who deserves the credit for the growing Turkish-Kurd rapprochement, it’s Prime Minister Nechirvan Barzani of Iraqi Kurdistan. Five years ago Kurds and foreigners alike laughed in his face when he told them that not only did he want Iraqi Kurdistan to export its own oil, but that he wanted to export it to Turkey, which has had an intractable problem with its own large Kurdish minority. Barzani’s strategy was one of patience: starting with confidence-building with the Turks and then coaxing small oil companies and then larger ones to risk Baghdad’s ire to drill for oil not only in the autonomous region but in territory disputed by both Barzani’s government and the Iraqi central government.
Barzani sat down with TIME on December 13 to talk about the Turks, his stormy relationship with Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki and the potential for an independent Kurdish state–and how that would affect members of the non-Arab ethnicity, which lives in Iraq, Turkey, Iran and Syria. He spoke sometimes in English and other times through the translation services of his Foreign Minister Falah Mustafa Bakir. Below are excepts from that interview:
TIME: My understanding is that the people laughed at you when you first suggested that Kurdistan drill and export its own oil. True?

Barzani: That’s true [laughs]…. We started with small projects. Small companies. I mean of course always we’ve been accused of bringing small companies but now we have big companies like Exxon Mobil, Chevron, Total, Gazprom. It has been changed a lot. The total investment so far in spending has been about $15 billion. $15 billion they spending in this country. It’s a lot of change. But of course we have a long way to go – this is not all. So the first company that we started with was a Norwegian Company called DNO. Of course at the beginning there was a huge campaign on me personally as well [saying that] I’m corrupt, I’m benefiting from this personally, stories about me personally. But I resisted and ignored all these accusations and we continued the path.

(MORE: Will Kurdistan’s Energy Wealth Lead to the Next Iraq War?)

TIME: The U.S. State Department said they oppose the Turkish pipeline because they worry that it could threaten the integrity of Iraq. Do you think building this pipeline could threaten the integrity of Iraq?

Barzani: That’s a joke [chuckles]. No, really, that’s a joke. First of all everybody knows and realizes Turkish policy. Turkish policy is against any Kurdish independence, I mean it’s obvious. So this is the fate that we have been given. Turkey has always had that power, that authority to militarily stop us. I will gladly say the opposite. What threatens Iraq’s integrity is the performance of Prime Minister Maliki in Baghdad. Maliki wants to utilize that campaign against us. We have a door of hope, which is Turkey. And if that door, that hope is closed, it will be impossible for us to surrender to Baghdad. We will do something that will put in danger the interests of all those concerned.

(MORE: How the Kurds Have Changed Turkey’s Calculations on Syria)

TIME: Is it ironic that you’re pinning your hopes on Turkey, given how badly they have treated the Kurds in the past?

Barzani: Things have changed in Turkey. It’s very simple. Turkey needs something that it doesn’t have. We need certain things that we don’t have. This has been the proper understanding on both sides. And it doesn’t have anything to do with politics. It’s an economic matter. They would like, and we would like likewise, to achieve progress. Because Turkey is a very important country for us. Of course if we are able through economic cooperation to further develop this relationship, we will certainly do it.

TIME: You have a large number of Iraqi troops mustered at your border, could this turn into a war?

Barzani: They are not far from each other, the forces. But let me discuss that in a different way. Unfortunately, Prime Minister Maliki wants to create tension in these areas. We sent our own delegation to Baghdad. They had a memorandum of 14 points. Our military forces and the Iraqi side, both sides of the military they had agreed on that. And we were pleased that this would be implemented and the problem would be solved. When we went to Maliki he rejected all of that. So the point is in what way he moves to solve the problems? The way we see it his is more interested in sorting out the differences through violence. The areas that are called the disputed territory, this is a very sensitive issue for KRG, for Kurdish. It’s extremely sensitive. When we agreed to all these 14 points he rejected it. We don’t know what formula that we use to create an understanding. But of course we’re expecting these things to happen. We knew that after the withdrawal of the American troops, things would change and this would be a normal thing to happen in Iraq. America came to this country, spent huge amounts of money and have sacrificed lives. But they handed over the keys to others.

TIME: To the Iranians?

Barzani: I said to others, okay [laughs]. Whatever problems, whatever you like, they have left all these problems behind. I’ll pose a question: Why did you come to Iraq? What’s the reason? If the only intention was to hand over Iraq’s keys to others, then why did you come? Why? This is really the question for Americans. Therefore, America is also responsible for the situation and what happens now. There is a moral responsibility on the United States. Because until the last moment when then Americans were here they did not help us to solve these problems. And they knew that these were problems that would linger. How does Baghdad act? Baghdad believes or perceives that they will be stronger, but especially I’m talking about Prime Minister Maliki, he’s waiting for F16s and M1 tanks, and being in that strong position to come and talk to us. To impose a solution on us. Imposing any kind of solution would create a problem on the ground. There has to be an agreement, a compromise. We are ready for that. We know that we cannot solve this problem through who’s strong and who’s weak. Ok, we have to be ready for compromise, both sides. And we as the KRG are ready for that, we’re ready for dialogue, for compromise, for talk, for everything.

(MORE: Power Struggles in Baghdad and Beyond Mean Opportunities for Iraq’s Kurds)

TIME: Will there come a point where you feel you can no longer bargain with Maliki and it’s better to be on your own?

Barzani: We have a constitution in this country. We will not take any other step until we lose hope in that constitution. There is no doubt if and when we lose hope that the constitution is not adhered to, certainly there are other options.

TIME: Also for Turkey, the PKK are here. Is that awkward? For them, for you, for the Turks?

Barzani: Regarding that, it’s only the issue of the PKK. Turkey has to understand one thing: this is a political question. It cannot be solved militarily. There has to be a political decision to solve this question. We have continuously raised and discussed this issue with Turkey. Always. And we will continue to do so. We are attempting to play a role so that there will be a political solution for this question.

TIME: Did you imagine five years ago that you would be receiving heads of state here? That Kurdistan would have come so far as an independent region?

Barzani: Five years ago, it was so difficult, really. Five years or more, it was difficult to expect that, really. Because I remember, Turkey especially, they had 200,000 troops on the border. They threatened us, we will enter here. And instead of that right now we have almost $8 billion in trade with Turkey. Only with the KRG. And the major Turkish companies in construction, in other areas, they are active here. And for the opening ceremony of the new Erbil airport Prime Minister Erdogan, he came here. So, it’s a big change. It’s a really big change in terms of the relationship with Turkey.

TIME: Is it possible to say that you are closer than ever to an independent Kurdistan?

Barzani: I believe, yes, we have a very good opportunity. But we have a lot of challenges as well. How we can – I mean an independent Kurdistan – first of all we have to convince at least one country around us. Without convincing them, we cannot do this. Being land locked we have to have a partner, a regional power to be convinced and internationally, a big power to be convinced to support that. What we want right now is to have an economic independence within Iraq. And the biggest threat on Iraq’s unity is Prime Minister Maliki. Because Prime Minister Maliki is acting very unilaterally and as a one man show. This will not help to solve Iraq’s problems. The Kurdish concern about Maliki is not only the Kurdish concern. It you go talk to any Shi’a, Turkman, Sunni, they have exactly the same concern about the Prime Minister. This is the reality. Everybody is unhappy with the performance of the prime minister.

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tomandgerry
tomandgerry


The criminal family of Barzanies of 1001 Generals look at these examples :

Field Marshal Mansour Barzani with his father in pseudo front line in Kerkuk ( Saddam style ) http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/c0.0.843.403/p843x403/375463_565459203468055_1211510861_n.jpg

General Jami barzani ( teenager president of teenagers peshmerga ) http://www.kurdistanpost.com/i/f2/f2f848da.jpg

General Rawan Barzani ( a youngish boy president of youth peshmerga ) http://www.flickr.com/photos/kurdistan4all/8292921316/in/photostream

General Sidad Barzani ( president of 50s 60s peshmerga ) http://insightkurdistan.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/masoud-barznai-in-kirkuk.jpg

General Adham Barzani ( retired president peshmerga ) http://www.qanon302.net/news/filemanager.php?action=image&id=22809

General babo Barzani ( President of peshmerga babies unit ) http://www.shafaaq.com/en/images/2012/9/4/adhem%20barzani%20state%20of%20kurdistan.jpg


Your day is coming , 25 years of killing murdering mutilating incarcerating innocents  stealing people wealth and displacing thousands . 




EmadMuhammad
EmadMuhammad

for some of people who are working for opposition inside Kurdistan.

These are propaganda and spin which is known as media bias . I see there are some people who are working on social networks and distributing propaganda to fool people in purpose. You guys are working for some organizations and media to mislead people. Even though, Kurdistan's system is democratic you are not able to convince individuals with these propaganda and biased information.

Everyone in Kurdistan has access to  Internet and satellite TVs so don't fool others. some of information are 100% biased information. 


tomandgerry
tomandgerry

 EmadMuhammad



There is no conspiracy , jelousy or spin . Masood and gangsters are criminals there only interest is to fill their pockets with money from range of people . Their recent history read


1996-2003 Masood was SADDAM KURDISH ALLAY http://articles.cnn.com/1996-09-17/world/9609_17_iraq.charge_1_massoud-barzani-iraqi-opposition-sources-jalal-talabani?_s=PM:WORLD .

2003-2008 Masood was President Bush Kurdish Allay

In 2007 2008 2009 2010 The criminal masood pastime was to come out on TV and start '' threatening '' Erdogan and Turkey . e.g. http://www.okaz.com.sa/okaz/osf/20070411/Con20070411102736.htm http://www.alraynews.com/News.aspx?id=30187

In 2011 PPK become Masood enemy and threatening Turskish Kurdish Brotherhood http://www.todayszaman.com/news-260337-barzani-says-pkk-attacks-target-turkish-kurdish-brotherhood.html

In 2012 Almalaki became Masood enemy and Turkey is '' the only hope'' . Now he is threatening USA too .

This guy has no vision no policy and simply knows absolutely nothing about politics . Like kids whom ever gives him a lolly he praise ! He is heading for a disaster a time after another.
In democracies , there is no immortal peoples , no one party rule with iron and fire and no one party rule for 25 years . Additionally , democratic institution prohibit immortal leaders from passing power and wealth to siblings . This is not the case with Masood '' democratic'' party. Their time is coming exactly like Qaddafi .


PM for 23 years and counting ( elected democratically :)

http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/269753_10152012333445296_1782937839_n.jpg


Dr-DanielPst
Dr-DanielPst

Several characteristics can be seen in all totalitarian regimes. The first is strict government control of the media, with the media typically being used as a propaganda organ. Cultural, political, and artistic expression among the populace is also usually severely curtailed, as is access to outside news sources. People who criticize the government tend to disappear in a totalitarian regime, and their family members may fall under close scrutiny.
These governments also cultivate a sense of deep devotion to the State, with citizens being encouraged to regard the State as being almost like a parent.
Many people feel that totalitarian regimes are a very poor form of government, because they can be quite oppressive. However, they are also highly efficient, thanks to the extreme level of control, and this is one reason why such regimes are capable of mounting massive economic and military attacks on their neighbors.

KimIndependenceforkurds
KimIndependenceforkurds

Dr; Daniel

We have returned form abroad to Iraqi Kurdistan with tones of new ideas and strategies last 4 months ago. We aim to contribute  to propagating  real democracy and help further improve our infrastructure. What we witness with our own eyes is that  one can hardly find a totally independent media out let here in Kurdistan. Albeit calling themselves independent, most media outs lets are established by the ruling parties to further their interests. Their budget emanates from some sort of political parties. Now the ruling parties can no longer disappear or imprison an opponent or critic due to the increasing pressure from numerous existing NGO's, HR groups and EU countries, but what instead  they resort to is try to kill them by ignoring and ostracizing  them.  In other words: No employment, no social benefits, no progress opportunities, especially for those more educated members of Kurdish community returning from overseas. So one will remain with 2 choices here: Either go with flow and become one of them, or leave the country.

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EmadMuhammad
EmadMuhammad

@KimIndependenceforkurds  These are propaganda and spin which is known as media bias . I see there are some people who are working on social networks and distributing  propaganda to fool people in purpose. You guys are working for some organizations and media to mislead people. Even though, Kurdistan's system is democratic you are not able to convince individuals with these propaganda and biased information. 


independenceforkurds
independenceforkurds

Mr. Emad


There is no necessity for us to circulate propaganda hostile to any one, any group or political party in Kurdistan since we maintain our impartiality. However, having said that, we are more than willing work in partnership with every one, every Kurdish group or party that truly serves and advance our nation’s interest. Our words reflect the truths. We do not assert and publish biased info without evidence, as well. If an EU court grants us a hearing session, we will present all the facts accordingly.
We have refuted support from the state department, numerous foreign embassies functioning in Kurdistan, and donor agencies because we would like to help build our country and directly work with/for KRG.


As far corruption is concerned, the entire world admits it. How can you deny it? Do not you hear, listen and watch the news? It does exist and it continues to deteriorate. PM Nechirvan Barzani himself frankly confessed in one of his visits to Suly, saying it is part of our culture.


Kurdistan Independence Movement, or K.I.M, was established on May 15, 2012 . Our past is translucent and so is KDP’s and every other political parties. Willy- nilly, KDP is the most corrupt party in Iraqi Kurdistan and its files is thick with betrayals, failures and incessant deceptions. If President Barzani does not truly work on independence, his will soon lose his credibility and legitimacy in the eyes if the public and the future of his KDP remain negatively vague.


Lastly, it is our sincere hope that Kurdistan gets better and better and more developed every day.

AriShkar
AriShkar

We talk about Masud Mustafa Barzani, Nechirvan Idris Barzani a mafia family that is has destroyed Kurdish Future.


We're not talking about Anfal we know Anfal was 182000 Kurdish people are killed and not the family of Masoud Mustafa Al Barzani and Nechirevan Idris Al Barzani. In that time Mustafa and his family they was in Mariwan , Iran they had a nice and safe place to live.


Alan
Alan

http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=&to=en&a=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.shatnews.com%2Findex.php%3Fshow%3Dnews%26action%3Darticle%26id%3D1884

http://www.flickr.com/photos/44951574@N03/7277072886/

http://www.shatnews.com/index.php?show=news&action=article&id=1884

http://www.shatnews.com/index.php?show=news&action=article&id=2302

At least if kurds go back to mountains, it's still Kurdistan. You and the criminal Al Maliki and his mafia gang will definitely go back to  Damascus, Sayeda Zainab district or to Tehran, Kocha Marwi district, if you are lucky enough to escape SADDAM or GADDAFI fate .

serdasht123
serdasht123



From this : http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/269753_10152012333445296_1782937839_n.jpg

To This:  http://www.rudaw.net/english/thumbnail.php?file=5_opt_256254624.jpg&size=article_medium ( 23 years and counting )


OUR PEOPLE LOVE US http://wn.com/kurds_protesting_in_helsinki_against_barzani_and_his_gang_style_organization_of_kdp ( people of kurdistan are beggars in Europe )


You will definitely go back to mountains or Orchards of Turkey , if you are lucky enough to escape GADDAFI fate .



Alan
Alan

Every step Kurdistan make forward create more hatred and jealousy among the enemies of kurds and their successful leadership. You arabs once threat the jews to throw them in the sea and now threat the kurds to send them back to the mountains but you don't realize that you arabs are nothing but a nations of ignorants who enjoy stealing lands and wealth from other nations and worship thieves and dictators and mass murderers like Saddam, Al Maliki, Al Qaddafi, Al Assad etc...
If you want to know more about Masoud Barzani, Nechirvan Barzani and the Barzani family, could you first know better about George Bush the father, George W Bush the son, Jeff Bush and the Bush family. You should also know better about JF Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, Ted Kennedy and the Kennedy family and you should also know better about Indira Gandhi, Rajiv Gandhi and the Gandhi family.
You are so ignorant and blind of hatred and jealousy, the richest man in the world is not Nechirvan, the richest man in the world is Carlos Slim Helu and then Bill Gates and Warren Buffett. Your jealousy eventually kill you.
The Kurdish convoy is moving forward towards progress and prosperity and doesn't care about what the envious and losers say.

Dr-DanielPst
Dr-DanielPst like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

If you want to know more about Masoud Barzani, Nechirvan Barzani and his family, could you first know better about the Lybian xs dictator Muammar al Gaddafi and his family.


serdasht123
serdasht123

@Dr-DanielPst Masood and rest of barzanies are criminal . He and his gangs have directly killed mutilated assassinated displaced and exiled thousands of kurdish people . If you need to know the true extent of the criminality of SADDAM KURDISH ALLIES ( MASOOD AND NICHERVAN) go and do some researching . Good starting point .http://www.apnewsarchive.com/1996/Saddam-Backed-Kurdish-Faction-Takes-Control-of-Rivals-Stronghold/id 59ba0e0e3fa1b5d4b47964c889f77cdb There is blood of innocent people on Barzanies hands and hugh amount of stolen money in Masoods pockets .


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AriShkar
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@serdasht123 We talk about Masud Mustafa Barzani, Nechirvan Idris Barzani a mafia family that is has destroyed Kurdish Future.


We're not talking about Anfal we know Anfal was 182000 Kurdish people are killed and not the family of Masoud Mustafa Al Barzani and Nechirevan Idris Al Barzani. In that time Mustafa and his family they was in Mariwan , Iran they had a nice and safe place to live.

AriShkar
AriShkar like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

Can I ask you Nechirvan Barzani you are one of the richest person in the world where you got the money from?

One thing is important you need to know about the Kurdistan Regional Government! They are two group of mafia with other words,they are Totalitarian  working for Turkey and Iran Interests Barzani belongs to Turkey and Talabany belongs to Iran, the two groups controlled the Kurdish oil benefits and all the parts in half between the two groups, they have Many companies and many fake organizations that work for them in this way of course with the help of Turkey and Iran have managed to recheck everything. They do not work for Kurdish interest!

serdasht123
serdasht123




From this : http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/269753_10152012333445296_1782937839_n.jpg

To This http://www.rudaw.net/english/thumbnail.php?file=5_opt_256254624.jpg&size=article_medium  ( 23 years and counting ) 
OUR PEOPLE LOVE US http://wn.com/kurds_protesting_in_helsinki_against_barzani_and_his_gang_style_organization_of_kdp ( people of kurdistan are beggars in Europe ) 
You will definitely go back to mountains or Orchards of Turkey , if you are lucky enough to escape GADDAFI fate .

Alan
Alan

The criminal and thief Nouri Al Maliki will never leave his position as prime minister of Iraq peacefully no matter what is the result of the next election http://www.flickr.com/photos/44951574@N03/7277072886/

He did it last time when Ayad Allawi got more vote than him but he cheated and did everything in order  to secure his position as prime minister. One time cheater is always cheater, and you
arabs are professionals in stealing, cheating and deceiving others. You bare feet arabs have never believed in democracy and you have nothing to do with it along your history,so don't talk about democracy.

serdasht123
serdasht123

Victims of criminals barzani family , refugees kurds in FINLAND beging living , in a protest against ( dictator barzani , barzani is enemy of kurdish people ) . These are sample of millions of kurds refugees escape civil war 1992-1998 , internal conflict and corruption and lack of opportunities of decent living .
http://wn.com/kurds_protesting_in_helsinki_against_barzani_and_his_gang_style_organization_of_kdp For criminal barzani family  is usual trade and business with turks . One day they will be dragged in Erbil street with shoes of the like of these .



tomandgerry
tomandgerry

This guy now has been a Prime Minister for 23 years http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/269753_10152012333445296_1782937839_n.jpg

And planning to stay FOREVER . Does any sane believe this . And they say he has been elected democratically by criminality of 1001 family generals. 

Any ''leader'' can stay in power FOREVER if their family have a criminal gangs that kill assassinate mutilate and be SADDAM allay just to stay ruling two city and steal people money . This is democracy seizing power by armed criminal militia . Excellent .  

tomandgerry
tomandgerry

EmadMuhammad

According to CNN , SADDAM KURDISH ALLY is Masood Barzani from 1996 to 2003 . Now Masood propaganda machine is talking about Halabja and Anfal of Saddam in 1988 .  YOU REALLY DO NOT KNOW SHAME YOU SHOULD HANG YOURSELVES IN SHAME . http://articles.cnn.com/1996-09-17/world/9609_17_iraq.charge_1_massoud-barzani-iraqi-opposition-sources-jalal-talabani?_s=PM:WORLD .EmadMuhammad



This guy now has been a Prime Minister for 23 years http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/269753_10152012333445296_1782937839_n.jpg

And planning to stay FOREVER . Does any sane believe this .


EmadMuhammad
EmadMuhammad

 So what??? I told you you don't know any thing about politics and history. Officially Kurdistan was part of Iraq and is part of Iraq now. Maybe you are fool but others are not fool dear psycho. I don't know who hired you ?? because you don't know anything and for me is very difficult to teach you. I would better go to school and educate. you act like kids. 


EmadMuhammad
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To  Kurdish fact,     Independent forKurds,    tomandgery,     sardasht123.  

I don't know who are you and who do you work for. my guess is you are (Maybe you live in kurdistan and you have a opposition background or you are Islamic Radical parties or traitor who live in Arabic countries or who work for nuri almaliki and Iran. or you live in western countries and are living on social and Europeans  budgets)

And you are what we call in the world a loser and traitor who has a benefit to not have a free and stable country. you like other people who is free-loader and want to pretend that Kurdistan is not a stable country and it's a very dangerous place to live so this is the best way to live on social in Europe. Or to be famous like a human rights activist. Or you haven't got European passport yet, so you want to get your passport.

I know lots of people like you. Shame on you , just for a second think about people who were poisoned by chemical attack in Halabja think about mothers who lost their suns, children, and husband during the war. And now think about those Peshmarga even, maybe younger than you , who is in Hamrin and Kirkuk now, to defend civilians and their country, shame on you. you are a conscienceless person to his history and nation. you are an egotist person who want destroy everything in his country to revenge your country and its people just because you are an useless person in his country.

there were lots of people like you during the history but they haven't had any place in our community the best place for people like you is the bottom of garbage can of history.

Don't think that we are 100% satisfy, But we now that other countries are not better than Kurdistan , maybe we have some issues but we are trying to fix everything because we have a free Region and we believe to fix every thing we learn from the pas to fix the problem not to destroy every thing and build it again. We believe that we have the best leaders and honest presidents who are working very hard for their country for me and you and next generation to have better lives. when more that 70% of people vote for president Barzani it means that you are wrong.

People like you are going to Europe and live on Europian budget and other people from different countries ( Bangladesh, Ethiopia, Arabic countries, China, Japan, United States, Europe, India, Iran, Turkey and lots of other countries in the world ) come to Kurdistan because they think better than you and they know that Kurdistan is the best place to work and live because is a safe place for different skin-colors, religions, nationalities, and langues . Shame on you because just think about a person from Bangladish who work in Kurdistan better than you like a street sweeper. Because my country even for him is a safe place. people work as a street sweeper and can get enough money for their family BUT YOU free-loaders want that government pay you for nothing so please change your identification because Kurdish people are not like you and your friends and don't say that you are Kurdish. Because this community doesn't recognize and doesn't need people like you except if you have a physiological issues, which is very normal and you are free to say any thing just make sure in the beginning to introduce your self as a Psycho.

My suggestion for you is change your thoughts and perspectives in a wide-angle. I can see that you don't have any job because you are 24 hours working on these websites and telling lies. Go find a better job because economy in Europe day by day is going worst and worst. learn something new ,change some friends who are free-loaders. Just for a minute think about what I said. And be a good citizen and useful citizen in any country you live.



KimIndependenceforkurds
KimIndependenceforkurds

To Emmad : I don't know who are you and who do you work for. my guess is you are (Maybe you live in kurdistan and you have a opposition background or you are Islamic Radical parties or traitor who live in Arabic countries or who work for nuri almaliki and Iran. or you live in western countries and are living on social and Europeans budgets)
Read more: http://world.time.com/2012/12/21/an-interview-with-nechirvan-barzani-will-there-be-an-independent-kurdistan/#ixzz2GCNe6XYS

One thing the Barzani supporters always try to do is to level baseless ccusations against any one not agreeing with them. Plesae wake up and see the reality! The era of censorship and supperssion is long gone! We live in the 21st technological century. Thesse tactics wre employed by by  Barzani family back in 70s. Our people are educated now! Every one reserves the right to voice his/her view free! Barzani realizes that he can no longer muzzle our Sardasht Osmans with bullets. We are from Hawler, South Kurdistan but apparently, you live abroad. Read the following links to know who we are:

http://hawler.in/news34726-9.htm

http://www.civilmag.com/?p=5317

Alan
Alan like.author.displayName 1 Like

The criminal and thug Al Maliki and his corrupt Daawa party and the rest of the mullahs who have influence in the new Iraq and who now attacking Kurds, these criminals torched a sectarian civil war that spanned most in from 2006 to 2009, which burned everything and everybody and took the lives of hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis, and caused the displacement of millions of Iraqis and left tens of thousands of missing Iraqis. The bloodthirsty Al maliki and his party ignited the civil war for no reason only in response to the bombing of the al-Askari shrine in Samarra, until the U.S. champion David Piraeus put out the flames of the dirty civil war. Now, the criminal and theif al-Maliki and the Daawa Party, and those with him are the ones who have tightened their grip on Iraq and share power and wealth among their relatives and their children.

If the people of Kurdistan want Masoud Barzani and elect him democratically again so why should he step down? It would be wrong if Masoud Barzani or any other leader in the world disappoints his own people. Stop being jealous, everybody knows that every step kurdistan make forward create more hatred and jealousy among those who hate the Kurds and Kurdistan and their successful leadership.

Shawkat
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Dear Alan and Emad, As a Kurd I would like to thank you for your contributions that testify your involvement in the Kurdish case.
Fortunately, we have little of the kind of “Sardesh123” in Kurdistan, If there were more, There would ben o security on the street, no water and Electricity, no economic prosperity…etc. We live with our Peshmarga’s who now in frontline stand ready to ward off any attack. We are faithful to our democratic elected leaders. It doesn’t matter who wins the elections. But the party who wins we are on his side and we defend him or her and all Kurdistan and Kurdistaniyans. If we have any doubts about some one we can solve problems internally in Kurdistan. It is shameful that some Kurds present Kurdistan on a bad and unfair way to the World on this website. They don’t realise they reduce themselves and serve the enemy. I’m happy and proud of Alan and Emad.

EmadMuhammad
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@Shawkat  Dear Shawkat , Thanks for your commend.

these people are just free-loaders and traitors. As you said there are just  some of them which is very normal to have these people in any community around the world. 

independenceforkurds
independenceforkurds

Alan:

Let’s concede that president Masoud Barzani has been elected democratically by the people of the Kurdistan region with 70% of the vote as you claim.


Next what? His 2nd term is going to expire soon. Is he going to step down, allowing someone to replace him, being a symbol of peace, or is he going to cling to power forever, pursuing the footsteps of other dictators?

Alan
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The president Masoud Barzani has been elected democratically by the people of the Kurdistan region with 70% of the vote.

http://www.iraqhurr.org/content/article/1788372.html

The criminal and thief Nouri Al Maliki didn't deserve to be the prime minister because Ayad Allawi got more vote than him.

tomandgerry
tomandgerry

@Alan Masood and his criminal family will never give up power . This criminal tribe ensued a civil war for 8 years to refuse ballot . Masood was until 2003 know as SADDAM KURDISH ALLY http://articles.cnn.com/1996-09-17/world/9609_17_iraq.charge_1_massoud-barzani-iraqi-opposition-sources-jalal-talabani?_s=PM:WORLD .

If people of Iraq do not elect Malaki he will go home an sit down like Iyad Alawi and Ibrahim Jaferi both ex presidents and this reflect americans values of freedom and democracy . These 1001 barzanies generals and field marshals would not give up power democratically  they will try to create another civil war . The criminality is in their blood . 



Alan
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The criminal and corrupt family of  Iraqi prime minister Nouri Al Maliki, look at these examples :

The criminal Nouri Al maliki's son thug Ahmed Almaliki's palace in London http://pulpit.alwatanvoice.com/articles/2009/10/16/177032.html

The thief and criminal Maliki's son most of those involved in corruption Russian arms deal  http://dinarvets.com/forums/index.php?/topic/134841-vice-chest-malikis-son-among-defendants-with-russian-arms-deal-corruption/

The thief and criminal Maliki's son most of those involved in corruption Russian arms deal  http://www.hisanews.com/index.php/iraqinews/859-2012-11-26-12-21-41


 

tomandgerry
tomandgerry

@Alan 1001 generals of all ages come on man the shit hole  is beyond sewing. This mafia criminal families with generals of all ages behaviour is not acceptable to any elected accountable government . Large sector of kurdish people hate these behaviour because it is not only wrong but also criminal . If you asked Qaddafi before he was dragged by the poor people of Libya he would say I am leader of people revolution my grandfather is Omar Mukhtar my people love me , then momentum come and you saw how much his people loved him . Like Masood he had dozen of kids all generals and countless of tribesmen in (security positions). Go and ask Barzani he would say he is revulotion leader his grandfather is mala mustfa and kurdish people love him. Like Qaddafi he wants to pass power and wealth to his sons . 

Next election Al Malaki would be gone if people do not like him . But Masood is not planning to conform himself with values of free world . As it is stands he is terrorist and criminal . Any other president elected by people of Iraq would stop masood criminality. Maybe the bubble the 1001 generals living in would burst and they will be executed by shoes of poor kurdish people .   

tomandgerry
tomandgerry

The criminal family of Barzanies of 1001 Generals  look at these examples : 

Field Marshal  Mansour Barzani with his father in pseudo  front line in Kerkuk   ( Saddam style ) http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/c0.0.843.403/p843x403/375463_565459203468055_1211510861_n.jpg

General Jami barzani  ( teenager president of teenagers peshmerga  ) http://www.kurdistanpost.com/i/f2/f2f848da.jpg

General Rawan Barzani ( a youngish boy president of youth peshmerga ) http://www.flickr.com/photos/kurdistan4all/8292921316/in/photostream

General Sidad Barzani ( president of 50s 60s peshmerga ) http://insightkurdistan.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/masoud-barznai-in-kirkuk.jpg 

General Adham Barzani ( retired president peshmerga ) http://www.qanon302.net/news/filemanager.php?action=image&id=22809 

General babo Barzani ( President of peshmerga babies unit ) http://www.shafaaq.com/en/images/2012/9/4/adhem%20barzani%20state%20of%20kurdistan.jpg 


Government and being in power is not a family business and trade . And our americans friends know this very well . The prudent thing for this family to do to resurrect their fate and destiny is change of behaviour .  Apologies to Kurdish people and people of Irar . Dismantle outlawed criminal armed militia , return stolen money and conform themselves with values of free Iraq and free world . Right now they want to be like Qaddafi Saddam Kim Il Son and the rest .  




Alan
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Just for laughs, click the link below to see photos of the current Iraqi prime minister Nouri Al Maliki, before the liberation of Iraq 2003.
( Mr Nouri Al Maliki day of poverty when working in Damascus, sayeda Zainab district, before the thievery of Iraqi people resources ). http://www.flickr.com/photos/44951574@N03/7277072886/

http://www.shatnews.com/index.php?show=news&action=article&id=2302

tomandgerry
tomandgerry

@Alan This man has been elected  democratically . He and Iyad Allawi was head to head  few hundred voice difference . The criminal Masood got 99.9% in Dohuk/Erbil and 0% in Sule . 

cengiz
cengiz

Turkey has saved life of millions of Kurds from Saddam during first gulf war opening its borders and feeding them with its limeited sources like for Syrians now, like for Jews from Spain 500 years ago and during W.W. II.  Nobody remembers.

Alan
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Al Maliki admitted to the head of the Arab League Nabil Al-Arabi that he and members of his islamist party Al Daawa met high ranking members of Saddam Hussein's bloody Baath party like Taha Yassin Ramadan Al Jezrawi and Tariq Aziz just months before the dictator and his regime fall and he offered the mass murderer Saddam and his regime Al Daawa party's support and cooperation to fight against USA and they told Saddam's regime that Al Daawa party accept Saddam Hussein to stay in power, but the regime rejected the Daawa party offer and humiliated them by saying who are you and what is your value in the Iraqi street?
http://www.shatnews.com/index.php?show=news&action=article&id=1884
So for Al Maliki one day Saddam is good and he wants to support him and the next day he was bad and crying that he killed the Shiaa. One day the Kurds are Al-Maliki's close friend next day they are enemies. One day he accused Bashar Al-Assad helping the terrorists to inter Iraq to kill Iraqis next day supporting Bashar Al-Assad with weapons and Iraqi money and wealth and allowing iranians airplanes to pass iraqi airspace loaded with weapon and ammunition to the dictator Bashar Al-Assad who kills his own people. "Only criminal gangs with no clear vision and policies will behave in this infantile manner". "You see fate of Jamal Mubarak Ahmed Ali Saleh Qossay Hussain Bashar Al Assad , yet like kids Al Maliki is adamant to inherit power and trade to his son Mohammed".

tomandgerry
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One day saddam is good man assurance for kurdish future in iraq ( 1996-2003) , next day they go crying to president Bush oh saddam have killed 8000 barzanies . One day  Iran has hatred for kurds (Barzanies ) Al Malaki has hatred for kurds Al Jaaferi has hatred for kurds Al Daawa has hatred for kurds .Next day Malaki is a friend and allies Iran is our godfather and big brother . http://www.kurdpress.com/En/Images/News/Smal_Pic/12-5-1391/IMAGE634795274391922011.jpg  One day Masood attacks turkey and Erdogan  and create tension next day Erdogan is the only hope . Only criminal gangs with no clear vision and policies will behave in this infantile manner .Every now and again when billions of stolen dollars come under threat , barzanies come out oh we are going to declare a state . You see fate of Jamal Mubarak Ahmed Ali Saleh Kossay Hussain Bashar Al Assad , yet like kids Masood is adamant to inherit power and trade to his sons  

Barzanies gangs  are  true laugh-stock . 



kurdishfacts
kurdishfacts

@tomandgerry Well said. The Kurds should be happy that Barzani did not drag the Kurds into the Civil War just this month with Iraqi Central Government. What a way to drag the Kurds into another War in order to avoid there future International court.

Alan
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@serdasht123, Nice try but doesn't work because it based on lies and hatred for the kurds as a nation and their leadership. The Iranians are enemies of kurdish people, your friend the prime minister of Iraq Nouri Al Maliki and his islamic party are enemies of kurdish people, They kill torture mutilate any free voice. Nouri Al Maliki killed the Journalist and the political activist Hadi Al Mahdi because he opposed the corrupt leadership of Al Maliki and he organized demonstrations against him every week in Tahreer square in Baghdad. Nouri Al Maliki Killed the former governor of Basra province in southern Iraq because he was brave enough to say to Al Maliki enough killing, enough corruption, the Iraqi people live in misery even animals live better than them under the leadership of Al Maliki and his corrupt parti Al Daawa.
The photos of Masoud and Nechirvan Barzani with Saddam are not secrets and you waste your time for nothing, even Jalal Talabani and the opposition leader Nawshirwn Mustafa have photos with Saddam and all these photos are related to negotiations for peace which kurds always have wanted but after every peace negotiation the mass murderer Saddam changed his mind and didn't want a peaceful solution of the kurdish issue in Iraq.

serdasht123
serdasht123

@Alan 

So Mala Mustafa Idris Masoad Nichir were Saddam friend as long as he was paying . 

when any party disconnect from their grass root from suffering of their people , build an empire worth billion of dollars from future generation resources . When a party indulge in criminality instilling fear in to innocent people who dare to speak up . Killing murdering torturing assassinating and all the other dirty words in the lexicon would not protect your stolen billions . Look at Qaddafi Ali Saleh Mubbarak , up to the end they were saying OUR PEOPLE LOVE US . see the end . 

By the way this is how much your master worth in reality : http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/269753_10152012333445296_1782937839_n.jpg 


Greeting from Nouri Al Malaki , you will go back to the mountains . 


serdasht123
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These are photos of  the traitors Barzani family with Saddam Husain 

http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/269753_10152012333445296_1782937839_n.jpg  ( Mr Nicher day of poverty when working labourer in Iran Orchards before the thievery of kurdish people resources ) 

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/GH71ehK-X-w/0.jpg      ( Mr Nicher with Saddam 1991)

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/oqMTsrHvmzM/0.jpg  ( Mr Nicher with Saddam 1999) 

http://latifyahia.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/29776_436997891689_687186689_6224029_3016106_n.jpg?w=361&h=269  ( Masoad with Saddam 1991) 

http://www.kurdistanpost.info/files/barzani_saddam.jpg   (Masoad with Saddam 1996)

http://www.tlemea.com/iraq/images/Barzani_and_Hussein.jpg    The immortal with Saddam 1973 

http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/files/images/071003_barzani_0.jpg


Barzani family are enemies of kurdish people they are only after money whether from Saddam Shah of Iran George Bush Erdogan does not matter . They kill torture mutilate any free voice . But hey these are all fake photos it is propaganda people are jealous from the billions of dollars stolen from there resources . You will soon be like Qaddafi family bunch of bustards .  


kurdishfacts
kurdishfacts

@serdasht123 Thank you. Great Job. You forgot to show the thousands the PDK had murdered by Saddam when he allowed the tanks to roll into Kurdistan and kissed Saddam's shoulder for his help.

As Bush had put it, you are either with "us" or against "us". It is  a no brainer  that last election of Kurdistan was paid for by Barzani's to keep the power and pre-paid everyone off. They had thousands, go and vote 7 or more times in order to win.

If it was not for the "Goran" (change group), today they would be stealing a lot more and killing a lot more people. The Goran was a wake up call for PDK and PUK. and it took both groups in order to win some seats in the parliament.

What a shame they cannot allow the nation to move forward. They must put those that have 110% loyalty to the party in order to gain a seat in power. This is show the people and nations that they are allowing others to control the seats. 

A smell of fake players are seen all the way across the world.

That is why up until today, the Barzani's have to look for someone to get them into the white house so that they can show the Kurds that they are connected to the White house. The white house policy does not have Barzani on the list of guest allowed to the White house.

WAKE UP KURDISTAN. YOU ARE ALL BEING TAKEN INTO THE DARK HOLE.


Alan
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@ tomandgerry

You sound like the mafia and corrupt islamists politicians who have the power in Baghdad now. Ask your friend the prime minister of Iraq why the Iraqis have no electricity more than 5 hours a day and what happened to the 34 billion dollar hed claims he spent on electricity?

kurdishfacts
kurdishfacts

@Alan Just because Arabs are also stealing money from their own, that is not a Kurdish problem. If the Barzani's had been honest from 20 years ago today Kurdistan would have been a nation 100% supported by everyone. However, the Barzani's took from the Kurds. That once in a life time chance will never come back. In our country the United States, we also have crooks in politics and once they are ousted by the news, they face over 20 years of prison and forfeit everything they own. They are considered a disgrace to our people of America.
The people of Kudristan must rise on their own to take down the Barzani and its layers of crooks that protect them. Based off intelligence reports this feat would only take a matter two weeks or less to accomplish if all the Kurds were too unite. They are just too caught up in making money and not changing their destiny as many of the Arab nations are doing today.

EmadMuhammad
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@serdasht123 @Alan these photos don't make sense.. these are just peace agreements to save your ass.  I said you have a psychological problem. As I said you are not educated so go to school and study again. at least get C in history subject. Because you don't know any thing about history.  So please and please go to school. By the way these photos show that the only person who believes in peace is President Barzani and his family.  


Go take a break because you are working very hard and your work is unreliable.  Be more advance ; )  ...