Will Britain Exit the European Union? The Rise of a Small Party Makes that Scenario More Likely

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Nigel Farage gives an interview during a June 18, 2012 visit to Prague.

When Britain’s Prime Minister David Cameron delivers his much-anticipated speech on the European Union later this month, his audience at home and abroad will be listening intently. Euroskeptics hope he will signal a radical redrawing of the U.K.’s relationship with Europe. Others, including 10 leading British businessmen such as Richard Branson, signatories to a Jan. 8 open letter in the Financial Times, fear “wholesale renegotiation” could “create damaging uncertainty for British business” or lead to Britain exiting altogether. Such a scenario once seemed remote, but increasing  numbers of Britons would apparently cheer such an outcome, according to opinion polls. Riding that wave—and driving it—is Nigel Farage, the leader of the United Kingdom Independent Party (UKIP). Until recently, UKIP was a small political party in Britain with seemingly no chance of making political waves. “We are a very important catalyst for change in the national debate on a wide range of subjects and a completely alternative view,” Farage boasted to the Guardian this week, after months of watching his anti-Europe party gaining in popularity.

A Jan. 5 opinion poll by Survation/Mail on Sunday showed UKIP currently in third place among Britain’s political parties with 16% support. That puts the right-wing fringe party ahead of the Liberal Democrat party, the Conservatives’ junior partner in the U.K.’s governing coalition. Though people often tell pollsters they’re likely to go one way and then vote the other, UKIP has recently done well in real elections too. On Nov. 29, the party came second in two parliamentary by-elections, beating the Conservatives and the LibDems, and prompting Farage to tell reporters at the time, “We’re connecting with people and that’s not going to go away.”

UKIP has yet to win any parliamentary seats and, until 2012, hadn’t made much of a political impact at all. Conservative Prime Minister David Cameron, in 2006, dubbed UKIP members “fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists”; now he needs to woo the people he disparaged.

Britain’s first-past-the-post system for Westminster elections slows the rise of small parties. But according to Anthony Wells, a pollster for YouGov and UK Polling Report, UKIP is now in an excellent position to capture the protest vote that’s no longer going to go to the LibDems.  A vote for UKIP, Wells says, is “an anti-immigration vote, it’s a protest against the government vote, it’s a general I’m-uncomfortable-with-the-status-of-modern-Britain vote. A vote against the status quo.” And with those votes coming “predominately from former Conservative voters,” UKIP’s popularity is effectively splitting the right.

Which means that Conservatives are left facing the very real possibility that Labour could beat them in the parliamentary elections scheduled for 2015. The prospect has left the Tories grappling with their own response to the Europe issue, with euroskeptic Conservatives urging the party down the same road as UKIP.

Euroskeptic parties are enjoying a boost across Europe, as the debt crisis rages. A 2012 TNS Opinion and Social poll for the European Commission found that throughout Europe only 31% of those polled trusted the EU. In Britain, trust is particularly low at only 16%. And as austerity bites, UKIP’s political messages have found new resonance. The party advocates not only for Britain’s exit from the EU, but also for severely restricting immigration.

“Lots of Conservative MPs on the right-wing of the party, who want a tougher policy on immigration and who want to be more anti-European, see the UKIP rise as a good way to convince the leadership to move in that direction,” says Wells, who also warns that such a move could also repel “the center voters they need to appeal to.”

Cameron argues against holding an “in or out” referendum and in a Jan. 6 BBC interview said that he wants to renegotiate Britain’s relationship with Europe, not sever it. But as he seeks to pacify the euroskeptics in his own ranks and to battle the threat from UKIP, he has done little to articulate the dangers to Britain of leaving the E.U. His speech on Europe, which he is tipped to deliver in the Netherlands as early as next week, may seek to redress that balance as anxieties mount in Britain and among its allies. “Other countries are waking up to the fact that the conversations [about leaving the EU] are even taking place,” says Dr. Robin Niblett, director of Chatham House in London, adding that Britain hasn’t been cast in a favorable light because of it. On Jan. 9, the Obama administration warned that a British exit of the EU would run counter to American interests. “More than most others,” said assistant secretary of state for European and Eurasian Affairs Philip H. Gordon, “[Britain's] voice within the European Union is essential and critical to the United States.”

But there’s another British voice that’s being heard increasingly loudly, and it makes a case for splendid isolation.  Farage is confident that the headway his party has made in the national political scene will have a lasting impact. “Five years from now, UKIP will have changed the face of British politics,” he told the Guardian. While five years down the road is hard for anyone to predict, at least one of Farage’s forecasts has already proven itself true.  UKIP has successfully changed the national debate – and maybe Europe’s political landscape.

29 comments
UK_Justice_Forum
UK_Justice_Forum

We conducted a POLL last week and the overwhelming number of respondents want the UK to exit Europe.  

Says it all really!



Ocsicnarf
Ocsicnarf

Perhaps it is better for Europe to get rid of UK, but I believe that will be poor business for Britons.  The EU cannot be summed up as paying for French farmers' pools.

famulla5
famulla5 like.author.displayName 1 Like

Just think if we come out of the EU all the money that goes to french farmers that build swimming pools in their barns can actually go to our own English farmers.  All the billions that is given away in foreign aid can be plunged into our proud NHS.  All our kids leaving school have the ability to take up a real trade instead of the cheap £10 a week schemes that comes to nothing.  All the new jobs that could be made clearing all the failed asylum seekers out and all the illegals out making this country safer for our future children.  Showing people who move here from other countries the real British people and our hospitality instead of the politically correct brigade telling us what we can and can't say or do.  But I suppose to get that the British people wouldn't have to fight wars in other countries like our ancestors did, we just have to get up and revolt against these silver spoon people who doesn't hear us even when we are shouting at our loudest.  We say in our comments that actions speak louder than words to these politicians yet we just sit on our backsides and do what I am doing now. Long live the blog army for the only thing we do to rise up is to go in the kitchen and make a cup of tea.  The politicians are where they want to be.  They will never change.  It is really up to someone to stand up and motivate people to fight this government head on in the streets, at downing street  as explained ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.  Anyway it's my time to rise up and do what I am best at, putting the kettle on while I look for other pages to write comments on.  We British are really lame aren't we?One last thing, I'm not going to say vote UKIP because I don't know what their policies are or who they are but one things for sure we need change before it really is to late, somehow we need to stop these politicians from giving our freedom away and our children's futures. I thank you FirozaliA.Mulla DBA

famulla5
famulla5

 Will these amount be paid and how as EURI bleed from all sides Spain's Treasury said on Monday it aimed to issue up to 10 billion euros ($13.35 billion) in debt this week.Spainsaid it would issue between 4.5 billion and 5.5 billion euros of 12 and 18-month Treasury bills on Tuesday and between 3.5 billion and 4.5 billion euros of bondsdue 2015, 2018 and 2041 on Thursday. ($1 = 0.7493 euros) I thank you Firozali A.Mulla DBA



famulla5
famulla5

European equities stalled on Friday, with weak economic data from the United States and concerns about the scope for more stimuli in China giving investors the excuse to lock in profits on a New Year rally to multi-month highs. The US trade deficit unexpectedly grew in November, suggesting that fourth quarter gross domestic product growth in the world's biggest economy would likely be lower than previously expected. The FTS Euro first 300 index provisionally closed 0.1 per cent lower at 1,163.40 points, retreating from Thursday's two-year peak of 1,170.29 hit on the coat tails of last-minute end-2012 US budget deal to avert steep austerity measures. "We got some fantastic returns in the early days of this year. If we look at valuation and momentum indicator it seems like this rally is reaching the ceiling. Looking at the earnings season, we think there is more downside risk than upside risk on earnings," Peter Garnry, strategist at Saxo Bank, said. "If you take a tactical position around this, you would either underweight European equities or sell out. If you are really aggressive you could go short, and the (German) DAX could be a good way to do that." Others have also started to turn more cautious on equities, with Bank of America Merrill Lynch, Credit Suisse, Cheuvreux and Goldman Sachs all warning of a possible near-term consolidation or even correction. "The probability of a major correction in risk markets in the first half of 2013 is rising particularly because investor sentiment has simply leapt higher in recent weeks,"  I thank you Firozali A.Mulla DBA

jisco
jisco

No, but then do not use it the other way yourself

famulla5
famulla5

Fiscal situation may worsen due to rising inflation, decline in economic growth and global slowdown, industry body Assocham said today. 


"With little room available for taking counter-cyclical fiscal measures, India's faltering growth coupled with unresponsive inflation can push the country's economy to a precarious situation which could be closer to the one prevailing at the time of 1991 economic crisis," it said. 


It also said that continued turbulence in the global economic conditions and widening infrastructure deficiencies are the major challenges for India's growth story. 


"If appropriate action is not taken in time, we are likely to be in situation worse than the one in 1991 for several reasons," the Assocham study said. 


It added that with public finances remaining in great stress, fiscal deficit may even touch 6.1 per cent of GDP in the current financial year.  I thank you Firozali A.Mulla DBA

ChristofSchumann
ChristofSchumann

The whole idea of europe was to enslave the german people. Now that it turned vice versa, the ruling aristocracy, including the queen, and the other constitutional monarchies of BelgiumDenmarkLuxembourg NetherlandsNorwaySpainSweden, are appalled by the idea to play a minor role. As long as Germany played the paymaster for these toffs everything was fine, but now with the financial meltdown dragging on since 2008 and endangering their wealth, the gloves are off.

jisco
jisco

@ChristofSchumann Odd to hear a german say that Europe wants to enslave the german people! Who enslaved other european peoples - Belgians (I was one of the slaves), Dutch among others - during two wars? Europe has been built to prevent that from happening again. Germany  may think that they are now the paymaster but they should not forget how much damage they caused and cost us. 

Belisarius86
Belisarius86 like.author.displayName 1 Like

@jisco @ChristofSchumann 

Does this argument have an expiration date? Or do the other Europeans plan to keep using this to extract money from Germany forever?

JosephMateus
JosephMateus

I say let them go. The rest of the European Union (EU) doesn't need Britain. They are nothing but a bunch of conceited arrogant pretentious presumptuous trouble makers who enjoy making like difficult for their other EU partners. They also STILL have a most abhorrent insidious pretense of a British Empire.

There is no way on earth that the rest of the EU should allow for such a member with distinct extra rights above all others. Britain should not be allowed to have its Queen Elizabeth II also as head of state of other independent nations outside the EU, especially the more important ones, such as Canada, Australia and New Zealand and still be a full member of the EU. This smacks of outright British colonialism in the 21 century. This kind of subversive surreptitious colonialism disguised as "British Commonwealth"  is most anachronistic, perfidious and pernicious when you take into consideration that no other nation in the EU has its Head of State also as Head of State of other ex-colonies which are now fully independent nations outside the european continent.

Disco_House
Disco_House like.author.displayName 1 Like

@JosephMateus 

Well that comment by Joseph Mateus tells us all we needed to know about Continental Johnnies and their insecurities.

I hope to wake up in the morning and find fog across the English Channel and Europe cut off.

JosephMateus
JosephMateus

Disco_House,

The fact that Queen Elizabeth II is the unelected head of the British Commonwealth, stays in such position for life and after she dies the position goes to her heirs only, shows that this is a post colonial nepotistic organization, in fact still is a "modern" colonial system in a surreptitious subversive insidious perfidious pernicious way. It is feudal, medieval and highly dictatorial. If in fact the Commonwealth was a truly benevolent benign democratic organization, then the position of head of the Commonwealth should be democratically open to any member nations and elected by one of all the member nations, and not for the exclusive reserved use of the Windsor family.

BigBob
BigBob

@JosephMateus  

The common wealth was established to promote trade and cultural exchanges between former british colonies that had transitioned to being independent nation states.  No one forced these countries to join, they did so because it was structured in a way that benefited all the members.  Canada, Australia , New Zealand and  a number of other commonwealth countries chose to retain the British monarch as a head of state. However the role is ceremonial. All of these countries are free to choose whom ever they want as their head of state. In fact it regularly comes up in political debate in Australia but to date they have chosen to retain the current position. If these countries choose to change the situation and become republics they are quite free to do so through their own democratically elected governments. Indeed they are quite free to withdraw from the commonwealth if they so choose.

JosephMateus
JosephMateus

Disco_House, you have other members of the EU who also used to be colonial powers, namely Spain, France, Holland Portugal and Italy. However when all this countries lost their colonies and signed out, they all took their Head of State with them and the new independent countries all acquired their own local Head of State. Most unfortunately, this is not the case with Britain. Even as though Canada, Australia and New Zealand are all fully independent countries, no longer British colonies nor Dominions, Queen Elizabeth II continues being the absent Head of State in these nations. Now this is most incongruous, anachronistic, nepotistic and aberrant. In fact there are today British Commonwealth nations who have their own Head of State, like India, Nigeria, Kenya South Africa etc., and that is the way it should be. The rest such as Jamaica, Canada, Australia and New Zealand should also all be parliamentary republics with their own local Head of State, not the absentee foreigner Queen Elizabeth II that doesn't even live in these nations nor represent any of these nations.

JosephMateus
JosephMateus

Disco_House this is very simple. Either Britain removes Queen Elizabeth II as Head of State of Canada, Australia and New Zealand and the "British Commonwealth" drops the name "British" and becomes a democratic institution with an elected leader every four years or else just get the heck out of the European Union (EU) altogether. You want to have it both ways, but it doesn't work that way. Britain cannot have the cake and eat it too.

mrbomb13
mrbomb13 like.author.displayName 1 Like

Let's say we frame this issue as, "What's in the best interests of Great Britain (GB)?"

Currently, the situation is akin to GB being tied to the steadily-sinking Titanic that is the European Union.  No matter how strong a ship GB is (even in its days as the world's pre-eminent naval power), it will not be able to escape being 'pulled under' by the colossal weight of the EU.  GB and other creditor nations (i.e. Germany) cannot be held responsible for the mismanaged economies of other countries (i.e. Greece, Spain, Portugal).

So, is it in GB's best interests to be pulled down by the super-structure of the EU?  Common sense and conventional wisdom would seem to indicate, "no."

I would also like to note the indiscreet demagoguery at play, with David Cameron referring to UKIP as anti-immigration, anti-modern Europe, etc..  If you research the UKIP's party platforms, the party is not the "fringe" group which TIME Magazine claims.  

DavyCrockett
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What Britain joined in 1973 was the EEC (European Economic Community), a loose grouping of six leading European countries, the primarily goal of which was to improve international competitiveness.  What Britain is in today is the EU (European Union), a collection of 27 diverse and in some cases backward countries which has both economic and political goals. Unfortunately, the goals of the EU are not only unrealistically ambitious, but the whole evolution of the project has been hopelessly mismanaged by people who are essentially incompetent for the job.  The only hope that something can be sacrificed from this terrible experiment is that the EU returns back to its EEC origins: in its present state it has no future. The British would be better off leaving the sinking ship; unfortunately, under the guidance of the dithering, hopeless current PM David Cameron this will take a long time.  It would therefore be better to elect Nigel Farrage of UKIP, whose other policies for the UK (eg, immigration) also make much more sense than those of the established parties.

jisco
jisco

@DavyCrockett When I read you, it confirms me in the opinion that de Gaulle was right when he said that the six original members of the Common Market - that was the name of th EU at the time - should never accept the UK as a member.

KountyKobbler
KountyKobbler

Just as soon as the Britt's exit  the T party Sara Palin  will find a way to enter  and blame it on  anyone they can.. (and were not even  in Europe.)

jisco
jisco

Remember that famous title in a british newspaper: "fog on the Channel. Continent isolated"? The Uk should never have entered the EU because they do not feel european. They saved continental Europe twice, but they nevertheless see Europe as a foreign entity. All they are interested in is the Common Market. So, they better leave the EU rather than blocking it with their vetoes.

Disco_House
Disco_House

@jisco

Britain's greatest Foe was a man who achieved what Philip II of Spain, Louis XIV and Napoleon all failed to do — who in fact makes their efforts look amateurish.

A man who successfully neutralised the one country that had always stubbornly resisted continental dictatorships. A man who helped unite all the Channel and North Sea ports under one state, historically Britain’s major fear.

A man who broke the close alliance between Britain and those Commonwealth countries whose troops had fought and died for the mother country only 30 years previously, by destroying their trade. Who destroyed Britain’s merchant navy. Who brought the island under the rule of foreign courts, and ended “a thousand years of history” by willingly surrendering Britain's sovereignty to an alien, undemocratic institution. A man who willingly lied and lied again to conceal the true intentions and aims of the foreign power he was working for, all the time saying it was “completely unjustified” that we would “sacrifice independence and sovereignty” by following his lead.

Step forward the Right Honourable Sir Edward Heath KG MBE. Washington, Rommel and Atatürk have nothing on him. 

As Cicero wrote: “A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.”

PapaFoote
PapaFoote

The Old Mountain Goat's "mind" is very straight about "Certain Things" - "SEPARATE" but "EQUAL" will "NOT WORK" for "OUR EARTH PLANET"!

"IT" won't work for any "NATION" either!

"ALL FOR ONE - ONE FOR ALL" IS THE ONLY WAY!

famulla5
famulla5

Britain's finance ministerGeorge Osborne told a German newspaper Friday that the European Unionmust change the way it deals with its member states if it aims to keep Britain in its ranks. 

"I hope very much that Britain remains a member of the EU," the Chancellor of the Exchequer told daily Die Welt, in remarks published in German

"But for us to stay in the European Union, the EU must change." 

He indirectly criticised a German drive for closer coordination within the 27-country bloc as part of efforts to get at the root of problems behind the eurozone debt crisis. 

"We welcome the euro being strengthened but we also want the rights of the countries that are not part of the euro to be protected under these changes," Osborne said.  This is from INDIA TIMES SAY THEY ARE FAST I thank you Firozali A.Mulla DBA

BigBob
BigBob
BigBob
BigBob

@famulla5

The federalists are to blame for most of the mess Europe is in. They saw the Euro as the means to take the next big step to a United States of Europe, a european nation state. In fact they were so desperate to achieve this that they ignored their own rules for joining the Euro and deliberately turned a blind eye to the obviously false accounts of countries that should never have joined the Euro.

Having forced this through without regard or concern for the consequences they now want to take the next step without regard or concern for the consequence. They simply refuse to accept the mistakes they made with the Euro and blame everyone except themselves.

The reality is like the sea and the tide is turning against the federalists, Sadly the federalists are a bit like King Canute. He could not turn back the tide and neither can they..


RaymondFinch
RaymondFinch like.author.displayName 1 Like

UKIP are not for isolationism. UKIP wish the UK to trade freely in a globalised marketplace.

As for the stance on immigration. The present situation, due to our being in the EU, is akin to the USA allowing unrestricted immigration from Mexico due to NAFTA. Is President Obama in favour of that?