How the Santa Maria Fire Could Mark a Turning Point for Brazil

Many of the dead in the fire were young science and engineering students — just the kind of experts the country needs to advance into the ranks of the first world. Has the time come for Brazil to make sure its legal system works to prevent big and small abuses that may hamper its overall economic future?

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A man stands around coffins containing the remains of victims after the bodies were identified at a gymnasium in Santa Maria, Brazil, on Jan. 27, 2013

On Sunday night, Brazilian websites began posting the names, photos and bios of the more than 230 victims of that morning’s horrific nightclub fire in the southern city of Santa Maria. What stands out is that half of them were college students from the Universidade Federal de Santa Maria’s agronomy department. Among them: André Cadore Bosser, a forestry-engineering student; Benhur Retzlaff Rodrigues, a civil-engineering student; Susiele Cassol, just 19, a food-engineering student. Beautiful, bright kids. And, as it turns out, kids Brazil particularly needed.

(PHOTOS: Chaos Outside Brazil Nightclub Fire That Killed More than 200)

Any death in a senseless catastrophe like this is heartbreaking, and a college student’s life is certainly no more valuable than anyone else’s. But the mass demise of science scholars carries a potent symbolism for Brazil — especially for President Dilma Rousseff, who through her Science Without Borders program has made it a crusade to produce tens of thousands more STEM (science, technology, engineering and mathematics) graduates as the South American giant reaches for a developed future that seems so close but in many ways remains so far. Rousseff said perhaps more than she knew when she arrived on the coffin-clogged streets of Santa Maria on Sunday and called the carnage in front of her “a tragedy for all of us” in Brazil. It is, in fact, a tragedy that may mark a turning point for the nation.

And, despite its searing pain, a potentially useful turning point. For the past decade, Brazil has celebrated a remarkable boom that made it the world’s sixth largest economy. It added almost 40 million people to the middle class — creating almost 20 millionaires a week at one point. But that carnaval has stalled: Brazil saw just 1% economic growth last year, and it has to get a lot more serious about structural reforms, from less corruption and red tape to more infrastructure and high tech, if it’s going to take its next step to the First World — and if it wants to be a successful host of next year’s soccer World Cup and the 2016 Summer Olympics in Rio de Janeiro.

(VIDEO: Raw Footage of Chaotic Emergency Response to Brazil Nightclub Fire)

Santa Maria, in that regard, could turn out to be a wake-up call. That’s not so much because the fire will raise complaints about lax Third-World practices — lest we forget, the U.S. suffered a similar nightclub blaze 10 years ago in Rhode Island that killed 100 — but rather because it comes at a moment when Brazil is already feeling a little less samba and a little more sober as it assesses where it is and where it’s going. In a more immediate sense, yes, that should include quotidian concerns like nightclub regulation. Brazil has experienced a massive expansion in credit-card ownership, which ought to make customer transactions at clubs like Kiss, the site of the Santa Maria inferno, an easier and more reliable process. Yet too many club owners in developing countries like Brazil continue the archaic practice of blocking the exits late at night to make sure patrons don’t skip out on their tabs. Survivors allege that security guards were indeed obstructing the only accessible door at the illegally overcrowded Kiss as people tried to flee the fire and their bodies began piling up.

But that criminal image is also bound to make Brazil’s 200 million people more introspective in a broader sense. Authorities have begun to make arrests in Santa Maria, including those of club owners and members of the band that allegedly shot flares during its stage act and started the fire (which also injured some 200 people). Still, there are few institutions that Brazilians doubt more — and few institutions that do more, they say, to inhibit the nation’s modernization — than their legal system, which even the chief justice of Brazil’s Supreme Tribunal of Justice recently said seems set up to make sure powerful people never see prison when they break the law.

(MORE: Tale of Two Corruptos: Brazil and Mexico on Different Transparency Paths)

In fact, Brazil just finished the largest and most high-profile corruption trial in its history, and 25 people — including José Dirceu, the chief of staff of former President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva — were convicted. Many Brazilians are skeptical that prison sentences for figures like Dirceu will ever be carried out, largely because it’s never happened before in Brazil. But if Brazil wants to be the kind of country where small-time nightclub club owners in Santa Maria fear the law, it’s got to be the kind of country where big-time political brokers in Brasília fear the law.

And if it wants to become a developed economy, it also needs tens of thousands more scientists and engineers. The good news is that Rousseff, herself an economist, looks serious about battling corruption and promoting technology. The pictures of bright young Brazilian science students dying in feloniously negligent circumstances may move Brazilians to take those matters more seriously alongside her. If so, then some of Brazil’s positive future may rise out of the ashes of Santa Maria.

MORE: Brazil’s Largest Corruption Trial Yields Its Most Important Guilty Verdict

81 comments
OlgaZunino
OlgaZunino

I like Brazil, I'm from England, and I do not understand how a power like Brazil could let such a thing happen, Brazilians have everything to be the masters of the world, but the problem is that they have not discovered it or do not believe that importance, I have read many comments about the corruption that is in your country, and I could only laugh, you hate the country of you because of it? I can not believe in such nonsense, be proud, this is the warning of progress.

mbemerguy
mbemerguy

@elizondogabriel @TimPadgett2 Lots of bias.

alemaopizoni
alemaopizoni

@thadeumalta Capa da ZH de segunda usou a mesma foto.

tubarc
tubarc

‘NULL VOTE IN THE NEXT 236 YEARS’ – ‘each year for each soul wasted’. A challenge suggested by ‘Tubarc’ a PhD scientist thrown in the trash in a similar way like those college students. For justice we need to make Brazil the country of NULL VOTE so the international community understand our suffering, disappointment, and regret about the government we have. The vote is mandatory, so we intend to cancel our votes to show we reject a fake, expensive, inefficient, and corrupt democracy that constantly fail management on public affairs that hurts in the core our human dignity. It is launched this challenge to make SANTA MARIA and KISS NIGHTCLUB the center of change in Brazil revealing our creativity and resolve to make ends meet. If we are so talented on soccer, samba, and carnival, together we can be also the democratic country of NULL VOTE. We need to use this tragedy honoring those erased so vainly as a power for changes and making it happen for the good of us all.

FabrícioSanfelice
FabrícioSanfelice like.author.displayName 1 Like

You seems see our reality better than a thousand of our authorities and journalists. Congrats!

andreischneider
andreischneider

Fantastic point of view, very accurate about the country's moment.

eduardobmoller
eduardobmoller

I agree that this will be a turning point. But there is an important detail in the majority of the analysis that is forgotten.

The middle class boom is because the minimum per capita income to be classified is frozen. 

Now, if you have a minimum per capita income of R$ 300 (U$ 150)/month, you are in the middle class. So, a family with 2 kids is in the middle class with U$ 7,800 / year. 

GustavoFaria
GustavoFaria

I'm Brazilian, and i agree with you. I think we should put a lot of money in education, and reforma our legal sistem, to make it viable...

DomMartin
DomMartin

This article was tacky and gratuitous/Este artigo foi de mau gosto.

AmandaLassak
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Brazil has lots of governmental problems, this is true. However, as a journalist you shoud at least have the sense of contextualizing more your topic. Not all the tragedies are essentially related to structural economy/politics deficiency. 

JosephMateus
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Mr. Tim Padgett you wrote above: "their legal system, which even the chief justice of Brazil’s Supreme Tribunal of Justice recently said seems set up to make sure powerful people never see prison when they break the law."   Hummmmmmmmmmmmmm, that reminds me of president Jerry Ford giving an unconditional pardon to Nixon in 1974... after he was appointed president. This just goes to show you that the same crap happens in the USA. Therefore you should go and clean up your own backyard before you condemn somebody else's.

HelHickm
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@JosephMateus

No, you fool! The "same crap" does not happen here, I can assure you!  I have lived in the USA for 44 years, and have come to dearly appreciate this to be a country of law and order!  Something you can't even dream of having in Brazil!  I know! I lived there and know better! I  am so very proud of what I can now call MY COUNTRY, for I am a proud naturalized American citizen!

I lived in your country for 10 years, and wish never to ever return!  You are the laziest and most corrupt bunch, who, like ;you, INSTEAD of doing something to better your country, is quick to point the finger and make specious ignorant comments! 

Fools like you deserve to live where you do!  Praise God, I got out of there, and wish never to return, not even for a brief visit! The filth and lawlessness I witnessed in past visits is enough to last me for a lifetime!

I feel nothing but disgust for your kind!

JosephMateus
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HelHickm you don't even have the guts to write your real name here. You are nothing but a rotten no good coward.And as far as laziness is concerned, it is you god darn USA that has gotten itself 6 trillion in additional debt in the last four years, with millions of good middle class job losses, reducing the middle class to a point that there are only the rich and the poor. Totally on the contrary Brazil has been growing leaps and bounds in the last 7 years with an average economic growth of more than 7 % year, compared to a miserable 1% growth annually in the USA. Brazil has taken 40 million people out of poverty in the last ten years into the middle class, whereas the USA has driven 40 million of their citizens into poverty during the same time.

Therefore you are totally wrong: Quite on the contrary, the Brazilians are honest hard working people, and you estadounidenses are the real lazy crazy degraded debased and corrupt ones. Just look at the total mess you USA is in. You totally disgust me. And stay the hell out of Brazil, they don't need you there and they don’t want you there. Go back to your god darn hole in the ground where you belong and stay there you dirty filthy insidious pernicious subversive perfidious pervasive devious rat. You disgust me totally and completely. You are a total disgrace for the human race, that’s why you are a rat, not human.

JosephMateus
JosephMateus

HelHickm, you are the only stupid fool here. First of all Brazil is not my country and I am no Brazilian. I am a Canadian and I live in Canada. I just happen to be smarter than you as I also speak and write Portuguese. You you have lived in the USA for 44 years but you still haven't seen the light. That is really really deplorable. Secondly if you don't believe that the same or even worse firearms deaths and massacres are happening in the USA, then you must either have your thick head buried in the ground up to your neck for the last 44 years, or else you have been in cloud 9 dreaming a most preposterous Pollyanna Snow White & Seven Dwarfs dream. I vehemently recommend that you come down from cloud nine, give your thick head a good shake, wake up from your most ridiculous dream world, smell the coffee, smarten up and get on the ball.

TiagoCammarataPrux
TiagoCammarataPrux

Que amontuado de merdas que um imbecil norte-americano é capaz de falar sobre coisas que não conhece. Deve ser mais um principiante de psicopata que invade cinemas armados para matar pessoas que discordam de sua opinião.

Escrevo em português, sim, porque é o MÍNIMO que espero de quem está escrevendo sobre o meu país. USA, a vergonha do mundo, falando sobre Santa Maria, como se tivesse alguma propriedade para isso. 

Apenas para lembrar, seu presidente CAGOU para vocês no desastre que viveram.

FabrícioSanfelice
FabrícioSanfelice

@TiagoCammarataPruxSorry, Tiago, but as a brazilian and citizen of Santa Maria I have to tell you that you didn't understand anything about the journalist just said. He just said the truth! In Brazil we are fully accustomed to see just the "small" going to jail while the "big fishes", that deviate our money that should go to our health and educational system to their pocket and never getting arrested. You should review what you said and start to read a little more before open your "mouth". And write in English (or try, like me), we are not in a Brazilian site.

NáthalieDaSilvaSiqueira
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@TiagoCammarataPrux Que "amontuado" de merdas que o senhor escreveu. Ele não está julgando o nosso país pelo ponto de vista do país dele, ele está analisando o que precisamos fazer para nos tornarmos um país de primeiro mundo. Como mais um analfabeto funcional no Brasil, o senhor não percebeu que ele apenas falou verdades. E ainda reclama por ele escrever em inglês, quando ele está escrevendo não para o Brasil, mas para o mundo, em um site de um jornal americano, ou seja, ele está escrevendo em sua lingua natal, assim como jornalistas brasileiros em jornais brasileiros falando sobre os Estados Unidos escrevem em português.
Não se finja de cego. Precisamos realmente punir os nossos politicos, e pensar em uma reforma, não só politica, mas cultural. E apenas soltar um monte de palavrões, e gritar os erros dos outros não ajuda ninguém. O que ajuda é refletir sobre o que está sendo dito, e refletir no que podemos melhorar.

Por favor, antes de parecer mais um brasileiro ignorante na internet, pense duas vezes, e se não tiver nada construtivo a comentar, simplesmente não fale nada.

HelHickm
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@NáthalieDaSilvaSiqueira @TiagoCammarataPrux  

Obrigada! Eu precisava ler algo inteligente escrito por alguem do Brasil!
Por certo, em vez de tentar melhorar a condicao existente no Brazil, a ignorancia de algums so lhes fazem apontar o dedo aquilo que eles por certo nao sabem!
Eu ja moro nos EUA ha mais de 44 anos, sou naturalizada, porque algo que aqui existe de sobrar e' ordem e respeito pela lei!  Disso no Brasil nem sabem, nem no minimo! E isso e' muito triste!

Ontem, de coracao constrangido, fiz-me ouvir o seu lindo hino nacional, do qual sempre falo como sendo o mais bonito que jamais ouvi, cheio de palavras lindas... que valem nada hoje em dia!

Nao lhe quero offender, mas eu cresci ai, e sei do que estou falalndo! Tenho um lugar muito dolorido pelo Brasil em meu coracao, um Brasil para o qual jamais quero retornar!  As visitas que fiz no passado so me faz desgostar dele, mais e mais! As paisagems nao valem a bagunca no qual o pais inteiro parece viver!

Eu lhe desejo do melhor! Deus queira, como esse artigo diz, que isso abra o olhos do povo, um povo que para sempre esta a dizer "deixa pra la" por serem muito preguicosos para mudarem as coisas ai! "Deixa pra la" custa vidas, vidas jovens que nem haviam comecado a viver!

JosephMateus
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Nathalie da Silva Sequeira, é de fato voce que não tem nada de construtivo a comentar, portanto é voce que se deve calar para não demonstar a sua tremenda ignorancia e arrogante estupidez na Internet.

FabrícioSanfelice
FabrícioSanfelice

@JosephMateus So Joseph, as a "Santamariense" that lost a lot of friends in this tragedy I have to tell you: you just don't know a shit about our country and our reality. If you never come to Brazil, if you never live here, you can't tell what we are living! All those deaths could be avoided if our governament were making their job. E, também, tu é o único que está escondido atras da proteção das palavras e da internet para desferir tais ofensas a outra pessoa com uma opinião contrária a tua. Com absoluta certeza, frente a frente com a tragédia e com qualquer um de nós, tu diminuirias o teu tom de voz e pensaria duas vezes antes de abrir a boca para falar isso.

JosephMateus
JosephMateus

Nathalie da Silva Sequeira, é voce que esté totalmente errada. Voce não entendeu o que o Sr. Tiago Prux queria dizer. Independentemente de sua analise de que os brasileiros precisam de fazer para se tornarem um pais de primeiro mundo, o Sr. Tim Padgett perde toda sua autoridade moral quando condena o Brasil por fazer as mesmas coisas que eles praticam nos EUA. Tim Padgett não passa de um miseravel hipocrita, por que antes de condenar e apontar as falhas do Brasil ele devia primeiro denunciar e corrigir as falhas ainda mais graves em seu proprio pais, os EUA. Por exemplo, no Brasil não se veem assassinos em massa com semi metralhadoras como nos EUA a todos os meses. Voce devia ter vergonha de si mesma e pedir desculpa com toda a humildade ao Sr. Tiago Cammarata Prux.

JosephMateus
JosephMateus

C03LH0 this is not a matter of refuting what Tim Padgett wrote in his article. Its a matter of honour and principles. Its a matter of being revolted with somebody being contemptuous, presumptuous, pretentious, arrogant. You just don't get it. Even if everything Tim Padgett wrote about Brazil is true that is besides the point. The point here is that Padgett took advantage of this terrible tragedy in Santa Maria RS to condemn Brazilian social political and judicial structure. He went way beyond the subject of the fire at end and started drawing prejudiced presumptuous arrogant negative conclusions. That is highly hypocritical because contrary to what you wrote, north americans don't have the moral right to preach to Brazil neither has Brazil any moral rights to preach to the USA.

JosephMateus
JosephMateus

MauricioNC , e somente voce que vai a tomar no cu, nao eu. Se voce me dissesse isso em pessoa na minha cara eu rebentaria con sua cabeza em mil pedacos. Voece e um deparavado desviado que nao interessa a absolutamente ninguem 

3 hours ago

JosephMateus
JosephMateus

MauricioNC é somente voce que vai a tomar no cu, não eu. Se me dissesse isso em pessoa na minha cara eu rebentaria com a sua cabeça seu maldito alarve. Mas aqui voce se arma em valentão, escondido por detras de um computador. Voce não passa de um miseravel cobarde sujo e porco. E eu nem sequer sou Brasilerio, nem vivo no Brasil, sou Canadiano. Tenho o prazer de ter aprendido sua lingua para lhe dizer na sua cara que voce é um depravado e desviado, que não respeita a opinião de outros. Voce é que é o unico socialista aqui, não eu. Voce nem sequer tem nenhum senso de justica nem de dignidade. Se tivesse, se revoltaria como eu quando hipocritas falam mal e condenam os outros quando eles proprios não praticam o que apregoam e fazem o mesmo de que condenam outros.

C03LH0
C03LH0

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C03LH0
C03LH0

@JosephMateus

Could you please quote me on saying that "the same crap does not happen in the USA"? Are you a functional illiterate, along with +20% of our population that is unable to make sense out of a text larger than a tweet?

I did not say that, Jar Jar, I merely stated that the fact that the U.S have similar problems does not make what the author said about our country less legitimate. 

Yes, I am telling you that Brazil`s violence is worse than in the US. Yes, I did read the official crime statistics for both nations, and I wasn`t surprised at all:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2012/jul/22/gun-homicides-ownership-world-list

Another one: 

http://g1.globo.com/mundo/noticia/2011/10/brasil-tem-3-maior-taxa-de-homicidios-da-america-do-sul-diz-onu.html

And another one:

http://port.pravda.ru/cplp/brasil/11-10-2011/32283-brasil_homicidios-0/

Brazil`s Homicide by firearm rate per 100,000 pop:  18.1

USA`s Homicide by firearm rate per 100,000 pop: 2.97


if you want to make an argument about a subject, do your homework: some research won`t kill you, I promise. 

And by the way, it doesn`t matter. If you had comprehension skills compatible to your age, you would have understood by now that my point is that no matter how bad things are in the country the author lives in, it does not make his argument about another country a lie. That`s pure dumb, childish and idiotic patriotism.

He did not write that the US is better than Brazil.

He did not write that Brazil should be more like the US.

He wrote about our reality and suggested some steps we could take in order to make our way towards a better country.

Again, when will you refute a single line of argument of what he said?



MauricioNC
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@JosephMateus Claro, Sr. Joseph. Somente você e o antiamericano que escreveu lá em cima é que estão certos. Todo o resto está errado. Vocês, antiamericanos, são os donos da verdade e da justiça universal e só escrevem coisas que interessam a todos. Qualquer outro com opinião contrária, para vocês, não passam de idiotas. E claro, para você, num artigo no qual o Tim Padgett fala exclusivamente do Brasil, ele deveria falar igualmente dos EUA só porque vocês e seus amiguinhos esquerdistas acham que ele deveria. Vocês são arrogantes e convencidos. São daqueles que, como se dizia antigamente, que tem "um rei na barriga". 

Por que a Nathalie  teria"vergonha de si mesma" por não ter uma opinião igual a sua? Nem ela e nem ninguém tem que pedir desculpas para o Tiago ou para você por não falar rigorosamente como vocês. Quem são vocês, pessoas que NUNCA devem ser contrariadas? Os americanos têm SIM muito mais moral para nos dar lições do que os brasileiros para os americanos. Olhem o que eles são e olhe para a bosta do Brasil.

Todos os massacres cometidos nos EUA foram idealizados por LOUCOS e PSICOPATAS, que não respondem pela maioria da população deste país. Vocês, os anti-eua, adoram generalizar todo o povo americano por causa de meia dúzia de malucos. O número de pessoas mortas no Brasil é maior do que nos EUA. Cinco vezes maior. Pare de mentir e distorcer os dados. E olha só quem vem falar em "senso de dignidade e justiça"! Justamente quem não nem uma coisa e nem outra e não tolera o contraditório. Mais armas nas mão de pessoas de bem, menos crimes. Você sabe disso. Aprendeu a escrever em inglês mas não apreendeu a realidade. Entendeu?

E vai tomar no cu. Você o Tiago "Camarada". Pessoas como vocês (se não forem a mesma pessoa) não merecem educação e polidez. 

NáthalieDaSilvaSiqueira
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@JosephMateus De novo, peço que leiam com atenção o que eu escrevi e tentem interpretar.

Mas eu explico de novo. O senhor Tim Padgett não está criticando o Brasil ou comparando o Brasil com os EUA. Ele está explicitando coisas que para qualquer brasileiro deveriam, enfase ao deveriam, ser óbvias, como a necessidade de uma reforma tanto politica quanto cultural. Em momento algum ele comentou algo como "O nosso maravilhoso país, EUA, faz isso de maneira muito melhor e eficiente". Muito pelo contrário, ele explica que para o Brasil se tornar um país de primeiro mundo (e os EUA não é o único país de primeiro mundo na Terra), precisa reavaliar vários defeitos, como a falta de interesse da nossa população por politica e a nossa falta de respeito pela lei e pelos seus aplicadores.

Eu não tenho vergonha de mim mesma, senhor Joseph, pois eu apenas explicitei a minha opinião. Nunca, na minha vida, terei vergonha disso. E também não pedirei desculpas para uma pessoa que o tipo de argumento é "Apenas para lembrar, seu presidente CAGOU para vocês no desastre que viveram.".

Como todos vocês, também sou brasileira, mas não fecho os meus olhos aos problemas do meu país, muito pelo contrário. E se vejo um texto de qualquer lugar do mundo falando sobre o Brasil, não penso que eles tem mais problemas do que eu, e sim em como posso melhorar e resolver esses problemas. Fechar os olhos e atirar pedras, felizmente, não ajuda ninguém, e é exatamente com a atitude de "nosso país é perfeito, errado é o seu" que chegamos ao ponto em que estamos.

Espero ter me explicado melhor dessa vez. Obrigada.

JosephMateus
JosephMateus

C03LH0, Aprenda primerio os padrões e normas de justiça e dignidade antes de escrever suas asneiras aqui. Sem senso de dignidade nem de justiçca, voce não passa de um alarve imbecil palhaço aqui a escrever porcarias e bobagens que não interessam a absolutamente ninguem.

JosephMateus
JosephMateus

CO3LH0, you re the only INFANTE DO PRIMARIO HERE here. You also are the only one who is suffering from Alzheimer's, not me. I veementhly recommend that you come down from cloud nine, wake up from your most preposterous Snow White & Seven Dwarfs dream, give you thick head a good shake, smell the coffee, smarten up and get on the ball. What do you mean the same crap doesn't happen in the USA? Remember the school massacre in Massachusetts just a few weeks ago with semi automatic rifle where 20 innocent children an 6 teachers got massacred? Remember the movie theatre massacre in Aurora Colorado a little earlier? Remember Virgina Tech massacre? Remember Columbine?

Are you telling us that Brazil's violence is worse than this? You are fool of crap, and you disgust me totally. Look the fact is that the USA has the worse gun violence of all the western world, yes, it is even worse than Brazil. Don't take my word for it all you have to do is to read the official crime statistics and you will find out the the USA has the highest number of deaths caused by fire arms in the whole western world, not Brazil. That is the reason why I wrote the North Americans should first clean up their own crap in the USA before thy condemn somebody else's. Where is you sense of justice and dignity? You don't have any because you are just another bloody dirty hypocrite like them.

C03LH0
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@JosephMateus

Você só pode estar brincando. 

"Brasil não se veem assassinos em massa com semi-metralhadoras como nos EUA todos os meses" - esqueceu-se de Realengo? Despertou do coma e não se deu conta das chacinas que ocorrem diariamente nas áreas marginalizadas do país que de tão corriqueiras mal ocupam um canto dos nossos jornais? Por acaso a mente acometida por Alzheimer se esqueceu que a taxa de homicídios causados por armas de fogo no Brasil é CINCO vezes maior do que nos EUA, onde a venda de armas é legalizada?

E ainda vem falar que o autor é hipócrita porque critica um país que não o dele?! Brilhante! Que sejam banidas as críticas por toda a parte, de todos para todos, já que de tal premissa só se pode deduzir a simplória omissão crítica! 

O autor não fez mais que publicar uma opinião sobre a nova realidade do país e da necessária mudança de atitude e mentalidade de um povo e uma liderança para chegarmos ao país que queremos ser. Onde está a incoerência? Reparou que não refutou nem um único argumento exposto no artigo, rendendo-se a um ressentimento que em nada afeta a essência do que foi dissertado?

Chegou a hora de deixarmos de agirmos como infantes do primário, tirar os dedos encerados dos ouvidos e aprendermos a lidar com críticas.

RonaldoMaciel
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Brazil is still very far from being a serious and sobber country. Impunity, violence and corruption are the cancers of the country and government struggles to overcome them (if they are doing any effort, which I'm not that sure). This is sad, because we are a gianormous, strong and diverse country, with very competitive and creative people. However the "jeitinho" is still at play, as part of our culture and habits.

cooofnj
cooofnj

I have been to Brasil many times, working with the wonderful people there. I have found that there is a tremendous diversity of people in Brasil, as there is in the US, with some people ready to party all the time, and some very non-party oriented. I clicked on this particular story because, as a scientist, I am particularly interested in the promotion of science in all countries around the world. Brasil has some fantastic universities and has been graduating top notch scientists for several decades. I am sad to the point of crying for the loss of these young lives. But one thing strikes me as so culturally different between Brasil and the US that I am not sure if I am right, but wanted to post it as a thought. Having gone to several US universities during my academic training, I can't imagine hundreds of science and engineering students in the US out at a nightclub on a Sunday night. Just doesn't happen (at least in my experience, which is admittedly old). STEM students here have 8 am (or earlier) classes on Monday morning (and most other mornings too - the STEM students always seem to start hours earlier than everyone else on campus). On Sunday night I would be polishing up my reports for classes on Monday. Every very once in a while (once a year, maybe?) you might find a slightly larger group of STEM students out drinking beer or something if a special guest was around, but never, never very late. That strikes me as such a difference that it may be one reason why the change in corrupt practices is so hard in Brasil - as one commentator noted, the people have been "trained" to focus on party and soccer for over 50 years. The best way to stop corrupt practice is to not allow yourself to be a party to it. Don't go to the unsafe nightclub where the doors are locked. If the owners lose business they will start following safety codes and in fact advertise it as a marketing claim. Don't shrug your shoulders and ignore things - they only change when the people make it in the best interest of politicians and business people to change. I weep for the loss of lives that happens when people shrug off corruption.

levs
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@cooofnj I understand what you mean but it wasn't a Sunday night, but Saturday to Sunday. And no, it is not common to go to parties on Sunday nights in Brazil.

BrunaFujie
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@cooofnjSorry, but you came to Brazil a few times, but do not live here, that party was to raise funds for graduation,and its a vacation here . so it was great that the number of estudates, largely responsible for this accident is the country not students, country where a fireman, or a policeman earns less than a soccer player, a country where the laws are not obeyed where money speaks louder than the lives of 240 younge people



FabioAt
FabioAt

@cooofnj Its summer vacation for all universities in Brasil right now. Just one more thing, usually in brazil this kind of stablishment have a license that is given by the fire department, which in some cases gave license in exchange for money. But in santa maria they didnt had any license, so I agree with you.

samuelantenor
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You are right on many points, but we need to clarify that the incident was on Saturday night, after midnight. Moreover, Brazil is, in this moment, in the period of summer vacation.

VeronicaPasqualin
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@samuelantenor That's exactly what I was about to say. The party happened on late night Saturday. The tragedy come out at 2 a.m or even before. It is true that cities like Santa Maria, that is famous for its various universities and colleges  have parties during the week, but, yes, we are on summer vacation. Most people, I believe, would not go to a party late night on Sunday if they have to be at the university at 7 a.m. the next day.

FabrícioSanfelice
FabrícioSanfelice

@samuelantenor@VeronicaPasqualin Sorry, but you two are wrong. Right now, we are not on summer vacation. A strike had stoped our college activites for a few months, so, yes, we are having classes yet to recover the time lost. And also, in Brazil, our parties starts at midnight and go till 4~6 a.m. It was a normal saturday until this tragedy. (sorry for bad english)

furbee281
furbee281

Rage against the Machine: Sleep now in the fire (Lyrics)

The lie is my expense
The scope of my desire
The party blessed me with its future
And I protect it with fire
I am the Nina The Pinta The Santa Maria
The noose and the rapist
The fields overseer
The agent of orange
The priests of Hiroshima
The cost of my desire
Sleep now in the fire

d_mangabeira
d_mangabeira

@TimPadgett2 ...and why it won't be a turning point: http://noticias.uol.com.br/cotidiano/ultimas-noticias/2013/01/29/basta-passar-a-comocao-inicial-que-os-erros-se-repetem-diz-autor-de-livro-sobre-maior-incendio-do-brasil.htm?cmpid=cfb-cotidiano-news&fb_action_types=og.recommends&fb_source=other_multiline. It is in portuguese, but I sense you are quite proficient in our language... guess the issue here is about facing and tackling our structural problems, by having the guts to do so. Agree Brazil do needs to, for the sake of our bright future, to care for its brains. But perhaps caring about our brains, we should make sure we still have our hearts pumping stamina so as to enable us to promote real changes. 

celestebiz
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I totally understand your point of view, but I have an idea how hard it is to a foireigner to understand how things work here in Brazil. They may be or look like small-time club owners, but there are lots of other businesses involved - including politics. I'm from Santa Maria, which is a small town but has many influent politicians which have their bases here, such as the governor of the state of Rio Grande do Sul, ministers, 2 former supreme court presidents during Lula and Dilma's government, and and some influent congressmen. Some of these people have businesses with those "small-time" club owners here in Santa Maria. Investigations have just started and haven't started so well. Unfortunately, hope and justice are still hard to find here.

CirleiAC
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É isso mesmo, nosso país precisa de mais sobriedade, seriedade e menos samba, falsa alegria movida por doses cavalares de álcool. É muito bem-vinda a notícia de que alguns prefeitos estão cancelando os gastos com carnaval por priorizarem gastos com saúde.

dalmaluf
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@TimPadgett2 @TIMEWorld You are right. We hope that big corruption continues to be reduced (still seams slow) so that smaller ones could end

saraaugust
saraaugust

@nonlinear oh, please, pay attention in what you are saying, do you have samba in the USA? It's happened to you too... respect please