Filipino Faces Jail Time for ‘Offending Religious Feelings’

Filipino activist Carlos Celdran faces jail time for "offending religious feelings"

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Carlos Celdran holds on prison bars inside the detention cell in Manila,, Oct. 1, 2010.

*This story was updated at 2:21 a.m. Feb. 7, 2013.

Damaso. That was the one-word message, painted on a placard, that activist Carlos Celdran delivered to a group of bishops in Manila Cathedral in a 2010 protest. To many Filipinos, the meaning was instantly clear: Padre Damaso is perhaps the most famous literary character in the Philippines, a corrupt and abusive Spanish priest who is the villain of Jose Rizal’s 1887 novel, Noli Me Tangere. Celdran had barged into the cathedral to protest the church’s efforts to defeat the Reproductive Health (RH) bill, which provides government funding for contraception and sex education. After more than a decade of bitter feuding, the bill was finally signed into law in December. It was a shocking victory, even for many supporters, and a sign that the church was losing some of its sway over the political affairs of a country that is 80% Catholic.

Last week, however, the church and its faithful had a message of their own: not so fast. As a result of his Damaso protest, Celdran was convicted by the Metropolitan Trial Court in Manila for violating an obscure provision of the Revised Penal Code, Article 133, which proscribes against “offending religious feelings.” Free on bail, Celdran awaits sentencing for a term of up to 13 months in prison. Human Rights Watch researcher Carlos Conde called the decision “a setback for free speech in the Philippines.” Article 133, dating back to 1930, was carried over from the criminal code of the Spanish colonial period, which ended in 1898. Celdran’s case is the first time the law has been taken to trial and ruled upon. “I didn’t even know this law existed,” said Conde.

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Celdran’s case has quickly turned into a referendum on the role of the church and the limits of free speech in the Philippines. Once virtually nonexistent, the line between church and state is being examined more closely than ever before, thanks in part to reform-minded President Benigno Aquino III and a new generation of social-media-savvy critics. The incident has also become a vehicle for re-examining the country’s penal code, which is littered with several other outdated provisions. A bill seeking to repeal Article 133 has already been introduced by Senator Pia Cayetano. In a note accompanying the bill, filed on Tuesday, the Senator wrote: “Freedom of speech and expression is essential to a sovereign state. In fact, the curtailment thereof has been one of the main reasons for revolts in the country throughout Philippine history.”

Perhaps that’s why the case has generated so much interest. The strange charge has helped turn Celdran into something of a cause célèbre in the Southeast Asian nation, inspiring Facebook support pages and the Twitter hashtag #FreeCarlosCeldran. The 40-year-old performance artist is already a local celebrity, best known for Walk This Way, a walking tour of Manila that TIME described as “filled with the kind of insight that only a native raconteur can provide.” A statement of support has even come from President Aquino, who was instrumental in the RH law’s passage. The President said, somewhat carefully, that he “may sympathize with Mr. Celdran’s position.”

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The church is also treading delicately around Celdran’s case. The Archdiocese of Manila issued a statement clarifying that it had no part in the prosecution of Celdran, even though it was “deeply disturbed” by his act. The powerful Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines has also distanced itself from the case, saying it has already forgiven Celdran. It was in fact a Catholic layperson, attorney Ronaldo Reyes, who pursued the case on behalf of the state. Harry Roque, a law professor at the University of Philippines, said Article 133 is a form of lèse-majesté and called it “an archaic provision which no longer has a place when the current constitution and human-rights laws now recognize freedom of expression.” Roque is currently in the midst of a different high-profile legal case, a challenge to the so-called cybercrime law, which contains sweeping and vague libel provisions that have sparked an enormous public outcry. (The libel laws are also a holdover from the Spanish penal code.)

What’s happening in the Philippines is not a full-fledged revolt but a re-examination of some of the country’s long-held orthodoxies. The biggest question is what role the church should play in national affairs. Hard-line supporters are already gearing up for challenges to the church’s authority. Jo Imbong, legal counsel for the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines, said the RH law’s passage has “increased the resolve of Catholics to stand their ground.” There is also a moderate strain of clergy and Catholic laypeople that supported the RH law and has been outspoken regarding the Celdran case. “The Catholic Church is pervasive through the Philippine psyche in an absolute manner,” said Celdran, who himself identifies as Catholic.

For now, Celdran continues to lead his Walk This Way tour several times a week. On a recent outing, he did not mention his legal troubles to his audience of about 50, a mix of foreign tourists and Filipinos. But after the tour was over, several people approached him to offer words of support and pose for photos — one even brought a miniature “Damaso” sign for Celdran to hold up. Despite the threat of imminent jail time, Celdran maintains an optimistic take on not only his legal troubles but also on the future of the Philippines. “I’m kind of lucky that I’m in a society that I truly believe in my heart is secular, progressive and logical,” he said. “And I feel like it is very fortunate for me to be in a position that can prove that about our nation.”

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59 comments
lemonkoala
lemonkoala

I'm pretty sure there are Catholics who are offended by the priests' homilies. Can we file a case against the Church?

tonybirch
tonybirch

True freedom is accepting anything that is said of you and your church!!! PERIOD!!! No one should go to jail over words!!! If I wanna talk S@#t about you and your religion...it is my right to do so!!! The laws of the land should have no say with any of that!!!

Miragena
Miragena

"Offending religious feelings."  I really don't understand that concept as a legal basis for a criminal case.  Perhaps a civil case, as I understand from one of the replies that there is a provision for that.

He disrupted an event ongoing in the church.  That sounds more like "disturbing the peace" to me.  Or something similar. If he had been charged under those grounds, I could have understood it.  But "offending religious feelings" is a vague concept at best, and the provision itself is a holdover from the Spanish era - um,  has not the Catholic church matured just a wee bit from those days?

Celdran did respect religious freedom.  He didn't tell anyone to stop going to church, to stop being Catholic, to stop believing in the Catholic faith.  The purpose of his protest was to call attention to the close-mindedness of certain authority figures within the Church to the RH Bill. 

I think it is an immoral thing not to allow a woman the chance to rest her uterus between children, or to deny a couple the chance to celebrate the marital sacrament without fear of bringing a child into the world, that they cannot support. Good for you, if you have the ways and means to support ten children - I know someone who does, who had the babies nearly a year apart in a 15yr marriage.  I also know someone who does not - whose youngest child died because the mother was exhausted and malnourished and the baby was born with a congenital defect as a result.

As well, IIRC, there was a banner headline in the newspapers last year saying that some bishops were advocating excommunication for the politicians who would vote YES to the RH Bill.  Now if that isn't some sort of a threat, I don't know what is.  Some congregations were unfortunate enough to have priests challenging them by implying that if they support the RH Bill they should walk out.  That tactic backfired when people DID walk out.

In the Bible, Jesus is known to have questioned his disciples and accepted questions from them.  So if the founder of our faith could do that, why can't the Catholic Church today?

nelsonaloyola@stpeter.com
nelsonaloyola@stpeter.com

Mr. Celdran's right to freedom of speech is not curtailed.  His actions carried out in a CHURCH which we catholics consider the HOUSE OF GOD is offensive to our religious beliefs.  If Mr. Celdran carried out his act in a MUSLIM MOSQUE by carrying out a placard addressing offensive names against the IMAMS in attendance during a religious ceremony, I cannot imagine what would have happened to him.  He had all the space and time to carry out his protest outside our place of worship but he went too far - to seek attention and popularity [or notoriety].  Rights have accompanying obligations, and exercise of freedom its limitations.  By analogy, try going into the house of your neighbor bearing a placard calling him CORRUPT during a special occasion and see what will happen to you [if you are not lucky].  Muslims put detractors in their death list [or even call a jihad] when their religious sensitivities are seriously offended, yet we do hear much about human rights protests against their actions.  Let us instill respect for the rights and sensibilities of others as we recognize the exercise of one's basic freedom.  Please Mr. Celdran, et al.,  respect our Church and our religious freedom.  

bombeer
bombeer

Of course democracy is alive and flourishing in the Philippines... true freedom needs boundaries.

GothmogUrukHai
GothmogUrukHai

Religion should not interfere on political agendas and maintain the boundary as an independent institution that respect the right of every individual to choose what is good for themselves and their country. The Church role is to deal with every catholics eternal order, out eternal salvation by enforcing ethical values to its people while the Government maintains temporal orders which deal with here and now, the material well being of its citizen. It's always good to have both of this institution to maintain peace and order to a country but it's important to respect each others role to avoid conflicts.

RomzCabz
RomzCabz

God is omnipotent and created everything therefore he doesn’t need your money or wealth but the “CHURCH” does.

God is divine and powerful but RELIGION is man made and business.

If the money collected through “DONATIONS” will be shared it can send every child to college, give homes to the homeless, feed the starving people and dress the naked.

if the Vatican will be sold(trillions of dollar) it can end the poverty of a 3rd world country.

1/4 of the collected donation is enough to pay the bills of a church and the people inside it, and the remaining money should have been shared to less fortunate people, how ironic that in the bible, Jesus said to a rich guy to give all his wealth to the poor and follow him but today’s preachers is doing the exactly opposite

A priest ran over a child and killed her but the parents doubted to sue him because he’s a priest, so being part of a religion right now can make an exception that will not make you a criminal.

there are many priest who molested children and many more lascivious acts but didn’t went to jail, however Carlos Celdran goes to prison because he just OFFENDED a RELIGION? how ironic that we acknowledged JOSE RIZAL our national hero but didn’t realized that he was the CARLOS CELDRAN back then by writing novels like NOLI ME TANGERE(touch me not) and criticizing many DAMASO(notorious priest) alike?.

How ironic that we filipinos are the most religious people in asia but we are also the most corrupt and most of us are living below poverty line. that’s because corrupt government officials uses religion and it’s corrupt religious officials to be on their side when doing some corrupt activities just like smuggling where a priest named Cristobal Garcia became a headline of big news companies like CNN and even national geographic by smuggling ivory products where the source is labeled endangered.

RELIGION POLLUTES INNOCENT MINDS.

proud to be an agnostic christian.


EdSaenz
EdSaenz

Only the Catholic Church in the Philippines will go through all that effort to dig up an archaic law just to get back at their critic. That's just the way they are... oh and threats of excommunication and eternal damnation in hell... 

iamRiddle
iamRiddle

CBCP even blackmail politicians who are pro RH that they will not endorse them this upcoming 3013 elections. They use blackmailing and a lot of dirty practices.

-This has to stop now and Philippines should move forward and strengthen Separation of church and state..church should also pay tax!

AllanEspinosa
AllanEspinosa

For many religious followers, to openly question their Church is heretical. As a former Catholic seminarian of eight years, I have yet to see or hear a Mass goer who got up his pew and questioned the priest during his homily. It is given that as soon as you attend a Mass, you are required to nod in approval or to implicitly agree with the message of the homily. I think many Filipinos fail to see the deeper implications of this conviction. The conviction is too harsh for one. While we encourage criticism in our society, Article 133 simply discourages that. We no longer live in Spanish times where freedom of speech is curtailed. And just like Senator Cayetano said, “A person living in a democracy surely cannot expect that his beliefs will be free from all criticism.” The more important questions should be asked, “why does the Church shrink from criticisms?” If the Church is right, it should welcome criticisms, not abhor them. The general consensus among Filipinos is to punish Celdran. Well, just like what Hitchens said “Do not take refuge in the false security of concensus.” I shudder at the thought that we as a society have allowed certain groups to decide for us what speech is harmful or not. I personally do not seek protection from that pathetic Article 133.

JoieErickson
JoieErickson

The church should NOT be meddling in the state affairs...they should mind their own darn business! Philippines, wake up, this is the 21st century, we are no longer under the Spanish rule. "Offending their religious feelings" should NOT be a criminal act. Congress should immediately revise this law. It is offensive to our freedom of speech and expression. Seriously.

unclesmrgol
unclesmrgol

Priests are so 2 millennium ago.  Imagine thinking that a child exists before it is born!  Shocking!

putois
putois

Priests are so 200 hundred years ago. Ever heard of the garbage they saying? So third world

DonQuixote
DonQuixote

I support his effort, but he probably shouldn't have barged in on their turf to give them his message - that is where they can make claim. The Catholic church is losing ground at a rapid pace, and they know it - they are the poster child for archaic religions - good luck Carlos.

castaway5555
castaway5555

The art of protest - go the heart of the matter, where the powerful live, and embarrass them, and, in turn, they will respond like a scorpion, showing their true colors and character. The Roman church is infected to the core with Medievalism - a pride of place and power that brooks no challenge. It's rather sad - the Roman church reacts more like ancient Rome and Pilate condemning Jesus - muster all the power it can to kill the little ones who dare to challenge it's authority. Not a pretty picture. Let freedom ring in the Philippines, and "religious feeling" be damned.  

13thFOOL
13thFOOL

I like Carlos Celdran, I supported the RHBill and I have issues with the Catholic Church, but I cannot agree with the “manner” through which he sent his message.

I don’t agree either that his case is being turned into an issue of “free speech” or “freedom of religion”—which to me is just a simple case of “propriety”. Period. My point is… why do it INSIDE a church and during an official Church function? **It’s not a mass I get it, but does it matter?** If he did it in Mendiola and got sued for it, I’ll defend Mr. Celdran even if I myself have to go to jail for it.

Also, the passage of Sen. Cayetano of a bill seeking the repeal of Art. 133 is to me an implied recognition that it is a “prevailing” law—a prevailing law which until repealed binds us *all*—including those whom we like and those we agree with… like Mr. Celdran.

Lastly, is the crime “offending the feelings of the faithful” really that offensive? As far as I am concerned, it is the same provision which punishes the burning of the Koran or the Bible, disrupting the mass officiated by the Pope or defecating in a synagogue—so if Art. 133 is repealed, what should we do in those cases? Just smile and say—charge it to the Freedom of Expression?

curiouspinoy
curiouspinoy

Catholics were not alone in voicing out their opinion on the RH bill, Islam also expressed opposition on the controversial bill. Lets see Celdran try his antics in a mosque. Looking at the big picture though Celdran should not be jailed. He should instead be confined in a mental health facility as his actions seem to be a cry for help.

amlecciones
amlecciones

Pangbabastos... If one is sincere  and genuine with his actions he shouldn't forget to be civil and have respect for others.  I don't think this type of disrespectful protest has a place in Filipino Society, unless of course it has changed for the worse.  Respect and civility, those are not only ideals but something we should hold on to, something I have seen disappear from debates coming from issues such as the RH bill, etc. It is a shame for everyone to think that such acts are acceptable, what should always be espoused and encouraged is a civil and respectful way of airing grievances. You do not respect millions of Filipinos by disrespecting others (remember not everyone agrees about the RH bill, so for those who think otherwise, tread carefully.

Nowhere1111
Nowhere1111

I just don't get the Catholic church. Or those who keep supporting it especially when they don't agree w/ what's being espoused.

Mermerants
Mermerants

I salute Carlos Celdran for doing this act of bravery. It's not out of disrespect for the Church that he did it, it's out of respect for the millions of Filipinos who will benefit form the RH Law. He made a noise, and it's reverberating... and waking people's minds.

anneescudero
anneescudero

he did his protest inside the church while mass is being held. His right to free speech ended where the others' right to practice religion began. that was what he disregarded, RESPECT. he should have taken his protest to another venue.

philip.hernaez
philip.hernaez

@tonybirch he could have done it wherever he likes or even at the  very doorsteps of the Church but not inside. if somebody does it inside your house? what will you do?  if i were you i would imitate his stunts inside the mosque.

tonybirch
tonybirch

@Miragena True freedom is accepting anything that is said of you and your church!!! PERIOD!!! No one should go to jail over words!!! If I wanna talk S@#t about you and your religion...it is my right to do so!!! The laws of the land should have no say with any of that!!!


nelsonaloyola@stpeter.com
nelsonaloyola@stpeter.com

@RomzCabz we cannot blame the ills of society to religion not even to the Roman Catholic Religion.  It is the failure of the adherents to a sane religion to follow the tenets of their sound religious doctrines that lead to chaos in our society.  STICK TO THE TEN COMMANDMENTS and obey the law of God and this world will be a happy place to live in.  Start with DO UNTO OTHERS WHAT YOU WANT OTHERS TO DO UNTO YOU.

nelsonaloyola@stpeter.com
nelsonaloyola@stpeter.com

@iamRiddle BLACKMAILING and dirty practices are very strong words.  Say something about what the INK is doing to make it appear that they determine the results of the elections.  Say something about politicians acting like clowns to get endorsements from the INK and other motley religious groups.  CBCP did not blackmail anyone. It simply protected the natural RIGHT TO LIFE , condemnation of practices encouraging FORNICATION and extorting from taxpayers the money to provide condom and birth control devices to people who cannot control their libido.  Let the excessively sexually oriented who cannot control his urge BUY his own device for his self satisfaction [without the responsibility of answering for the effect of his unrestrained sexual urge].  We are over burdened with taxes that we could hardly breath, yet we are asked to cuff up a few billions more for birth control devices for the benefit of others who may not even be paying their taxes.  It is unfair!

nelsonaloyola@stpeter.com
nelsonaloyola@stpeter.com

@13thFOOL CORRECT!  For every right there is a responsibility. For every freedom there is a limitation.  Without Article 133, we just imitate the Muslims:  put people offending our religious feelings in a DEATH LIST, or launch a JIHAD against the "Celdrans".  Then we will have more cases to defend/prosecute in our clogged courts.   

simpleisromz
simpleisromz

@curiouspinoy

God is omnipotent and created everything therefore he doesn’t need your money or wealth but the “CHURCH” does.

God is divine and powerful but RELIGION is man made and business.

If the money collected through “DONATIONS” will be shared it can send every child to college, give homes to the homeless, feed the starving people and dress the naked.

if the Vatican will be sold(trillions of dollar) it can end the poverty of a 3rd world country.

1/4 of the collected donation is enough to pay the bills of a church and the people inside it, and the remaining money should have been shared to less fortunate people, how ironic that in the bible, Jesus said to a rich guy to give all his wealth to the poor and follow him but today’s preachers is doing the exactly opposite

A priest ran over a child and killed her but the parents doubted to sue him because he’s a priest, so being part of a religion right now can make an exception that will not make you a criminal.

there are many priest who molested children and many more lascivious acts but didn’t went to jail, however Carlos Celdran goes to prison because he just OFFENDED a RELIGION? how ironic that we acknowledged JOSE RIZAL our national hero but didn’t realized that he was the CARLOS CELDRAN back then by writing novels like NOLI ME TANGERE(touch me not) and criticizing many DAMASO(notorious priest) alike?.

How ironic that we filipinos are the most religious people in asia but we are also the most corrupt and most of us are living below poverty line. that’s because corrupt government officials uses religion and it’s corrupt religious officials to be on their side when doing some corrupt activities just like smuggling where a priest named Cristobal Garcia became a headline of big news companies like CNN and even national geographic by smuggling ivory products where the source is labeled endangered.

RELIGION POLLUTES INNOCENT MINDS.

proud to be an agnostic christian.

AntonioPeYangIII
AntonioPeYangIII

@curiouspinoy

So because you assume Islam is worse, that gives you the right to be an intolerant bible-thumper? 

As for Celdran being insane, tell me my good man, are you his psychiatrist, or do you happen to have any solid evidence proving he is not of sound mind?


RomzCabz
RomzCabz

@amlecciones oh tell me, child molestation ay mas magaan kaysa offending feelings? open your mind from this poison. be rational, God is divine and omnipotent, religion is just man made and business.

nelsonaloyola@stpeter.com
nelsonaloyola@stpeter.com

@Mermerants Wala sa placard ni Celdran ang RH LAW o ang pag suporta dito.  Ang sinabi niya DAMASO [and ibig sabihin corrupt, abusive]  ang mga pari na nasa Simbahan samangalang may ceremonia.  

unclesmrgol
unclesmrgol

@Mermerants Yes, why not be like so many other enlightened peoples and convert your unwanted babies into non-humans.  Perhaps you can use them to fertilize your fields, or as an auxiliary food source....

nelsonaloyola@stpeter.com
nelsonaloyola@stpeter.com

@anneescudero  Under the new civil code Celdran can be held liable for damages by the faithful in attendance during the religious ceremony:

ART. 32.   Any public officer or employee, or any private individual, who directly or indirectly obstructs, defeats, violates or in any manner impedes or impairs any of the following rights and liberties of another person shall be liable to the latter for damages:

(1)     Freedom of Religion;

In any of the cases referred to in this article, whether or not the defendant’s act or omission constitutes a criminal offense, the aggrieved party has a right to commence an entirely separate and distinct civil action for damages, and for other relief. Such civil action shall proceed independently of any criminal prosecution(if the latter be instituted), and may be proved by a preponderance of evidence.

The indemnity shall include moral damages. Exemplary damages may also be adjudicated.xxx

LET AN AGGRIEVED ROMAN CATHOLIC IN ATTENDANCE COME OUT IN THE OPEN WILLING TO FILE A CIVIL COMPLAINT FOR DAMAGES, SO WE CAN HAVE A TEST CASE.

hellyeahvin
hellyeahvin

@anneescudero You don't have your facts straight. There was no mass being held at that time. Anyway, disrespectful or not, it's stupid that this is a crime punishable by jail time.

Muwu
Muwu

@anneescuderoUnfortunately, you seem to be misinformed. It was a "ecumenical service/program (NOT during mass) at the Manila Cathedral commemorating the second anniversary of an ecumenical campaign to distribute five million Bibles in five years" as per Businessworld Online

amar
amar

@anneescudero he did not do it while mass was being held. don't be ignorant.

tonybirch
tonybirch

@philip.hernaez Your right, but he's not going to jail for that, now is he? He's going to jail for hurting the church's feelings!  The church is open to the public just like the malls are...everybody's welcome! If you make a scene like that at the mall...you get kicked out...not arrested! Now if you do it at church and you hurt the Church Mafia's feelings...you do time!! Now what kinda laws do we have? The backward thinking conservatives and non progressive church fanatics are slowly dying in this great nation of ours and the church is losing power little by little...and so are these church influenced laws. The passing of the RH bill proved that.

nelsonaloyola@stpeter.com
nelsonaloyola@stpeter.com

@simpleisromz @curiouspinoy It seems you have strayed from the issue.  Was Celdran right in conducting his protest inside a Roman Catholic Church during a religious rite, bearing a placard literally addressing the priests DAMASO [meaning CORRUPT, ABUSIVE etc.]?   Celdran has the right to protest, rally or make a clown of himself, for all we care, but he should not do it in our CHURCH which we consider THE HOUSE OF GOD.  You may have your own religious beliefs but you can practice it without offending our religious sensibilities.  

curiouspinoy
curiouspinoy

@simpleisromz Im not sure if you meant to post it as a reply to me directly or to post this as a general reply to the thread. Either way, I don't know where all this hate is coming from but Im sure theres help available for you as well

curiouspinoy
curiouspinoy

@AntonioPeYangIII I never said Islam is worse.. That would be prejudicing against a religion making me no worse than Celdran. Im simply saying people and my moslem friends would admit that they would not have been as tolerant.

As for his mental health, I do hope you understand satire and sarcasm... But if he does take the advice literally, then good.

nelsonaloyola@stpeter.com
nelsonaloyola@stpeter.com

@RomzCabz @amlecciones  child molestation? religion is just man made and business?  Malayo sa issue.  Tama ba o mali ang ginawa ni Celdran sa Loob ng Simbahan samantalang may nagaganap na ceremonia?  In the exercise of a right, do so without offending the rights and sensibilities of others. 

curiouspinoy
curiouspinoy

This is like going to a mosque with a placard saying 9-11

nelsonaloyola@stpeter.com
nelsonaloyola@stpeter.com

@hellyeahvin @anneescudero  The law exists and must be followed for orderly behavior, peace and tranquility in our society.  Would you rather that the offended parties have Celdran tarred, feathered, and butchered, or we simply apply the law?  If he believed those priests in attendance in a religious right then going on are CORRUPT and abusive, let him and his ilk go to court. Shaming them and offending against our religious sensibilities is not the remedy.

amlecciones
amlecciones

@amar @anneescudero Mass or not, it was an ecumenical celebration, don't be ignorant about that, if it were indeed a mass than that would be worse, FYI that is private property and he was out of line.  People should be more wary of how society has become, is there no way of being civil anymore? That is a house of prayer just like any other house of prayer, would you be accepting if it were made a place or protest when others came to pray? Don't be ignorant that just because you have an issue you have the right to be disrespectful, I don't agree with the RH Bill and others too, but do we storm into the private offices of those supporting the bill and start some defamatory outbursts? Sorry if this was so long...

RomzCabz
RomzCabz

@curiouspinoy aw lol. it's not a reply. sorry for that. but like I said, RELIGION IS BUSINESS and GOD IS DIVINE, they are both different. 

firedancer
firedancer

@curiouspinoy I don't think it was as big of an issue in Islam. In fact, there was no statement from them going against it. Several of the Muslim lawmakers voted "YES" to RH, so I don't think your initial claim is accurate.

simpleisromz
simpleisromz

@nelsonaloyola@stpeter.com @RomzCabz @amlecciones  PARA MA OFFEND lang ang FEELING nang isang "RELIGION" kulong na agad? paano nalang ung CHILD MOLESTATIONS, SMUGGLING nang mga PARI? ba't di nakakulong? ha?? HYPOCRITES. man made ang religion read it from history books, it is only man made it. CHILD MOLESTATIONS are more worst than HURTING A RELIGIOUS FEELINGS. don't be POISONED BY THIS RELIGION GOVERN BY CORRUPT PEOPLE. GOD and RELIGION are DIFFERENT.

JoieErickson
JoieErickson

@amlecciones i agree, he disrespected the place of worship, but should he be labeled a criminal and suffer jail time just because of what he did? 

bmtf
bmtf

@amlecciones @amar @anneescudero

will just clarify one point: religious organizations do not pay taxes, hence, should not have churches as their private properties. i said should not, because they do treat such venues as if they own them.