Clashes Erupt in Egypt As Protesters March Against Earlier Bloodshed

Fueled by this week's bloody crackdown, Muslim Brotherhood supporters took to the streets Friday, sparking more deadly clashes

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Sezabo_
Sezabo_

As an Egyptian muslim, I am not happy seeing images of Egyptian violence here and there. But I am relieved, myself, my family, and most of my friends that the Muslim Brotherhood is gone from power and that their short but tensed and ugly rule is over. I dont agree on the killing and I am sure there are innocent lives lost there. But I blame the Brotherhood leaders and support the army.

msislam_50
msislam_50

There is no clash at all in #Egypt . It is only called to be mass murder. Do you think removing an elected government is any act to be seen as democratic in character? Who has given the right to SESSI to remove MURSI ? The election was conducted by the same army . They have conducted all the process. Not once it was 5 times the people have elected or supported Muslim Brotherhood during one year. Do you not give them the right to rule? Do you follow all the rules in other parts of the world.? Where are now the organisations vocal for democracy in Middle East ? Why you not follow your own demand? 

One more thing , when you reject the force of BALLOT , that means you are advocating the force of BULLET . Do not force them to select the BULLET . Otherwise it will not be good for ISRAEL

sou
sou

This is not a clash.. Egyptians are fighting against terrorism of Morsi 's Muslim Brotherhood and his supporters of Ka'ida & muslim fundamentalists

sou
sou

why don't you show photos of Muslim Brotherhood burning 63 churches all over Egypt and setting houses of Egyptian Christians? why don't you show attacks of Morsi's supporter on police stations in the same day near the mosque? why don't show Morsi supporters torturing to death policemen in Kerdasa, Awsan & Fayoum and killing of 25 policemen unarmed in North Sinai?? Is that because your administration supports the terrorist Morsi & his Ka'ida supporter??

jaketavera
jaketavera

I would like to recommend that you increase your budget in a given assignment so that both sides can be covered fairly. Your photo presentation of the event in Egypt is too one sided that leads me to question its motive and credibility. By the way, where is your picture of the torched Christian churches, the policemen inside a police vehicle pushed from a bridge, etc? Egyptians are proud and strong-willed people and I believe Egypt will come out of this tragedy stronger than ever in spite of foreign meddling and bias reporting by western media.

MohamedAbdallah
MohamedAbdallah

Kill in us more and more ,our souls cursing your rule ... 

t_tanimoto
t_tanimoto

@marinchororin やばいよね、今のエジプトは。精神的にはシリアよりきつそう。

EmadSidhom
EmadSidhom

Would you, by any chance, have some photos of the burnt churches and nuns' schools, or your photographer is a full time MB photographer?

Ali56
Ali56

I think you cover the clash very poor because they are only 16 pics for more than 24Hs .Why your  photographer didn't cover what happened on 6October bridge near Ramses square ?Why he didn't take pics of the sniper shooting from the Mosque on the Police ? You take a photo of someone lies on the floor answering his cell phone with his bloody hand that suppose to be infected .

vanaja
vanaja

that is the reason sarkari naukri people are fighting against the govt

but the forces are trying to suppress them

Rock_Rogers
Rock_Rogers

@TIME Mummy's Revenge for Disturbing The Valley of Kings - Modern Egypt now living the mummy' curse.

AhmadGebely
AhmadGebely

@TIME you are not stating the full information or even near it looks very obvious to me that you are supporting terrorism it

Hodazsaleh
Hodazsaleh

@TIME they are nothing but terrorists. Why don't you mention the burned churches and the terrorized priests and nuns.

paulgeorges
paulgeorges

How soemone not insane nor terrorist can support "brotherhood" for what they done and their goal ? /www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RG_OKscRHA

Fadel Fadel
Fadel Fadel

After the revolution in January 25th 2011 and for the first time in 7 decades we had in Egypt real elections, and since the Egyptians are religious by nature, in five referendums and elections they chose Muslim Brotherhood (MB) being the most moderate Muslims and due to their support for the poor people. Since the 1954 we were ruled by military officers till Mubarak. Likewise all corrupted institutes in a military ruled country the police was serving the regime and keeping it alive and the reward was cutting them lose to face regime enemies beside financial rewards. The Military was backing up the regime as an extension to them, however they were not pleases when Mubarak declared his intension that his successor will be his son Gamal. Although he was the son of their leader but explicitly they refused that for only one reason that he is civilian. Under the pressure of January 25th 2011 revolution they stepped back to rearrange their cards. Together with the old regime persons including judges, media, businessmen,……. started the game, they hindered and stopped all real changes to be made towards a free democratic country. All the political parties born after the revolutions did not have the experience nor the power to stand against them. In addition to the anti-political islam they heavily charged against the elected civilian president. Regardless who would had been elected the army, the police and the old regime will never let go. The Egyptians were manipulated to stand against the new regime through the media (and we all know what the media can do) till 30.6.3013 when the Egyptians nominated the army (after the army requested that ) to save the country from the new regime. That was the last scene of January 2011 revolution, re-evolving of the old regime and the starting of the coup. Since then protestors are in the streets refusing the coup and when the coup could not bear the internal and external pressure they elected to play the last card by getting rid of the sit-downs in Rabbaa and many other places that refuses the coup. In three days they killed more than 4000 and injured more than 30000. The coup leaders saying that who are in the streets are the Muslim brother hood and they have weapons and they are terrorists, which is totally not true. They are trying to sell that to all the world. Despite the killing toll, hundreds of thousands are protesting all over Egypt refusing the coup and they are ready to be killed for the future of their country and children, we need our children to live and be raised in a democratic country. Its worth mentioning that starting 1954 and till 1965 almost 120000 of the muslim brotherhood were killed because they asked the army to fulfill his promise and call for a presidential and parliament election in addition for a constitution. The first president (1952-1954) General/ Mohamed Nagieb was ousted by the army because we was in favor of the civilian country and was going to call for elections and new constitution.

Ragab SaQr
Ragab SaQr

All the spectra of the people in the street against the military coup ... It's a popular revolution for democracy, freedom and dignity, do not say that just the Muslim Brotherhood are in the street as a protesters .... that's unfair for neighborhoods and martyrs.

Ãĥmêď Ģĥãņêm
Ãĥmêď Ģĥãņêm

المواقع الاجنيه كن ايجابي 1- القيادي الإخواني وليد خطاب: سنغرق الشوارع "بالدم".. وضباط الشرطة والجيش ليس لهم عندنا دية Muslim Brotherhood leader Walid Khatab says "The streets would sink in blood and the police and army are of no value to us http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tm887hVNM-A ================== 2- أحد أنصار مرسي يهدد "بحرق البلاد" بعد القبض عليه في "النهضة" A Morsi supporter threatenes to burn the country after being arrested at Al Nahda sit in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g49VlsGtd0 ================ 3- مقاومة الإخوان أثناء فض اعتصام رابعة العدوية Muslims Brotherhood resisting police during the disengagement of the sit in at Rab3a al Adaweya http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GO3Rh3OdDOg ================= 4- الأسلحة التي تم ضبطها أثناء فض اعتصامي "رابعة" و"النهضة" Weapons that have been seized during the disengagement of the sit in at Al Nahda http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owIS8IqiRek =================== 5- الأمن يعثر على نعش مملوء بالذخيرة ومسدسات خرطوش في "النهضة Security found a coffin filled with ammunition, pistols, cartridges at Al Nahda sit in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIAX41kLkdY ================= 6- الاخوان يحرقون الخيم و ممتلكاتهم قبل فض اعتصامهم Brotherhood burning tents and belongings before Disengagement their sit-in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdkb0XfYrJ0 =============== 7- أعمال عنف ومهاجمة منشآت حكومية بمصر Violence and attacks of government installations in Egypt http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkGn7h_eeuY ================ 8- .. إضرام النار في كنيسة بالمنيا A fire set on in a church in Minya http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRNq3KCSmhw ================ 9- استخراج أكثر من 20 جثة مقتولة من أسفل منصة رابعة العدوية More than 20 dead bodies found under Rab3a Al Adaweya platform http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1paxyysbOBc ============== 10- عناصر الإخوان يشعلون الحرائق في القاهرة Brotherhood elements ignite fires in Cairohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REZv5E4bFvk ============== 11- الإخوان يقطعون شارع جامعة الدول العربية وملثمون يطلقون أعيرة نارية Muslims Brotherhood cut Game3et Al Dewal Street and the masked men fire shots http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTTTNpgsRKY =============== 12- الإخوان يقطعون شارع جامعة الدول العربية وملثمون يطلقون أعيرة نارية Muslims Brotherhood cut Game3et Al Dewal Street and the masked men fire shots http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JdL9lPU9mw =============== 13- الشرطة تضبط كمية كبيرة من الأسلحة والرصاص الحي بإعتصام النهضة Police seized a large quantity of weapons and live ammunition at Al Nahda sit in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lROCtr2hyNU ============== 14- مشاهد مقتل ضباط قسم كرداسة على يد عناصر من الإخوان Scenes of the killing os Kerdasa Department officers by members of the Muslim Brotherhood http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljuk2WH3iYE ============== 15- فيديو سحل وقتل سائق التاكسي من قبل مؤيدي الرئيس المعزول بالأسكندرية Dragging and killing of a taxi driver by supporters of the outsed president in Alexandria http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VYsU9goF74 =============== 16- معتصمو رابعة يضرمون النار بمسجد رابعة العدوية قبل مغادرتهم Protesters setting fire at Rabaa Al Adaweya mosque before departure http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsLd6GOI7yg&feature=share =================== 17- شاهد غرفة الإعدام بالمستشفى الميدانى وحبل المشنقة فى رابعة العدوية Field execution chamber and the gallows at the hospital at Rabaa Al Adaweya http://videoyoum7.com/?p=218865 ================ 18- فضيحــــــــه عالميـــــه يقوم ببثها التليفزيون المصرى لجماعه الاخوان المسلمين وشاهد ماذا فعلوا Worldwide scandal broadcasted by the Egyptian television of the Muslim Brotherhood and watch what they did http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfoWLuro-X8&feature=share ====================== 19- حاول الاخوان قتل مصورين اثناء تصويرهم استخدام الاخوان للرشاشات Muslims Brotherhood tried to kill photographers while being filmed using their gunshttps://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=544233678957492 شير وانشر يا مصرى فى كل المواقع الاجنبيه افضحوهم القيادي الإخواني وليد خطاب: سنغرق الشوارع "بالدم".. وضباط الشرطة والجيش ليس لهم عندنا دية www.youtube.com جريدة الوطن جريدة يومية مستقلة http://www.elwatannews.com/ Twitter:

Aly W Muhannd
Aly W Muhannd

Please see what is happening in Egypt and why home over 30 million people impose order authorizing the military to end the terrorism which Obama, however, transplant however wants to intervene in private if they wish, and the army wants to continue in the disbursement of funds for the great American people on terrorism www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=13oLh6PzAWQ

Heba Hussein
Heba Hussein

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Heba Hussein
Heba Hussein

If you are supporting them ,give them a viza to yuor country www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=689354234427996&set=a.354188607944562.96292.354147377948685&type=1&theater Photo Timeline Photos By: الاخوان كاذبون

Um Ahmed
Um Ahmed

Peace be upon those who follow guidance. And yet ... *** Thank you this message that will show a series of risks surrounding the approach of human civilization (you are in that party) to begin the recounting must have occurred in the past and occur before our eyes in the present, while track path Terrorism in Egypt know well that you are official in all grazing countries in the world and why every toddler in Egypt knows what I say Billion people great for breeding terrorism in the afterlife will be back this terrorism that is making Obama the greatest people In the mind are the largest atlaalm umry that on your hand because polar mean Russian Federation's largest science advice to you when I left for a large American chance love between people of science and international terrorism making you live

Ovadia Moshe
Ovadia Moshe

The world does not understand who is the Muslim Brotherhood ! He should support the government that now - the real democracy !

Um Ahmed
Um Ahmed

Egypt's message to the West and terrorism * * * * * * * * * * * * * West, during more than a decade, looking for one demonstration, if only 10 people in the Islamic world condemns terrorism, or flying a banner one orphan says: ' no, terrorism. "should he change his view of the West today for Muslims and Arabs when he saw in Egypt more than 30 million Egyptians fill the streets and squares Egypt refusing to terrorism, holding signs reading:" no to terrorism ", the Egyptian armed forces donors delegate requested to resist violence and terrorism. No one in the West was dreaming to see such a scene during the century. However, perhaps reluctant left West especially, and buried his head in the sand, claiming that he did not see the millions on the streets, and it wouldn't surprise me in the title "guardian» stronghold left British, describes these demonstrations that reject terrorism, authorizing the military and police, as the demonstrations" coup. " Type this, and I know most of the writers of the West and their journalists who draw pictures in newspapers or writing visible in TV, who themselves perceive terrorism and Arabs are twins adjacent. These won't aorta them millions of Egyptians who took to the streets at the height of their breaking free, and their eyes will remain outstanding adawiyyah square, where advocates of extremism and terrorism, and will pronounce the name of God them these writers of today's victims of the coup d ' état, or advocates of legality and human rights. Inverted logic. And not the "guardian" alone is not able to absorb, from moral superiority and possibly racist, that Arabs and Muslims are able to renounce violence and terrorism, but in the Washington Post newspaper, which did not hesitate to label what happened in Egypt that de-legitimize Morsi, brotherhood, and feel free to also nominate coup July 3 (July). It also did not hesitate to report, today, from Cairo, to say that the army fired on protesters rabaa, this is needed to establish, where the Egyptian army commanders say frankly that the army is aiming to bombard people. And I believe what the army, and I do not believe "Washington Post." the more absurd the media landscape of the Egyptian revolution, you have to read what you write "»" fake weeping Israeli brotherhood and Hamas, Israel has been bombarding Hamas. "Ha'aretz Israeli ", Yes, is the meat and blubber from behind every crime Israel frets about Hamas. When we read all this to defend Morsi and "brotherhood and Hamas, which was condemned by the Western press as a sponsor of terrorism, and were legally classified in America and Israel as a terrorist organization, when you see this odd defense, must be wondering: Hey, what the Government and the brotherhood Morsi to Israel to get all this desperate defense? Do you shop and handed over the goods to Israel, or that there are major regional deal, details of which were not clear yet? I am against violence anywhere; Either tayran against protesters in or continued systematic violence brotherhood in the eyes of a revolution days, when converted to Metro entrance brotherhood to prison for torture. When tortured to death in a tunnel, for they thought that State security officers on the Mubarak regime. This is not an article about Egypt, but Egypt and their ability to develop an ethical dilemma in the West when linking terrorism to Arabs and Muslims. ترى لماذا يتنكر الغرب اليوم لما كان "يبوس» أقدامنا كي نفعله بالأمس. أمس, كان الغرب, وبعد أحداث الحادي عشر من سبتمبر, يبحث عن صوت عربي أو وجه عربي يدين الإرهاب من دون لكن, ومن دون تبريرات, واليوم, يغمض الغرب عينيه عن ملايين وطوفان من البشر خرج للشوارع رافضا للإرهاب; هل الخوف من شبح عبد الناصر الذي بدأ يظهر على وجه الفريق أول عبد الفتاح السيسي? بالمناسبة, السيسي ليس عبد الناصر, فقد قاد عبد الناصر الثورة وهو برتبة مقدم, أي أن السيسي هو عبد الناصر مضافا إليه أنه أكبر عمرا, وأنه أكثر خبرة وأكثر تعليما ودهاء. السيسي هو خلطة مصرية خالصة تخلط عبد الناصر بالسادات في ناصع صور الوطنية المصرية, لكن ليس هذا هو الموضوع. الموضوع هو أن مصر وضعت الغرب في مأزق, فبينما يرفض المصريون الإرهاب جهارا نهارا, وأيضا في ليل رمضان, يتخلى الغرب عن حربه على الإرهاب, مما يشكك أكثر في دوافع تلك الحرب. فها هو الإرهاب الذي كنتم تحاربونه وتقفون ضده بالأمس, نحن نقف ضده اليوم; فماذا جرى? أم أن حربهم (كما كان يقول المشككون) هي امتداد لتراث استعماري بغيض يبتغي التوسع في بلاد العرب والمسلمين? Why masquerading as West for his war on terrorism today? You who reject terrorism are of dark facies of the West that portrays them as terrorists, and not as a stand against terrorism? Is it because the pictures from Egypt in a deluge of people plugging into the Sun put the West and intellectuals in a moral and cultural predicament to see himself, and is motivated by moral excellence and alleged racial refuses to back down to that pride prevents it? Egypt today changed the entire region. On the 25th of January, we in Egypt are looking for change in search of the spirit of Egypt. Fight for Egypt. Today, Egypt has been fighting a war against extremism throughout the region of tolerant Islam as a cover for everything against Islam from the horror of murder. Egypt also has been fighting on behalf of the whole world the phenomenon of terrorism and violence in the name of religion. Egypt also has been fighting on behalf of Arabs and Muslims against the West's stereotypes, that image stuck with Muslims. I defy anyone to go out these demonstrations, in this setting, in any Western capital, condemning violence and terrorism. In Egypt, do not refuse to learn, but as the day our teacher Web site. Accept cautiously, we have many errors must recognize them, but you also have moral crisis must admit.

vrome
vrome

Oppose terrorism by supporting freedom of speech, religion, assembly, association and demonstration.

Carter Helmy
Carter Helmy

Dear friends, you might have heard the current situation of Egypt lately, please note that for some political benefits and trends the international media is trying to reflect a deceiving and lying image regarding the Egyptian Army and government, the truth is the Egyptian Army and Police are against a group of terrorist and extremists known as “Islamist brotherhood” they were always considered as a hostile group of terrorists all over of the word supported by Al Qaeda terrorist group. All of the moderate Egyptians Muslims & Christians are against those terrorists and their goals specially after their hostile behaviour against civilians, blocking streets, burning hospitals, factories, Churches terrifying people and killing police and army members, on the other hand using Hamas (an armed Palestinian terrorist group) in attacking Egyptian lands on North Sinai , I can’t understand the reaction of the American and European Governments except being totally unfair taking the wrong and evil side, I hope they will realize that what goes around comes around and when you enhance a deadly contagious virus you can easily get affected with it , may God protect Egypt and it’s national loyal army …SHARE PLEASE....

عبدالله علي
عبدالله علي

the us the god of terroism in the world us killed more than 1 m pp in iraq 2 m ppl in vitnam made a mas scrasm in libya in somal in afganestan us the only country wich used the nuclear weapons in japan and nw us support the muslim brotherhood in egypt uk who invented the mb as like the us inventd el qaada so the west specialy the us who shold shut up u who take ppl of africa as a slaves u who made a mascars againest the red indians the native american and the emperial western countries who invaded our lands for maney decades go and cry on yr crimes and just shut up

vrome
vrome

@AhmadGebely @TIME We have a free press in this country.  Anybody can report anything they want without government interference.  Perhaps you are the one that is mislead.

vrome
vrome

@Carter Helmy 

Many Americans believe that terrorism is best fought elsewhere and by others.  

We know the Muslim Brotherhood is a terrorist organization.  But so is the military coup and the Egyptian puppet regime of General al-Sissy.  Like the Muslim Brotherhood, the Egyptian military and the Egyptian Government are intent on denying basic human rights to others.  This is a conflict which has no good guys in the arena.  

vrome
vrome

@عبدالله علي 

Despite the language barrier, I can tell that you are very intelligent and educated.  I truly admire the fact that your post does not resemble many of the posts that have been made by supporters of the Egyptian military thus far on this site.  Most of those posts have resembled propaganda talking points and showed little variance.  Overall the canned messages were really quite boring to read and probably did little to advance any cause because most Americans can recognize scripts and targeted form letters.

From the best I can discern, the focus of your argument is that, in your opinion, the United States is a bad country for the many reasons you cite, and as a result, Americans should "cry' on our own crimes and "just shut up" or not criticize the recent Egyptian military actions taken against peaceful protesters.  That's not going to happen.  You cannot expect Americans to condone by silence atrocities committed against civilians by a government. We don't endorse state-sponsored terrorism and we value the freedoms of speech, association, and demonstration.  In fact, I bet the average American would glad fight and die to protect another American's rights.    

I also believe that the foundation of your argument is seriously flawed.  I am quite amused that you take issue with the history of slavery in America, yet you neglect to mention that the Egyptian Pyramids were build by slaves.  Both were morally wrong.  But the present world is a vastly different world than the past world.  And yes, the American past is scarred by despicable barbarity, but those hideous past events only serve now to enhance the beauty of being a present-day American.  Because, from the shadow of the ugliness of slavery, genocide, and war, emerged a diverse and cohesive society that values freedom, human rights, and life.  Yes, genocide occurred against the Native American peoples.  Yes, Africans were brought to the Americas as slaves.  And yes, the atomic bomb was employed against Japan.  But as I said before, the world is different today. And if America goes to war tomorrow, I can assure you, defending America will be African Americans, Native American, Japanese Americans, and a whole host of others who recognize that the United States is worth preserving. And though our enemies may be filled with hate, we have many friends.  And Japan will be one of those countries standing with us.  They have forgiven the United States so you can't coop their misfortunes for your agenda.  It simply doesn't work.

ThomasAdamson
ThomasAdamson

@vrome The Muslim Brotherhood is not a terrorist organization, please do your research instead of believing whatever is said on television. Just because something is said by the media on television does not make it true, you have to do your own research to make sure you are not being lied to and manipulated, as is often the case with the Western media. As it is the Western media that always leads people in and out of wars, helping the war profiteers that are part of the 'military industrial complex' that former Presidents Eisenhower and Kennedy warned in their last speech.

RamonRoman
RamonRoman

@vrome Social history 101 according to Vrome! So American the analysis of Vrome. So the history of America is the continuous bumps of the best country of the world, with the world. Why these bumps, Vrome? Is there a social or economic answer to all of this? Please, don't simplify the history of the world, even since the birth of America. Just one small thought: Why the slaves? Give me your best shot. Why they brought slaves to America? For status? Come on, don't be shy. I'll wait for your answer. Everything is connected in the history of mankind.

The last thing, Vrome, don't generalized and give a discourse so full of love implying that the Americans at large value freedom, human rights and life. Did you forget the history of the USA supporting every dictator in the world that supplies the prime material, so you can enjoy LIFE?. What about the meddling of a lot of your governments overthrowing other democratics governments by proxi because those awful governments didn't want to follow the line of the big daddy? This has to do with human rights that you mention above. What about the continuous support for Israel, not only spiritual support but with 6 billion free taxpayer dollars a year. Do the Israel government respect the human rights of the Palestine people? Do the Israeli terrorized this people with its war machine every time they FEEL THREATENED by these "Terrorists". What about all the resolutions of the UN condemning the zionists for these crimes and every time VETOED by your country, Where is your outrage, Vrome?

Now finally, you say you value freedom (Explain freedom please) but you say nothing to the Patriot Act and the NSA and the continuous stepping on the constitution by your policemen. Have you heard of the "STOP AND FRISK" IN NY. You are like all the protestant preachers in your country, they dupe the rest so they can reach a heaven that only exist in their minds.

vrome
vrome

@RamonRoman @vrome 

Hello,

Thanks for your reply. I am going to defer responding to your comments here because they go beyond the scope of the original initiator of this threat of conversation.

RamonRoman
RamonRoman

@vrome @RamonRoman In no part of my post I assert that you cannot criticize the general of the conflict. What I criticize is the idealism or every young American to describe his country. A flawless country, that have brought more good than bad to the world and he surround it with angelic motivation. Nobody can deny that your constitution is a piece of work that all the countries of the world must copy. But one thing is the constitution and another the reality of your country internally and externally, namely in the world. You are just one voice trying to show the displeasure that you feel for the behaviour of the evil general. But you don't represent your country. Your government supported Mubarak for more than 30 years, Where was your outrage. Your government supports terrorists and human flest eating in Syria, Where is your outrage? Your government created Al Qaeda in Afghanistan, simply because the communists were there. Where was your outrage, YOU HAVE TO BE CONSISTENT AS A HUMAN BEING.

Vrome, the last thing that I want to write to you if you read my post, Do you see any connection in the behaviour of your government in supporting the General and not condemning the COUP D'ETAT, and the support of your governmet of the terrorists in Syria? Why?

RamonRoman
RamonRoman

@vrome @RamonRoman Thank you Vrome for pointing up my vagueness of my assertions or my inquiries.  I write, seemingly in a vague way, because I expect that the person who reads my post is aware, or at least know, the causes of what I write and realize the merit in itself of what history show us. If I have to explain every point that I express, I would have to show the validity of my opinion, citing phylosophers or historians, that may be you are goint to find no validity in what they declare.

The history of mankind, is not the history of isolated entes, but the history of interconnections among the different societies that composed the civilization  amd the development of the humans as groups and not as individuals. The essential connection was to get the wherewithals to survive, namely, how to feed, how to protect themselves against the inclement weather and to defend themselves against the predators and against other groups that tried to steal their possessions: food and clothes.

In essence, the development and the continuing existence of our species is the fight for the survival of every group of human beings that have been kept together by race, culture, or by the need to stay together to be more strong. What I try to say, if I put my discourse in a way to be understood, that every thing that the human race, our species, have done to survive is for Economics reasons.

  When I gave you the example of the slaves, I thought that you understood it, was that to show you that the slaves were brought to America, or to any part of the world, was for economical reasons, namely, free labour, that lasted until the slave was dead. Now to make it more recent and proving my point, Why do you think the Mexicans try to come to the USA in hordes? Because they want freedom? or because they find the work that is negated in their country?  Economic reasons, don't you think?  If the right wings of your country succeed in blocking the entrance of this cheap labor into the USA, Who do you think are going to be against this move?  Without hesitation I assert you, is going to be the American farmers, because the American at large won't do it.

 At present, Why do you think, the China, the USA, Russia and every country of the world try to secure an entry to large societies? For the love of humanity?

 I don't want to stretch any more my writing, but I would like to ask you this, Why the USA is protecting the Zionist state, even promising the blood of its young American to defend it?  I want you to do the research and find the answer, I won't do it. If I wasn't clear enough, I beg your pardon, but I am only a humble and unlettered human being that is trying to find some of the truth before I die.

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@RamonRoman @vrome 

Hello RamonRoman, thank you for responding to my post.  

I read your response, however, I can't help but notice that you did little to refute the points of my earlier comments.  At best I can tell, you simply took the opportunity to verbally bash the United States. 

In paragraph one, you have chiefly posed numerous questions to me with a demand that I answer them.  I'm choosing to not do so, as question asking does not impeach the validity of any argument on its own.  Those are your questions, not mine.  If you feel the need to answer them to advance your position, then go ahead and answer them, and I may reply as long as it doesn't diverge this conversation from the discussion of the human abuses of Al-Sissy's regime.

In paragraph two, you implore my "discourse so full of love".  You go on to try to convey that most Americans do not value freedom nor human rights.  As your proof, you cite:  alleged US government support of unspecified dictators;  alleged US governmental meddling in other unidentified democracies; and finally, the US support of the state of Israel though Israel deals brutally with Palestinians.  In your first two points of this paragraph, I cannot address what hasn't been mentioned.  Vagueness does nothing to further your argument and is simply nothing more than accusations.  The final point in paragraph two which you mentioned regards the US support of Israel.  I will address that point later in this post.

In your final paragraph, you attempt to discredit my valuing freedom because I made no mention of the Patriot Act, the NSA program, or the Stop and Frisk police policy in NY.   An ad ignoratiam argument is what you present.  Drawing any conclusion based on what hasn't been said is quite silly, don't you agree?  Space limitations for one make it in possible to address all the evils of the world in a single internet post.  

The only point that you made that merits addressing is your point about US support for Israel.  Again, that is a really silly point to make.  So, you are asserting that we cannot, or should not, address the brutality of the General al-Sissy regime because another injustice exists.