A Win for India as Italian Marines Return to Stand Trial

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Italian marines Salvatore Girone, left, and Massimiliano Latorre arrive at an airport near Rome on Dec. 22, 2012. India allowed the two men, accused of shooting Indian fishermen while guarding an oil tanker, to return home for Christmas

India won a diplomatic coup on Friday as two Italian marines returned to India to stand trial for allegedly shooting two fishermen off the coast of Kerala last winter. The incident, in which the marines, hired as private security to an Italian oil tanker, say they mistook the men to be pirates, has been the source of escalating tension between the two nations for the past year but came to a head last week, when the marines returned for what was slated to be a temporary visit to Italy but Rome said they would not be going back.

On Thursday, the Italian government finally agreed to send them back after gaining the assurance from New Delhi that they would not face the death penalty. It ended a dicey few weeks for the Congress-led government — and for Indian-Italian ties. The marines, who had been out on bail in India awaiting trial, have come and gone before since their arrest last year, when India allowed them to go home for Christmas. When India’s Supreme Court allowed them to return home again to vote in their country’s elections last month, the Italian ambassador to India, Daniele Mancini, acted as a guarantor in the High Court that they would go back by March 22. When Rome decided that they were not to be returned and Mr. Mancini informed the court as such, India’s High Court put a ban on his leaving the country, alerting airports to look out for him, and denied his appeal for diplomatic immunity.

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The move did not go down well in Italy nor in India, where the opposition took the opportunity to lambast the government for allowing them to leave in the first place. But Congress leaders stood their ground. Prime Minister Manmohan Singh issued a stern warning saying that any attempt by Rome to obstruct India’s legal process by not returning the marines would “violate every rule of diplomatic discourse and call into question solemn commitments given by accredited representatives of a sovereign government to our Supreme Court … If they do not keep their word, there will be consequences for our relations with Italy.” Congress Party leader Sonia Gandhi too came out strongly against Italy, where she was born and raised, saying no nation should take India for granted.

Rome’s agreement to return the marines on Thursday sparked outcries in Italy, where some have said that the government, reeling from the European financial crisis, was unwilling to alienate a trade partner. The row between the two nations began last year after the shooting on Feb. 15, 2012, when the governments disagreed where the marines should be tried. Italy has maintained that the shooting took place in international waters, where, if there is a crime, the accused are supposed to be tried in the country the vessel is flagged in. India, however, has insisted the shooting took place in a special economic zone, and the men should therefore be tried in India.

Many in India have applauded Congress leadership for the marines’ return, giving the embattled ruling party a small but palpable boost as it gets ready for national elections slated for next year.

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58 comments
sreejiththeone
sreejiththeone

Can someone confirm if they have actually arrived in India? And if yes, where are they?

civilliability
civilliability

after their economy,its now the turn of italian diplomacy to die an unnatural death.they have made themselves a laughing stock of the world.LOL.

Palbriz
Palbriz

And if you want to be treated like a respectable Nation abolish death penalty, it is barbaric.

Palbriz
Palbriz

@shama If a fisherman points is boat at high speed towards a big cargo ship to deviate its route and save his net in waters infested by pirates that can easily be mistaken for an attack. And if there are international agreements to have marines on board of these ships it is only because India and other countries like Somalia are unable to keep their sea safe. There are also precise rules of engagement and everybody at sea should be aware of these rules. A warning was certainly given before opening fire. Italian soldiers don't go around the world shooting at innocent people for no reason. If the fishermen were not informed or they simply thought that saving their nets was more important then there was negligence on their part as well as indian authorities. Those soldiers simply followed instructions in a really dangerous environment. That has nothing to do with racism, colonialism or anything of that sort. The Italian Government should refund the families of the deceased and that was already done as fa as I am concerned, a symbolic very short prison sentence could also be issued and everybody should be happy with that. If you all care so much about the lives of those fishermen why do you let thousands of people starve to death in the streets of India every day? It seems to me that human lives are valued less than cows in your country except when it comes to foreign citizens when you can make it a matter of principle so that your politicians can keep fooling the public opinion boasting their firmness in front of a western nation. It's just dirt.


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Palbriz
Palbriz

A country that still has death penalty should not have the right to judge citizens of another state, the more so if these citizens are soldiers sent over to protect indian trade routes from pirates. Death penalty? Pirates? Holy cows? What the hell is this? You Indians are still in the 18th century! At least stop your really annoying, pathetic laments about racism of the white men.

prk1949
prk1949

The report  A Win for India as Italian Marines Return to Stand Trial, is highly misleading. Many people have felt that getting back the marines was a deal between the governments of India and Italy. Read my following columns in the DNA:

India botched up the marines DNA | Friday, March 15, 2013: (URL: http://www.dnaindia.com/analysis/column_india-botched-up-the-marines-issue_1811368

India has again bungled the marines issue DNA | Tuesday, March 26, 2013    (URL:  http://www.dnaindia.com/analysis/column_india-has-again-bungled-the-marines-issue_1815747 )        

shama
shama

Who's jurisdiction  is it, where they should be tried , under what laws - national and international , remains to be resolved through appropriate legal proceedings . The Italian marines will be given all legal help and they can appeal to international courts for the same if they are unhappy with the proceedings. But i'm amazed at the reactions in Italy - such double standards - what makes them decide that lives of their marines is in any way more valuable than those of the two fisher men ? - because they are poor and belong to a developing country? And that country cannot be relied upon and the laws of that country need not be respected- such hypocrisy and disgusting racism. I would have understood still if this hue and cry had come after Indian courts had pronounced a ruling or a verdict - whether on the question of adjudication or the sentence to be given  which was deemed unacceptable to Italian citizens .

I just dont understand what this hue and cry is about. If this incident had happened in the reverse, i.e  Indian Marines had by chance shot italian fishermen, they would never have seen the light of the day again. Forget about them being returned to India to be tried by Indian courts. 

So basically it is that a white man, and someone as exalted as a marine cannot be tried at par with any other colored man in a developing country for he is above their laws and his life is above those of poor  fishermen.  To the extent that Italians are ready to go back on their words, never mind that they pride themselves on that , to save themselves from such an eventuality. 

Have you even given Indian courts and Indian laws a chance yet ? There has been no death penalty for more than decade except in very few cases, rarest of rare crimes . No Indian court would give them death penalty for accidental shooting , if so established . BUt whatever else, those marines are certainly not heroes for us , and niether are the lives of those fishermen ,any less valuable for us . If the marines are responsible for a criminal act commited when they were on duty due to negligence at the very least, they ought to be punished for the same



mohantry
mohantry

- If Death Penalty has never been a deterant Then why did you shoot Indian Fishermens and had given them death penalty ?
- I Fully Agree with you that your foreign minister is also a cosmic idiot like you peoples in italy.
- India never asked Italy to protect its shipping routes , we do not believe italy(cosmic idiot) have such potential.
- Case is prejudice and don't jump the gun and give the verdict for yourself you shylock
- On what primafacei evidence you are telling indian authorities subtracted,divided,multiplied,added or exponent of evidence ?
- Yes its true only terrorist countries and its people will kill innocent unarmed fishermens, thats absolutely fair Mr.cosmic idiot
- You call rapes in different names such as dating,Brothel,porn videos etc , Animals does'nt rape,it happens only in humanitarian culture when restrictions
and regulations imposed on man kind.It is something dicussed inside culture you don't understand it either. Rapists never gets convicted bcz ruler is from italy!!!
- All creatures in this world are holy ? Will you disagree ? Ask your Pope !!!
- I'm not surprised either!!!

SahuSatyen
SahuSatyen

@TIME @TIMEWorld why it's touted a victory whereas it was more keeping your dignity intact. UPA is doomed to lose regardless.

ZeeTweets93
ZeeTweets93

%s It's more due to economic power than diplomatic power. %s

mohantry
mohantry

Its a twin Win for Italy  Helicopter deal and killer mariners loop hole escape deal !!! I believe this story writer will be very well aware of the happenings in future in these  deals !!! I Cherish and remember those days ,once upon a time in India there was a king who killed his own son in the same way his son killed a calf accidently while travelling in a chariot ( Manu Needhi Cholan ) , Nomad Italians would be hunting some pigs in the forest during that contemporary period!!! Now it is a curse that we are ruled by Italy!!!

Palbriz
Palbriz

A country that still has death penalty is barbaric and should not be granted the right to judge citizens of another country. 

232franco
232franco

I read your comments, I'm really amazed, I'm sorry, but in what reality do you live? In the rest of the world this is seen opposite case for the following reasons: 1) india, such as Italy have signed the same treaties, just read them to realize the reality; 2) The two Marines are protected by immunity functional, as on Italian ship on the high seas and under the jurisdiction of the Italian criminal, acted on behalf of and according to the Italian State and then the dispute is between states. The Italian ship was in international waters, as revealed by GPS, and 3) within 24 miles, 12 +12 competence of the coastal State is only for certain crimes "smuggling, slavery etcc." Convention of Montego Bay "), 4) the legitimate use of weapons comes only after visual warnings and radio for the respect of distance (protocol of engagement) 5) the Marines do not go around the world killing people at random; 6) A civilized country, not allows piracy in front of its coasts, does not attract in its port a ship under false pretenses; does not violate the law of the sea and the extraterritoriality of the ship ... makes us participants in a joint committee to investigate India / Italy, especially the ballistic weapons ... evidence subtracted from the Italian authorities for a trial in Italy as required by Italian law ... evidence removed from the UN International Tribunal for the dispute between the States ... but what are we talking about? In India, corruption is widespread, who ensures that the victims were really fishermen?

MacroViewpoints
MacroViewpoints

@CChristineFair actualy self-inflicted loss for India-why wr they let return in 1st place?bcaus they wr italian;india hs conditions frmitaly

cmfailte
cmfailte

I dont think it is a win of India. Its plan to cheat Indian people, indian leaders already promised that they wont get death penalty, that is only imprisonment. According to the contract between Indian and Italy the marines have to go for imprisonment in Italy. Who will believe they will be in Prison in Italy? its cheating of poor Indian people by Indian politicians, they already proved that how they can over come suprime count. When the Italy denied to send them back to India, stright away Indian leaders was planning to expel the high commission which  was blocked by suprime court. But in all means Politicians of India cheated Indians

NandaKishoreN
NandaKishoreN

Let me add, that the crime is against Indian fishermen.  In India DEATH penalty still exists.

And with increasing Cross-Border Terrorist activities from neighbourhood, India cannot think of abolishing Death Penalty.

HarinyaFinch
HarinyaFinch

@PalbrizI am just posting this in all the forums that mention india's death penalty. India since it's independence has put 52 people to death. now compare this to the 242 people put to death between the years 2000-2009 in the stte of Texas alone before talking about India's backwardness please. For god sake two of the people who assassinated an Indian Prrime Minister are still alive and kicking. 

NandaKishoreN
NandaKishoreN

@Palbriz Who are U to decide that Death Penalty is barbaric.  Who r U to dicate to India to abolish death penalty.  The hell with Ur respect, who cares.  Itching to disrespect others U show Ur real mean mentality.

Palbriz
Palbriz

@prk1949 Another annoying wining comment. Oh poor Indians!!!

Palbriz
Palbriz

@mohantry Your brain must be the size of a peanut, I can't even understand what you are writing. IYou should learn English before you take part in this discussion. But even if you did speak English you would not be worth of my reply because you are too obtuse. 

NandaKishoreN
NandaKishoreN

@Palbriz And about the Death Penalty, U can't blame India.  It's the choice of the people of India and thereby the Govt will decide on this.

Lately death sentence has been given only to those involved in serious terrorist activities.  It might seem barbaric to U, but it's a serious issue and requires a lot of discussion before deciding on getting rid of the Capital Punishment.  Till then in any of the cases, Indian Courts are entitled to pronounce Death Sentence, if it's felt that the crime is particularly heinous and such sentence can be pronounced.  

NandaKishoreN
NandaKishoreN

@Palbriz I'm NOT discussing the facts of the case.  Studying all the facts of the case and then referring to the international rules which govern cases like these are all a part of the investigation and then it's for the court to decide on the degree of offense and punishment.

There are a couple of troubling points for the general public..  The questions are being raised by the opposition and media about.

What we know is ...

  1. The case was originally under the Indian court.
  2. Italy agreed that they'll send back the guys
  3. They faltered
  4. Finally for some reason the guys were sent back to India.  Now the two marines are in India.
  5. Indians perceive them as murderers and Italians are reportedly perceiving them as Heroes.

What is troubling is ...

  • There's a difference between the statements being made by the Italian Govt and the Indain Govt, about a) Death Penalty, b) Where the guys will be staying.
  • I made a point saying that it's better if both the Govts make a joint-press statement about the issue so that things are crystal clear to the people of both the countries.
  • We can know the facts what are told in the media about the case.  So, I think it's the duty of both the Govts to clarify this ambiguity about the case.
  • Second question which is being raised is that whether Indian Govt did sign any treaty or not. And if so, is it entitled to do so, when the case is already pending for trial in the Indian Court.

Having said these things, Urself talking like all the girls of 13 are married to 50 year old men is absolutely uncalled for.   Such generalization is gross.

pippo
pippo

... it is difficult to understand how things are at certain latitudes. Unfortunately, many politicians must satisfy certain nationalistic tendencies, otherwise the next election in danger of losing his seat, privileges and reputation, and then some behaviors are obvious, but two weights and two measures in the long run do not pay. On the other hand, here in Italy over 130,000 Indians live peacefully, enjoying the same social status of Italian without any problem.
It must be a serious problem if you live in certain areas still fail to understand what are the values ​​of reciprocity. In the 21st century there are still situations where it is used to take people hostage for over a year, people accused of crimes until questionable without bringing a lawsuit or a resolution already solved by international law. Even the Vienna Convention was violated thereby preventing the freedom of movement of'' Ambassador of Italy to an instrument signed on behalf of his country, crendogli many problems of a functional nature ... in that agreement it is stipulated that in the event war of the ambassadors are protected by immunity total. In the Italian Constitution is written that Italy, in any event, settle any disputes with other countries through diplomacy, in extremis with international arbitration ... then to be happy must be at least two. The arrogance and the big voice does not impress anyone, remember that the civilized Italy is a founding country of the EU and NATO, global standards bodies, whose membership constitutes automatimo common cause

ppd27575
ppd27575

Let's get history out of the way first. Manu Needhi Cholan was a king who lived approx around 235BC. The Roman Empire in Italy, particularly Rome itself, emerged around 350BC. That itself should give you some sense of time. And I don't think you want to call the Romans nomads. They were perfectly civilised although some of their practices would seem crude to the modern mind.


Manu Needhi Cholan is said to have stood for justice - an even justice towards friend and foe - which is why he is still respected. Given his ideals, you have to atleast afford the Italian marines a proper trial without sullying the name of their illustrious country. One may need to earn respect, but don't be too hasty in meting out justice to entire nations and nationalities. Indians have to learn to look beyond nationality, religion, language and all the natural biases that they have inherited from their past. It is the only way to move into an inevitably more global future.

NandaKishoreN
NandaKishoreN

@Palbriz It is easy to talk of Death Penalty being barbaric when U are not suffering Cross-Border Terrorism.  It's easy to talk of Death Penalty when there are no serial blasts happening day in and day out in every city and town of the country.

Even then Death Penalty is given only when serious acts of Terrorism are involved, in rarest of rare cases.

NandaKishoreN
NandaKishoreN

@232franco Why don't U deliberate to be the lawyer of the Italian Marines and present these facts to the court?

And suggesting that the two might not be fishermen is cruel.  Besides, I don't get what U want to suggest. What could they be possibly, if they weren't fishermen?  And Italian Marines killed Indians is a fact, that even themselves they are not denying.

Now the case is about what kind of punishment do they deserve.

ppd27575
ppd27575

The death penalty is only executed in the rarest-of-rare cases in India. After one hanging in 2004, the next one was in 2012 after a gap of 8 years. Of course there was one in 2013 as well but that was for the parliament attack. Hangings are rarely carried out and sentences are generally commuted after appeals to life sentences. This is the way of a civilised society and yes, murderers and rapists are not hanged although it might seem that they are punished severely. It is a fact we have to live with.

For the record here, a country is considered more civilised and developed if the people of the country reject the death penalty. Not the other way around.

So what difference does it make if India promises they will not hang the marines? No difference at all. 

As far as cheating goes, it seems far fetched. If they were cheating the Indian people, they would not have managed to win this diplomatic victory and get the marines back to stand trial. What are you on about?

dkumar217
dkumar217

@cmfailte Mate, with a communication skills like yours, who would believe a word of whatever trash you have written here.

redrascal
redrascal

@NandaKishoreN   Who was hung for 1000's killed in communal riots in Gujrat, or in Delhi in 1984, what makes these 2 fishermen more important than those 1000's for whom no one has been hung to date ?

NandaKishoreN
NandaKishoreN

@HarinyaFinch @Palbriz And if I may add, if India seems uncivilized and backward to these guys because we didn't abolish Death Penalty, wonder what name should be given to attacking and bombing every other country and killing people in tons.

Raku
Raku

@Palbriz  look who is talking about civility...the land of Mussolini and likes of barbaric dictators, who washed millions of innocent lives from the face of earth - through innovative ways, gas showers, torture camps etc...lool living in a dream world...u moronic Italians....in 20 years from now, u shld be grateful, if u still exist as a country with any economic value!!!


@NandaKishoreN ur arguments seem too light and tolerant, to these savages who brought in the biggest wars on earth!!! who's talking about civility, here??? 

jai
jai

@PalbrizFirst try and read the comment , you retard.He is not trying to gloat here.

pippo
pippo

@NandaKishoreN@PalbrizIs a murderess who kills a person with malice aforethought. I do not think this is the case.
A hero is someone who saves a person risking his own life. I do not think this is the case.
The Marines and the fishermen did not know, so it's just an unfortunate accident.
There remains only the certainty that the GPS signals the ship to 33.2 nautical miles from the coast.
If Italy, appealing to the International Criminal Court UN, India will be a fool for multiple violations subscribed 1) Montego Bay Convention, 2) the Vienna Convention and the Convention on the Law of the Sea, not to mention that he had caused significant damage of the ship, operating the return to port with artifice and deception.
If you are not able to eradicate piracy and ensure the safety of the sea in front of their coasts, you can not do a tug of war with those who seek you cover this vacuum of law, especially in violation of international law. Process the two marines in India is illegal, as they are under the jurisdiction of the Italian criminal.


pippo
pippo

@NandaKishoreN... if Italy appeals to this dispute to the International Court of Justice of the 'UN, India would be condemned before the whole world for violation of treaties signed. Italy, always try to settle these disputes through diplomacy, if India does not understand, surely you will come to this determination. India has held hostage two Italian marines for over a year without ever giving rise to a process, continually postponed for trivial reasons, even because the judges had to go on vacation ... This is a real offense. They even refused a commission of inquiry Italy / india for ballistic weapons, did not make any autopsy on the bodies, the ship's GPS marked over 24 miles in the same natural route of all ships. If the two marines are the cause of the killing of two Indians, they would have done according to the rules of the International Convention respecting a protocol of engagement for and on behalf of the Italian State, and not attributable to Indian law, but due according to the Italian criminal jurisdiction, then the dispute is between the Member INDIA / ITALY as stated in the rule world. E 'known to all the commanders of the ships in the world that the maritime area of the accident is infested by pirates ... a civilized state does not allow any piracy in front of their coasts, this is disputed ... Sorry to say, off the coast of the Italian, French Spanish and even the Arab nations in the Mediterranean Sea these problems do not exist.

NandaKishoreN
NandaKishoreN

@dkumar217 I accept that Poor Communication Skills is not a good thing.  But that doesn't mean whatever a person is trying to say can't be altogether understood or the person can't altogether be believed. @cmfailte has got valid points to make.

pippo
pippo

@NandaKishoreN@pippo..is simple. All the soldiers of the world, when they are operated on a mission abroad, incur a criminal offense or creating an incident related execution of the warrant, are protected by immunity absolute, and subject to the criminal jurisdiction of the State of affiliation. The issue must be resolved between the States involved. Example: ITALY, USAF plane is accidentally broken, cable cutters cable car, killed 14 people, the U.S. indemnify the families of the victims (dispute between Member resolved), the pilot was convicted of multiple murder under U.S. law. Contiguous range maritime TURKEY, French naval vessel collision with fishing turkish, 8 fishermen dead. serious responsibility Commander French ship, France compensates Turkey (dispute between Member resolved), the French commander sentenced under French law ... is so that works throughout the world. otherwise we return to the Middle Ages.

pippo
pippo

@TijuJoseph@pippo@NandaKishoreNWrong! The 33.2 miles is recorded by GPS ... argument is not Italian, is not subject Indian ... is only a reliable and official track time and route ... all the rest are just allegations.
I have already explained that the Marines were commanded in this service on behalf of the Italian State, therefore, are protected by immunity absolute, they are subject to the criminal jurisdiction of the Italian, the dispute must be settled between the States, this is the provisions of the Montego Bay Convention. The competence of the coastal State, in the range between 12 and adjacent to 24 nautical miles responsible only for certain offenses listed in the Convention. This incident is not listed, all the more so if the vessel was 33.2 miles.
India has violated the international law of the sea, making return to port, the tanker by deception, when it was already on the high seas beyond 24 nautical miles, with the excuse of a collaborative clarification, once in port have violated the extraterritoriality of the ship, with the aggravating circumstance of the presence of a Presidium Italian Military ... a violation unprecedented and unforgivable, even more putting under arrest two of the six marines. If India can not understand the rules of common coexistence is their problem. If all states would use this method would be worldwide chaos.


NandaKishoreN
NandaKishoreN

@pippo @NandaKishoreN 

  1. If Italy has got any case agains India, let them appeal.  Y, are they doing some sort of favour to India.  
  2. The fact is that Italy knows that their Marines have committed the crime.
  3. Now, U don't try to make it sound like India has done something illegal by arresting the Italian Marines.  What do U expect?  They'll be given red-carpet welcome and VIP treatment for what they've done?  That'll be rather funny.
  4. And the way U sound is that the ITALIAN Marines would have NEVER EVER done anything illegal.  For Ur kind information, even Italian Govt didn't deny the fact that those two marines have done the mistake of shooting.
  5. Now the question before the court is to verify all the facts and find out how far these two can be punished and as per which law and many other legalities.
  6. So, I hardly think all these things what U are listing actually make any sense when the case is already in the court.
  7. Only MORONs could stoop down to the level of suggesting that those poor fishermen could be pirates.

TijuJoseph
TijuJoseph

@pippo@NandaKishoreNThe 24 mile is an argument by Italians. You just find reasons to believe what you like. There is no pirate presence in Indian shore, fyi.

if Italy can appeal to UN, then why don't they just do it?

NandaKishoreN
NandaKishoreN

@dkumar217

Great!  See, U after all ame down to Ur level.  The level of filth and scum.  That's what U are.  

Now, this time I actually stepped on Ur toes, didn't I? Man! U r actually hurt.

Look at Ur language and the words U use:  U are perhaps the most uncivilized animal visiting this website  right?  

Without going personal I simply said, that U don't need to make personal remarks about anybody's communication skills and can just share Ur thoughts in a civilized way.

And here U are making all sorts of personal remarks.

I'm done.  I'm deleting all my comments because I don't want to be in conversation with a foul mouth like U.

@NandaKishoreN 

dkumar217
dkumar217

@NandaKishoreN@dkumar217Yawn.... Here comes another paragraph of boring verbal diarrhea. You are a man devoid of any meaningful work and having ample time to bore others. You have absolutely no knowledge of how international diplomacy works and your only job is to rant and blame others. Your responses are devoid of any logic and one can laugh on the idiocity of your posts.but no the so called satire  as they are devoid of any humor. You say you  are making 2 points but actually make 5. You first apologise and then turnaround by saying that u did not. Who is asking for you give any importance to me .You become  the self proclaim jethmalani of cmflaite but can hardly justify your own views. You may call yourself as the Almighty Knowledge bearer of the world but its not necessary that the ordinary souls  like us would agree with you.On the contrary we might just show your stupidity which is bigger than the size of an elephant to you. You make hell lot of arguments over the so called locus standi of Indian govt. on the matter which is subjudice but do you have any explanation why the same govt. gave assurance on an convicted criminal ? You can make as many idiotic post on an online forums but its not necessary that everyone will ignore you. Since you have already apologized for the reason known , there is no point of continuing any further discussion  with you. Make as many responses to this post but this is my last my last reply on this matter. Oh god save me, I am debating with a fool who has the power to take me to his level !

dkumar217
dkumar217

@NandaKishoreN @dkumar217 @cmfailte  Looks like i have stepped on your toes. Before commenting on the length of my response, please do revisit your own comments here . You need not tell me what I need to do just like I didn't ask you to curtail your responses. You need to reeducate yourself before declaring world as democratic place but thats another debate.  Now coming to the point, the whole focal point of yours is farce and is devoid of any logic. even if India has given assurance to Italy, even then its a non issue. The hoopla that your creating over the so called deal is not something which has been practiced first time by the Indian Govt. Remember Abu Salem, who was proven guilty of 1993 Bomb Blast and yet has not been awarded death sentence because of the assurance given to Portuguese Govt.  From Italy perspective, they have every right to negotiate the well being of their citizen just like Indian govt. has every right to prosecute them under Indian constitution. If a verbal assurance by Indian govt. allays the fears of Italian Govt. then this should be pursued  (n thats what the govt did).  Sure, the investigation is pending but charges has been finalized although not submitted and those charges do not call for death penalty. Your are right, I need to bear with you and thats what I was doing but I guess my responses spoiled your day and mood but nevertheless I accept your apology for now and future as I am pretty sure you would respond with another spicy conspiracy theory.

dkumar217
dkumar217

@NandaKishoreN @dkumar217 @cmfailte  Poor communication skills = difficulty in precisely what the person wants to convey =  difficult to understand what he means = less likely to convince others. If you do not agree with the above then there is no point of further explanation. And regarding the dodgy points he is trying to make, that is for the viewers to decide. All I am saying is whatever his point of view is, he needs to put it across in a manner which can be understood by the viewers without any ambiguity. At the same time I do have some reservation with his views. I am not sure why ppl have such fixation with death penalty. The crime that these marines did will not warrant any death penalty even if the strictest of law under IPC is implemented. So, I am not sure why ppl like u and him are glamorizing death penalty when no such scenario will ever arise in this case? Indian govt. doesn't need to do any deal with Italian govt. in order to assure Rome that death penalty would not be handed over to these marines.