Egypt’s Military Cracks Down on Muslim Brotherhood: Will Chaos Follow Killings?

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Egyptian protesters throw rocks at security forces during the clearing of one of the two sit-ins of Morsi supporters, near Rabaa Adaweya mosque in Cairo, on Aug. 14, 2013

Wednesday’s long-anticipated move by Egyptian security forces to violently clear a pair of Muslim Brotherhood protest sites in the capital was aimed at ending an impasse that had politically crippled the country. But the violence of the crackdown, which has led to hundreds of casualties, has paved the way for more chaos and instability in Egypt.

The Ministry of Health estimated the total number of dead at 278, including security-forces fatalities, but that figure is expected to rise overnight. As the fighting continued throughout the day, several Coptic churches around the country were attacked and damaged in a possible wave of Brotherhood reprisals.

Minister of Interior Mohamed Ibrahim told reporters on Wednesday evening that security forces had followed orders and employed admirable restraint. He claimed that dozens of illegal firearms — including automatic weapons — had been discovered in the Brotherhood protest site. Ibrahim made it clear that the days of the Brotherhood occupying public spaces in protest had come to an end. “We will not allow any other sit-in in any square in any place in the country,” he said.

In an e-mail to TIME, Major General Mohamed Elkeshky — a longtime Egyptian military attaché in Washington and a member of the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces — argued the necessity of the raids, saying the Brotherhood protest sites had become a threat to national unity and a dangerous nuisance for area residents. “The sit-in has infringed the rights of all residence[sic] of the area, and has been building walls, accumulating weapons, using children and women as human shields, affecting extremely negatively the hygienic situation in the area and negatively affecting the life of the residence[sic],” Elkeshky wrote. “The Egyptian security forces continue to maintain self-control and respect of human rights, in its efforts to maintain peace and security in Egypt.”

(VIDEO: Egypt’s Security Forces Begin to Clear Muslim Brotherhood Sites)

But some prominent figures within the military-backed transitional government of interim President Adly Mansour — who announced today a monthlong state of emergency and a curfew in place in Cairo and 10 other governorates — aren’t buying the narrative invoked by security officials. As security forces continued to lay siege with live ammunition, Mansour’s fledgling governing coalition began splintering with the resignation of Vice President Mohamed ElBaradei. “It has become difficult for me to hold responsibility for decisions that I do not agree with, whose consequences I fear,” ElBaradei said in a public statement. “I cannot be responsible for one drop of blood in front of God, and then in front of my conscience, especially with my faith that we could have avoided it.”

ElBaradei’s resignation removes one of the Mansour government’s most high-profile statesmen and international advocates. A Nobel Peace Prize recipient, ElBaradei has put his revolutionary credentials and reputation on the line for the past six weeks — defending the military’s July 3 intervention as necessary to save the country from disaster under then President Mohamed Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood. In subsequent interviews, he cast himself as an internal check within the new government who was pushing for dialogue and compromise while holding the hawks calling for a crackdown at bay.

For the transitional government now, ElBaradei’s diplomatic skill might be more needed than ever, as Wednesday’s bloody dispersal of the sites prompted angry reactions from around the world, including even the Obama Administration — which “strongly condemned” the violence and added: “We also strongly oppose a return to a state-of-emergency law, and call on the government to respect basic human rights such as freedom of peaceful assembly and due process under the law. The world is watching what is happening in Cairo.”

In separate comments to reporters, White House spokesman Josh Earnest was even more direct. “There’s no ambiguity … about the importance of respecting basic human rights,” he said. “That has been communicated to the Egyptians on a range of levels … It’s time for them to get back on a path of respecting the basic human rights of their people.”

These are stronger words than usual for the Obama Administration, which struggled for weeks to avoid publicly labeling the military intervention a “coup,” then seemed to side with the military-backed government last week when Secretary of State John Kerry went on record as saying Morsi’s ouster was aimed at “restoring democracy” in Egypt. But Earnest declined to comment on whether Washington’s disapproval will affect the $1.3 billion in annual American aid that Egypt receives each year. So far the Administration’s actions in that regard — such as the recent delay of a shipment of F-16 fighters and revelations today that it may scrap a planned joint military exercise with Egypt — have remained largely symbolic.

(PHOTOS: Bloodshed in Cairo as Egyptian Security Cracks Down on Morsi Supporters)

The offensive started just before 7 a.m. on Wednesday, launched against a pair of sites where Morsi supporters have gathered for weeks demanding his reinstatement. Within hours, the area around the Nahda Square sit-in, outside the gates of Cairo University, were a maze of burning tires and smoldering tents. But the Nahda camp was always the smaller and more tenuous of the two Brotherhood sites. The primary protest site — across town at the Rabaa Adaweya mosque in Cairo’s Nasr City district — represented a much more complicated security challenge.

There, tens of thousands of Brotherhood supporters have been entrenched for more than six weeks — since several days before Morsi was ousted. Morsi was deposed by the military on July 3 in response to unprecedented nationwide protests demanding his ouster just one year after he became Egypt’s first democratically elected civilian President.

The Rabaa site is heavily fortified — albeit with makeshift barricades that couldn’t withstand an armored assault. Protesters there managed to keep their numbers robust through the Muslim fasting period of Ramadan, which recently ended, and their ranks swelled further in recent days as government ultimatums made it clear the crackdown was imminent. All told, their sit-in lasted far longer than the 18 days of massed protests in Tahrir Square that brought down the dictatorial regime of President Hosni Mubarak in February 2011.

All through the day on Wednesday, security forces laid siege to the Rabaa site. Witnesses on the scene reported heavy use of live ammunition; journalists attempting to approach the sit-in area have been fired upon, with at least two journalists confirmed killed. Those inside Rabaa reported taking regular sniper fire from surrounding rooftops.

By nightfall, about 12 hours after the assault started, security forces managed to penetrate deep into the heart of the sit-in and largely disperse it, amid reports that senior Brotherhood officials had been captured. Among the dead are a cameraman for the Sky News channel and the 17-year-old daughter of senior Brotherhood official Mohammed al-Beltagy.

(MORE: Viewpoint: Egyptian ‘Liberals’ Are Out for Blood)

If the government does succeed in physically repressing the Brotherhood, it would represent a new crossroads for the Egyptian postrevolutionary experiment — one where each potential path forward offers a political reality distant from what a euphoric Egypt imagined possible after the fall of Mubarak in 2011.

Interim President Mansour’s military-backed government can now end the crippling national stalemate between the Brotherhood and most other political forces and get on with the business of organizing a new transitional road map — including new parliamentary and presidential elections extending into next year. It’s unclear how smooth a transition to democracy the government can achieve in the current moment of curfews and a state of emergency.

A full Brotherhood purge from public and political life, which seems likely at this point, would drive the venerable and still powerful Islamist organization back underground — where it spent decades of its existence before the 2011 revolution. It would be an embittered, aggrieved faction, emboldened by the memories of its adherents’ recent sacrifices and the knowledge that it won every postrevolutionary election it entered. If the military’s crackdown continues, it will likely radicalize certain elements of the group and could herald a new, unwelcome era of armed Islamist insurgency.

The crackdown had been in the cards for weeks — ever since July 24, when military chief and Deputy Prime Minister Abdul Fattah al-Sisi called for mass popular demonstrations to support and “authorize” the police and army to deal with the Brotherhood. The crowds turned out and tensions deepened. A flurry of failed diplomatic bids by the U.S., the E.U. and others found little success.

There were never any serious indications that a brokered resolution was possible, and it’s likely that neither side tried particularly hard to reach an accord. The Brotherhood accused the government of seeking an excuse to wipe their organization from the political map, while the military-backed government accused the Brotherhood of cynically trying to provoke violence in order to create new martyrs to the cause.

On each side, the redline was Morsi — currently in his sixth week of military custody in an undisclosed location. Mansour’s government insisted that any resolution started with the Brotherhood accepting its place in Egypt’s new reality and giving up their hope that Morsi could return as President. The Brotherhood repeatedly dangled the prospect of fresh presidential elections, but insisted that those negotiations begin with Morsi’s return to power. Late last week, interim President Mansour officially reported that negotiations had failed and blamed the Brotherhood for their intransigence.

With reporting by Jay Newton-Small / Washington

Khalil is a Cairo-based journalist and author of Liberation Square: Inside the Egyptian Revolution and the Rebirth of a Nation

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gimphole1

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StephenReal
StephenReal

This situation in Egypt is about to cross the Rubicon of no return. It would be unacceptable for Allied Forces to spend our hard earned reputation of trust ,as a fair broker, so cheaply for this wholesale murder of ordinary men, women and children. We payed for our reputation in blood. If this goes on any further the US military will publicly pull back it's support for Egypt  No doubt about it. 

Secretary Chuck Hagel has to weigh blowing up our reputation with the Egyptian people while maintaining regional balance with Israel. Because of the huge data dumps lately I was shocked to see just how many ordinary people heavily rely on our judgement as a people to make a fair call.  Even if they "hate us", and you see it in the polling, the people believe we keep our word. I read reactions to these data dumps from all over the world. Do no screw up our reputation fellas.


solardowork
solardowork

Christian churches are being attacked by not the religion of peace Islam and Muslims.

Al Qaeda Flag Flies Above Christian Churches in Egypt.

Attack on Christians and Churches in Egypt Islam and Muslim killing Christians.

Obama will not lift a finger its only Christians and their Churches.


North America’s LARGEST ECONOMIC ENGINE comes to an end and our leaders did almost nothing why?   50 Potential Terrorist Acts Prevented and most all could have been done without violating over 300 million American's GOD given and OUR U.S. CONSTITUTION RIGHTS TO FREEDOM. How many aided or watched and did not a thing.   AROUND THE WORLD MANY JOURNALIST HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIFE FOR TELLING THE WORLD THE TRUTH.   JUST ONE OF MANY MEXICO IS KILLING THE PRESS AND JOURNALIST FOR EXPOSING THE LAUNDERING OF BILLIONS. IS THIS NEXT TO HAPPEN IN THE USA?

("Press Freedom: Journalist in Mexico Killed for Reporting on Drug Cartels | Human Rights First")  (Journalist around the world are killed for Reporting on and about the bad wicked corrupt leaders, that their bad deeds out number their good deeds. Only in government for the power and money.)   True Blooded Americans fly OLD GLORY the day might come soon that it will be your last time.   ("IRAN and NORTH KOREA WE ARE GOING TO TAKE DOWN THE USA obama too late i already did it.") This may soon not be so funny, as just a cartoon.) North Korean ship caught in Panama with Military Weapons   Missiles two Mig fighter jets and more. This ship is only one of how many more that have got by?   Fort Hood the CIA and FBI Terrorism Task Force had been watching this man and knew he was a Traitor to the USA and had done acts of TREASON. Why was he not already in jail? 50 Potential Terrorist? Or aiding some?  What leader on earth would watch someone do acts of treason against his Nation and not stop them on the first or second act little lone wait till they cold heart ed Murdered many be for he put him in jail. USA Leaders if you are lost and need a role model look to Canada.   Every 9-11 they are going to try.   September the wicked will always look to kill others Munich Germany 1972. 11 of the ISRAELI Olympic Athletes were killed by the wicked. Special Forces sent Air Mail to ten terrorist training PLO Bases in SYRIA and LEBANON in response. 200 died 11 for 200 you do the math. The wicked are at war with all that believe in Jesus Christ. Every year since they have tried or done acts of Terror every September only the real slow in the head in government do not know, to be ready each and every September. From the Religion of ? not Peace at a average rate of 3 or more atrocities are committed worldwide each day all in the name of ? islam the Religion the terrorist use.   Some will never Learn till it is too late.   The only group of wicked that kill close to this rate a year is the Drug Cartels.   Friends of Obama get away with anything right? Fort Hood Work place Bull S... cover up.   In the hearts of every True American that has ever stepped foot on a United Stated Military Base. These 13 Murdered Victims already have are Heart, and in our minds We All Know They Have Clearly Earned the PURPLE HEART ALREADY.   Some of our leaders of this One Nation Under GOD need to be on trial for TREASON.   We The People Live by are Lord GOD and "The U.S. CONSTITUTION"   NOT SOME SICK IN THE HEAD LEADERS.   "The U.S. CONSTITUTION ARTICLE III SECTION 3."   (AID OR COMFORT TO THE ENEMIES HOSTILE TO US)   (ANY ASSISTANCE RENDERED TO A FOREIGN STATE HOSTILE TO US)   (CONDUCT WHICH UNDERMINES THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA OR ARE GOVERNMENT OR ARE NATIONAL SECURITY)   Negotiating with terrorists act of TREASON.   GIVING ARE TAX MONEY TO OTHER COUNTRIES THAT SUPPORT TERRORIST OR TERRORIST GROUPS ACT OF TREASON.     Taking down are Military by WEAKEN MILITARY READINESS YET KEEPS SENDING MANY MILLIONS OF OUR TAX MONEY TO OTHER COUNTRIES.   THIS IS OBAMA'S PLAN FOR JOBS WORKING AS HE PLANED.   MASSIVE TAX ON ALL EMPLOYERS PUTTING MILLIONS OUT OF WORK. MANY MORE EMPLOYERS CUT FULL TIMERS TO PART TIME.THE ONCE LARGEST ECONOMIC ENGINE IN THE WORLDMOTOR CITY USA SHUTDOWN   (CONDUCT WHICH UNDERMINES THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA OR ARE GOVERNMENT OR ARE NATIONAL SECURITY)   What Part of this did all Americans let anyone cut out of our hearts or are (U.S. CONSTITUTION) "The U.S. CONSTITUTION ARTICLE III SECTION 3."   MORE THEN 50 MILLION AMERICANS OUT OF WORK OR ON FOOD AID THIS YEAR 2013. AND SOME SO CALLED U.S. LEADERS OF WHAT THE WICKED ARE GOING TO KEEP SENDING YOUR TAXES OUT OF THE COUNTRY?   Why to keep taking a piece of the pie for them self's. Too many of these so called leaders went   into office with little to nothing and leave with millions, and they think that all America is that stupid.   They must be working more for them self then for GOD and Country.   Americans the next time you vote use a Black Pen not a pencil may be your vote will count.   Leaders that put pencils in the voting poll-booths need to be in jail. If they will not safe guard America who will? Pencils to vote with and the wicked call this safeguarding your vote. Anything that can be changed or tampered with is NOT to be used in a voting place ever this was taught to all board of elections back when i was a Judge. Back then many a democrat did wicked things.   Responsible   for the fall of the second most powerful man in the United States of America   Dan Rostenkowski, Democrat-Illinois   Democrat controlled and run cities are some of the highest crime places in this country. This is sad for all that live in and around them. You can not work for satan and GOD at the same time.


(" When Injustice Becomes Law Rebellion Becomes Duty " THOMAS JEFFERSON ).

("United We Will Always Stand in GOD We Trust" George Washington and Johann Paul Schott 12/24/1776. 3:45AM)

("In GOD We Trust")
The United States of America’s Motto July 30, 1956.
King David’s Motto 3,000 years ago.

Soon all the World will Pray to Our Lord GOD and Savior Jesus Christ.
 "United We Will Always Stand in Our Lord GOD and Savior Jesus Christ We Trust"
True Americans True Patriots GOD Bless  May are Lord and Savior Jesus Christ   Guide and Watch over us all.   The Lord's Little Helper   Paul Felix Schott   PS   IS THIS THE?   (((The U.S.A. land base of the Great Satan   Concealing And Laundering Billions From the Sweat and Blood Work Of Millions of Christians That follow our Lord Jesus Christ And they will cut your head off if you have a Bible just like (PAULMARSHALLJOHNSONJR.)   Islamic Republic Den Of Spies And Espionage 2209 Wisconsin Avenue N.W. Washington D.C. 20007 202-965-4990))) WE ALL NEED TO KEEP WATCH FOR TERRORIST NOT PATRIOTIC AMERICANS.

i pray we Americans are past the1750's some wicked leaders are not. Looks like then are doing witch hunts Witch-hunt undermining those with differing view of the Wicked that work not for GOD and Country.
Was US State Department Navy SEAL Sean Smith and CIA security Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods and J. Christopher Stevens lives “Silence ed” to cover up the Billions of USA Money that some of our leaders are Laundering out of America to the wicked?

JohnDahodi
JohnDahodi

Only Saudi King and other Arab dictators have come out openly to support military coup and military killings whole heartily. Too bad, Obama has still not come out cleanly condemning the military coup and demanded swift action against the culprits. Obama has to defend and nourish the infant Democracy rather than supporting and glorifying the kingdoms and dictatorships in the mid-east. 

leon1376
leon1376

I just scanned this article enough to know it's 100% on the side of the Muslim Brotherhood gangsters, as is pretty much all the American mainstream media. Why is this? Why does the Obama regime make common cause with Islamist radicals? Why does the American news media sympathize with the terrorist B-hood and al-Qaida? Everyone in the region hates the B-hood for a reason: they are a bunch of evil thugs hiding behind Islam, just like the Taliban and Hezbollah and all the rest. It will be a wonderful day when the Egyptian military totally eradicates these knuckleheads. Obama will be sad but only for a little bit. Just as long as the crease in his trousers doesn't get messed up, he'll be fine. 

wafaa
wafaa

I like to make clear that the Brotherhood traitors and terrorists do not know God and kill people everywhere and burn police stations, courts and shops in all the provinces they Brothers terrorists

Ezzeldin
Ezzeldin

They threaten Egyptians for days...blocked the streets by their marches.....cut fingers, ears, and sometimes even kilk people....fight and kill soliders in Sainai...calked for other countries to place their "fingers" in our affairs....now they are slughter police office in their stations, burns official buildings and churches, shoot fires by night on people.....

The states sacrificed 33 death because demonstrators tried to close one building and with alk the above they still support their toy in Egypt

balo1960
balo1960

President Obama must have had the knowledge of this turmoil in a situation where groups of civilian being confronted by the military. The question is: Of what importance is the critically burnt-to-death of individuals including Muslim Brotherhood are to the dignity of the Egyptian Military and American government whose ultimate interest is to keep the interest  of their allies. WE should remember that any action that do not respect the dignity of man falls short of everything good. The Military removed a democratically elected government which is the most valued cultural practice of the Americans and nothing commendable is ever done to correct the situation except rhetoric in a country where US spends $1.5billion annually. It is an insult on American Taxpayers and a serious insult  and high degree of disrespect on the dignity of democracy which is what USA stands for at all time. Well the truth shall prevail history shall expose and the spirit of the innocent souls fighting for what America stands for shall on the long run give the right justice to the faulty side of the concerned groups. I think, truth not politics is the right legacy our grand children should live upon  to make this world a peaceful place to live in. truth is bitter but it must be told.    

RussellSmith
RussellSmith

The situation in Egypt is just another opportunity for Obama to throw a monkey wrench in the works.  More turmoil in the middle east/Africa and Obama can accomplish one of his goals of keeping oil prices high, so that it benefits his "buddies/backers" invested in the green energy industry.   Also, it's a way for him to further his aim of strengthening Islamic regimes and promoting global religious and social turmoil.  By abandoning the Egyptian military, he abandon's the only true allies we have int hat country.  Their officers and senior NCO cadre are largely trained by the United States, and are the most secular and politically moderate entity in that country.

khanhtran
khanhtran

Go for it .it is your chance to get rid of this dangerous cancer before it destroy your country and others .

maledirect
maledirect

who cares  muslims  are  animals let  them  eat  each others  children

maledirect
maledirect

more  failed  obama  policies ...sad

maledirect
maledirect

great  news  eradicating  the  brotherhood  a  win  win  for  the  world

AymanNaseef
AymanNaseef

muslim brotherhood is a terrorism group they killed christians,,destroyed more than 40 church and destroyed stores and belongings of christians,and Obama support them

BaherElia
BaherElia

My Friends from all over the world, please read carefully

Muslim Brotherhood vows to bring down Egypt's government, Obama spokesman calls on Egypt government to respect "basic rights of their people", But he didn't say a word about the rampage of violence by the Muslim Brotherhood yesterday. Over 50 police officers were murdered, some stripped naked, beaten to death and their bodies dragged through the streets. Dozens of Christian churches and homes all over the country were attacked and burned, nuns and priests were attacked. And many government buildings and police stations were sabotaged, burned and destroyed. These are not peaceful protesters.

VisforVoy
VisforVoy

The problem with sweeping the moslems back under the Egyptian rug, is they actually prefer to operate out of the shadows. They're used to it, and it's all they've ever known.

What the military should have done is wiped away Morsi's Constitution changes and attempt to give himself all the powers by changing the constitution al a Sharia. Which everyone knew he was doing.

Then let him and Isam suffer the consequences of forced Islamic rule, or failure to deliver any kind of coherent argument for fair governance.

The reason why islamic extremism doesn't go away, and become moderate, is that people don't let them screw things up bad enough to get voted out of office and out of governance, which is the only thing that will send them back to the Mosque where they actually belong.

Islam works best as an optional, voluntary choice. It's when you let them gain total absolute "kill you if you don't do as allah says" control, that they get crazy. They get crazier though if you send them underground.

So this crackdown and the entire coup was a mistake. Better to let the MB show it's true colors, which is that if left unchecked by a solid Constitution, it has to become oppressive in order to fulfill the full promise of Islam, which after you see it put into practice, recognize it for what it is. Marxism.

Look at Iran to see it in action. As long as Iran has oil, it can afford to pay the poor to buy their loyalty to continue to support it. while it is a failed proposition, it works when you have a cool commodity that the world wants, and pays higher and higher prices for it. 

Egypt, has quite a lot of oil, and could have done the same thing under Morsi's attempt at the Islamic coup he was stopped from achieving.

valentine.godoflove
valentine.godoflove

IN CAPS.....SO YOU CAN SEE BETTER.......

AS IN GREEK MYTHOLOGY......AS IN THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD.......FIRST.....THERE IS CHAOS........OUT OF THIS WILL EMERGE.......THE STRONGEST......WHO WILL ENFORCE THE PEACE......IN THIS CASE.....LET US HOPE IT IS THE EGYPTIAN ARMY......WHO WILL BUILD A SECULAR EGYPT......

OBAMA AND HIS COHORTS ARE TO BLAME......FIRST ......OBAMA SUPPORTS ACHMADINAJOD OF IRAN WHO SUPPRESSED THE TRUE DEMOCRATIC REVOLUTION.....OBAMA.....BACKED HIM BY DOING NOTHING......AND THEN BACKED A TERRORIST GROUP......THE MOSLEM BROTHERHOOD.....

I SAY....THAT OOBAMA IS A TRAITOR TO THE CONSITUTION AND TOTHE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES AND IS DESTROYING THIS GREAT COUNTRY OF OURS.....

A RODEO CLOWN......CANNOT EVEN MAKE FUN OF HIM AND IS SENT TO RE-HAB......JUST LIKE COMMUNIST RE-EDUCATION CAMPS......STALIN?.....HITLER?.....MAO TSE TUNG?......OBAMA?.....

OBAMA SEEMS TO ENJOY PUSHING THE CITIZENS INTO REVOLUTION BY DESTROYING THE INSTITUTIONS ONE BY ONE......OUR CREDIT......THE ARMED FORCES......WHAT IS NEXT?

WHO WILL SAVE US FROM OBAMA.....

VALENTINE, WORLD HISTORIAN, COMEDIAN....LOL

ZuZu
ZuZu

Al Baradei is a Muslim Brotherhood through and through .  He lived most of his life outside Egypt .  His fabrication of the file 

of the WMD in Iraq paved the way for GW Bush and his Gang to invade Iraq in 2003 . Later the secretary of state Powell did 

not joined the 2nd GW Bush government .    AlBaradei was awarded the Nobel peace price for his collusion .  He and other politician should be brought to justice at the ICC.

BG
BG

Islam had it's chance to demonstrate that it could function as a true democracy and it failed as everyone knew it would because of the inherent dichotomy that Islam has with democracy.  The Egyptian people called the MB on the lie, and now the MB is offended it couldn't have it's sha'ria way under the guise of establishing "democracy."   Good for secular Egyptians.  Sadly more of them will die trying to maintain their independence from the sha'ria.

If Zero shows -any- favoritism towards re-establishing the Muslim Brotherhood he should be relieved of his Presidency immediately.  If it can be proven that members of the MB have infiltrated the American government, any politicians that have been influenced by them should be charged with crimes against humanity for attempting to advance a theocratic dictatorship.

dajadags
dajadags

the tonydockery statement right below my words is spot on and our government, kerry, obama are a horrible disgrace, and israel must wonder what has happened to our common sense. shame, shame on the united states. get some guts and support the egyptian army and condemn the sharia brotherhood.  makes you wonder about obama now, my oh my.

tonydockery
tonydockery

Anytime you have Muslims involved in a democracy you will have failure..They only want to enhance their power they do not embrace democracy they embrace Mullahs who in turn make the laws of the land..  Egyptian peoples  kicked out Morsi because they do not want to be dominated by religious fanatics because they know their country would become just like Iran.. I praise them in their struggle to free themselves from these religious tyrants...Americans should join hands and support their actions to become a free democracy and not an Islamic hot bed of crazy mullahs. Coup yes it was but I think it was necessary because to delay would mean the Islamic fundamentals would get so entrenched as to never be free from them. Timing is everything and now is the time.

carma_aadel
carma_aadel

@TIME wrong. . Why don't you say' delay army to intervene to end the chaos. Give an opportunity for further terrorism.?,

Karl
Karl

Egypt went off the cliff. Today, tomorrow or in a decade there will be payback. We should call this a coup already, cut off aid and win some major points in the Arab world by recalling our ambassador. It's not going to be business as usual there for a long time. And to be cynical the junta will go to our gulf oil allies for help. And they will get it. It's not in our interest to publicly side with them. And there  is a real possibility that your dad's Near East, the one that began with Nasser and the seizure of the Suez Canal from Britain and France in 56 ended yesterday. Like London then, we need to read the writing on the wall..

YehudaElyada
YehudaElyada

Morsi was rather irresponsible when, on 12 August 2012, he forced the resignation of the top military echelon, thus reversing the traditional power structure in Egypt: the army is the supreme authority; the politicians govern only with the army approval. His inspiration came from Turkey, where Erdugan pulled this amazing trick a year earlier, replacing the entire Turkish armed forces supreme command with his chosen officers. The Egyptian general staff is no more neither less 'Islamic' than the general populace, but no one, not even the El Baradei will take away any of their privileges without paying with blood.

Wisdomwithage
Wisdomwithage

Since Obama's ill-informed speech before the University gathering in Cairo 5 years ago, the Middle East has erupted like a wildfire.

American influence worldwide has deteriorated to the point where we are the laughing stock throughout the world.

Rome's fires are burning stronger!

BobFlynn
BobFlynn

the bottom line here is, Muslims hate the U.S. Muslims kill Americans....So what we have here is a win win situation--muslims killing muslims..don't interfere...remember the Civil War in the U.S. over 600 thousand dead..leave these countries alone..keep the money here in our country...we'll have more money left over for the welfare democrats

StephenReal
StephenReal

@solardowork  You need to get out of the country on your own dime. it reads like you've never been out of your county in at least the last ten years I'm guessing

StephenReal
StephenReal

@AazobaYuzuki A seventeen year old girl shot in the head is hardly an idiot. You see these pictures?

JohnDahodi
JohnDahodi

@leon1376 

Only one and good reason is that the Islamist Government was legitimately elected using one vote per person, and in democracy minority have rights but they cannot overtake the majority rights by allowing the military to take over the nation and start killing majority using fierce military force. Christians and defeated goons of Egypt should have co-operated the elected government to rule with some adjustment rather than using their power to topple the elected government and create havoc and inferno in Egypt. They will surely suffer much more in the coming days and months. The talks of terrorism and fear of Hizbullah are not going to save them in the future. They will have to be loyal to their motherland rather than plot against the nation.   

JohnDahodi
JohnDahodi

@wafaa 

If there is one percent truth in your arguments about terrorism of BH; how come millions of their supporters are on the streets and ready to die? And, if the majority is still supporting them, there is no other way out but the disgruntled and disloyal minorities should take refuge in their chosen quarters, may be in America and let the Nation survive. 

haytham_says
haytham_says

@maledirect no sir we r not animals we are human beings just like u we love & hate we cry & feel pain we sin & atone , the difference is that we got the true god Allah  & you did not oops.!!

mrateb
mrateb

@maledirect Sorry to disappoint u,but it is a loss to the Obama Administration which pinned all its hopes on the Brotherhood to implement the USA agenda in the Middle East.Why is your Ambassador so pissed off.Why did she warn Egyptians prior to June 30th of going against the Brotherhood and to prove how despicable she is she Just issued a statement that Christians are a smaller minority than the 18 million supporters of the brotherhood!.God only Knows where did she get the 18 Million number when that Morsi could gather in round 1 of the Presidential elections was 5 million Votes ,In the second round he won through the votes of the liberals but could only win by 800,000 votes

Your administration supported the election of the Brotherhood why not give them Asylum if Obama is so worried about their fate but did not even bother to mention the Churches that were burned.

If Muslims are animals as u claim ,how about Americans?They are worst than animals, How much did they kill in their short 200 years of history or how about Guantanamo

leon1376
leon1376

@BaherElia Exactly, Baher. I was thinking the same thing. The entire Obama regime is calling the Egyptian military begging them to "pull back" but have we heard of a single call by anyone in the Obama regime to the Brotherhood thugs asking them to "pull back"? No, we have not. Right there tells you all you need to know about how the Obama regime feels about the Egyptians. The Obama regime is doing the same thing in Syria. Arming terrorists trying to bring down Assad. What is going on with these people? Are they nuts, or what?  

leon1376
leon1376

@Karl Wrong, Karl. First, the Egyptians hated Anne Patterson the American ambassador with a visceral hatred because she was 100% on the side of the Brotherhood. Same with the new ambassador Obama is trying to send to Egypt. Egyptians hate him even worse. What's this "major points" in the Arab world? America's reputation in the Middle East is on the same level as fossilized whale dung. All the US has done is pour gasoline all over the region and light a match. The Obama regime pretends to be all about "democracy" but meanwhile, the CIA is funneling weapons to Islamist crazies. Just like Holder got caught running assault rifles to Mexican narcos. And by the way, it's not "the Near East"; it's "the Middle East". Google it. 

Nidaa
Nidaa

@YehudaElyada  an elected president has the power to remove any commanding officer or event the army chief. Is not that how it works in democracy?. President Obama fired a commanding general in Afghanistan.

leon1376
leon1376

@Wisdomwithage They stopped laughing when Obama spent a billion dollars of US taxpayer funds hunting down Ghadaffi so the crazies could violate him with a short stick. What did Ghadaffi ever do to Obama to deserve that? What did Assad ever do to Obama tgo have his country ripped apart? What did Mubarak ever do to Obama to bring in the Brotherhood gangsters? What makes is especially obscene is that Obama has a Nobel Peace Prize. Nope. Nobody's laughing, my friend. 

leon1376
leon1376

@JohnDahodi @leon1376 Democracy has been described as "two wolves and a lamb taking a vote on what they'll have for lunch". You're proposing that the lamb should have "cooperated" with the wolves. Now that's a really stupid idea, isn't it? You mention the Muslim Brotherhood was "legitimately elected". Fair enough. But once they got in, they broke all their promises about respecting minority rights. They turned out to be the same Muslim Brotherhood gangsters everyone hates. As a result, 30 million Egyptians took to the streets and "unelected" the B-hood. That also is democracy. What's going to happen now? The Egyptian military is going to hunt down every last B-hood thug and either shoot them dead or let them rot in prison. If the B-hood had kept their promises to the people and governed in a just and fair manner, none of this would have happened. But of course that's not in the B-hood's DNA, is it? Remember, these are the people who promised to blow up the "pagan" pyramids, for crying out loud. The Brotherhood is nothing less than Egypt's version of the Taliban and those guys are some world-class knuckleheads.

Karl
Karl

@leon1376 @Karl Sorry Leon, I'm bi-lingual and in German it's still Near East, as it used to be in English before the USA became the dominant English-speaking country. Europeans called it the Near East as opposed to the Far East. Think about it, if it's the Mid East then what is the Near East? Western Europe? It's just linguistics and you didn't know that the term changed in English since the world war.

YehudaElyada
YehudaElyada

@Nidaa @YehudaElyada you're right. In a democracy the army will accept the supreme authority of the elected civilian government. But Egypt is not and never was a democracy. The elections not withstanding, the army, most of the ruling classes and all the uneducated masses do not internalize the real meaning of democracy. It start with the sanctity of life, the dignity of the individual, the rule of just law, and the willingness to settle all political and social differences through civilian give-and-take compromises. To make democracy a  winning proposition in Egypt, try starting with democratic education for all, free media, restrained politics and love promoting clergy. 

elevatorhead1
elevatorhead1

@Nidaa @YehudaElyada However, There is no democracy in a Islamic countries, The Egyptian Military is presently fighting for just that, Obama is one stupid President, he supports Morsi and the Muslim brotherhood and they are affiliated with terrorist organizations through out the Middle east.  if you look around the Middle east almost all the Islamic ruling countries are violent and discriminatory against non Muslims  

leon1376
leon1376

@JohnDahodi @leon1376 You need to get your head screwed on straight, pal. Who are the "you guys" you talk about? I don't live in Egypt; I live in Arizona (thank Jesus; Allah; Buddha; and the Dali Lama for that)  The Obama regime was best friends with Morsi. Anne Patterson was Morsi's buddy. John McCain came to Egypt crying alligator tears over Morsi's downfall. The Obama regime has been calling the Egyptian generals ten times a day trying to get them to let up on the B-hood. So who are these "you guys"? Huh? The American government supported Morsi 100% until he screwed up and started acting like a gangster. Maybe the "you guys" are the 30 million ordinary Egyptians who hit the streets and "unelected" the thug Morsi. Go talk to them. Don't get mad at me. I'm not going to "suffer" either. Oh, by the way. Just to really make you mad, there's a big mosque right up the street from my house here in Scottsdale, and it's surrounded by Christian churches. Everybody gets along fine. That's really gotta burn you up I bet., right? Christians and Muslims living together in peace. Like they did in Egypt before the crazy Muslim Brotherhood came long. 

JohnDahodi
JohnDahodi

@leon1376 @JohnDahodi 

looks like you live in the fools paradise. In democracy, minority have minor part, rights and life standards. It is existing in America and Europe and every where there is Democracy. Yes, basic rights are common for all, but other racial and religious partiality still exists even in these highly civilized countries, and they took more than 2-3 centuries to reach there. You Christian minority, although have rich luck and financial power, but in democracy, you will have to accept your limited power or otherwise, you will be weeded out easily, and no one will shed any tears for you. You guys have foolishly toppled the elected government and became a tool in the hands of traitors to remove the legitimate government and created ahvoc, now for years you will suffer. 

leon1376
leon1376

@Karl @leon1376 Actually, I'm the one who should apologize. I've read enough history to know better. The French term is "Proche-Orient" I believe. In my defense, I've always had a talent for invective and polemics (something for which I'm not terribly proud) and I tend to shoot from the lip. Maybe that's because I've lived in Arizona almost all my life and we're famous for our "shooters".  In any case, thanks for the correction. (Thought for the day: if you're a real smart guy and speak more than one language, does that make you a cunning linguist?)