What’s Behind the New Iranian Charm Offensive

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Iranian President Hasan Rouhani speaks at his first press conference since taking office, at the presidency compound in Tehran, on Aug. 6, 2013.

Usually, it’s hard to tell quite what’s going on with Iran. Usually, the government is divided and its signals to a foreigner mixed, or at least wreathed in what’s been dubbed in the past as “Oriental indirection.” Translated — and anything coming out of Tehran must be translated — Oriental indirection means “listen to what I didn’t say” and “watch my eyes dance as I don’t say it.” It’s a bit like “you get my drift,” except the drift is never evident from a single conversation. The Iranians are more pointillist: It takes a half dozen interviews to begin to fill in a picture, and even then, you never seem to find yourself looking at A Sunday Afternoon on the Island of La Grande Jatte. More like: Hmmm. Could be a cat.

Which is what makes the last week so extraordinary. The Iranians are not merely signaling that they want to talk to Washington about their nuclear program. Given Persian traditions of subtlety, they are standing on their desks, firing Roman candles toward the light fixtures and hollering. Attention must be paid.

President Hassan Rouhani’s op-ed in Thursday’s Washington Post, “Why Iran Seeks Constructive Engagement,” is the least of it.  The new president has been Tweeting like a pundit, too – 26 times in the last 16 hours (at this writing) on his “sole English account.” (Rouhani has 45,000 followers but follows only four Twitter accounts: Three are fellow moderates in the Iranian political firmament. The fourth is Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Iran’s Supreme Leader, his boss.)

Political prisoners are being released. Interviews granted to American television. Shoes shined for the big UN General Assembly confab next week. It’s a charm offensive not seen out of the Islamic Republic since then-President Mohammad Khatami (whose account Rouhani follows) reached out to the West with call for a Dialogue Between Civilizations a decade and a half ago. The difference was Khatami did not have the Supreme Leader at his side, and Rouhani clearly appears to. Even before Rouhani’s surprise election in June, Khamenei was signaling that, despite the depth of his own mistrust of the United States, the time was ripe to try to negotiate a way out of the pickle Iran is in over nukes.

The country’s oil exports have been at least halved by the sanctions President Obama fashioned to coerce the mullahs toward greater transparency. And “the system,” as insiders call Iran’s theocracy, relies on a robust flow of dollars to encourage the allegiance of its sycophants (and the tolerance of a generally poor general population). On Tuesday, Khamenei called for “heroic flexibility” in foreign affairs, as clear a signal as Rouhani’s election — Khamenei essentially approves the field of candidates – that the way forward is through engagement with the West, the same West whose mores and history the Leader claims Iran stands in contrast to. The Ahmedinejad Era is over. 

But why be so obvious about it? Close students of Tehran recognize that the most encouraging development in months was the behind-the-scenes role Iran evidently played in the deal to bring Syria’s chemical and biological arsenal under international control, to which Obama alluded. The stars were aligned for that cooperation, what with Iran’s wrenching history with chemical weapons and weariness with Assad.

In terms of public diplomacy, it’s just possible the mullahs don’t realize they’re talking as loudly as they are — simply because they’ve never before been saying the same things, together, at the same time. Khatami’s elected reformists was constantly at war with the appointed mullahs who held the top positions in Iran’s sprawling system of governance, which was the main thing Khatami aimed to reform. Rouhani’s primary aim is transforming Iran’s image with the outside world, a goal that’s easy to rally behind, especially with the rial at a fraction of its value and the government paying its contractors a dime or two on the dollar.

Another, more likely explanation: Iran is letting the world know just how very eager it is to talk because it knows perceptions matter a great deal just now. About ten years ago, Iran quietly made common cause with the West against the Taliban, and for its trouble was tagged by President George W. Bush as one third of the Axis of Evil. It’s not being quiet this time. The more reasonable Tehran seems, the harder it will become for Obama to hold together the impressive but unwieldy coalition that’s enforcing the sanctions. “Be fair,” Rouhani will be able to say. Aren’t we all reasonable people here?

71 comments
AmyPrivacy
AmyPrivacy

The principle of Al-Taqiyya is the Islamic justification for lying and deceiving. Al-Taqiyya is drawn explicitly from the words of Muhammad, and from the examples he and his successors set. Al-Taqiyya and dissimulation refer to the practice of Muslims blatantly lying to non-Muslims, but the principle goes beyond mere lying and propaganda. The theological principle of Taqiyya means hiding one's true beliefs and intentions to confuse ones adversaries and enable mujahedeen to operate freely amongst enemies. Situations or purposes for which Islamic scholars collectively judge it to be permissible to lie include the following: to reconcile arguments, to settle family disputes, to settle arguments specifically with wives or women, to safeguard one's "innocent" life, to protect the lives of other Muslims, to defend one's honor, to succeed in jihad or combat, and to spread the practice of Islam.

jesse.eek89
jesse.eek89

"The difference was Khatami did not have the Supreme Leader at his side, and Rouhani clearly appears to." That's because he's behind his goal of building a nuclear weapon and wreaking havoc in the middle east [and beyond what we can conceive yet].

mrbomb13
mrbomb13

Any notion that Rouhani wants to play 'nice-nice' with the U.S. and the West is a joke.

Iran still limits the freedoms of its people, and still engages in double-speak (i.e. Oriental indirection) with foreign nations.

He and Iran are not to be trusted at all.

Sibir_Russia
Sibir_Russia

All countries are united in their opinion that Iran has the right to peaceful atom.

Sibir_Russia
Sibir_Russia

Hassan Rouhani, Iranian President, published an article in Washington Post where he talked about challenges Iran is currently facing and the possible solutions for Syria conflict. The President also talked about constructive engagement as the new model of the international relations.

Rouhani opened his article talking about the changing world, saying that “international politics is no longer a zero-sum game but a multi-dimensional arena where cooperation and competition often occur simultaneously.”

He also stated that complexities of the issues at hand should all be considered to come to the best solution. Rouhani urges his counterparts to turn to the policy of constructive engagement: “In a world where global politics is no longer a zero-sum game, it is — or should be — counterintuitive to pursue one’s interests without considering the interests of others… It means engaging with one’s counterparts, on the basis of equal footing and mutual respect, to address shared concerns and achieve shared objectives… A zero-sum, Cold War mentality leads to everyone’s loss.”

Following this line of thought, Rouhani urged world leaders to “join hands to constructively work toward national dialogue, whether in Syria or Bahrain”.

He added that an atmosphere where peoples of the region can decide their own fates should be created. As a major part of this plan, he offered help in facilitating dialogue between the Syrian government and the opposition.

The Iranian President also stressed the necessity to address a wider scope of “injustices and rivalries that fuel violence and tensions”. He expressed his belief the first step towards constructive interaction would be establishing healthy relations with neighbors and other nations, thus securing win-win solutions.

Moreover, Rouhani emphasized the fact that it was a common practice among countries to focus on what they don’t want instead of what they do want, which is “an easy way out of difficult conundrums for many world leaders. Expressing what one does want requires more courage.”

In this respect, Rouhani asserted that after 10 years of back-and-forth, what all sides don’t want in relation to our nuclear file is clear. "The same dynamic is evident in the rival approaches to Syria," the President claimed. This approach, according to Rouhani, “can be useful for efforts to prevent cold conflicts from turning hot.”

“But to move beyond impasses,” he continued, “we need to aim higher. Rather than focusing on how to prevent things from getting worse, we need to think — and talk — about how to make things better. To do that, we all need to muster the courage to start conveying what we want — clearly, concisely and sincerely — and to back it up with the political will to take necessary action. This is the essence of my approach to constructive interaction.”

In conclusion, Rouhani urged his counterparts to respond genuinely to Iran’s efforts to engage in constructive dialogue.

“Most of all,” Rouhani said, “I urge them to look beyond the pines and be brave enough to tell me what they see — if not for their national interests, then for the sake of their legacies, and our children and future generations.”
http://voiceofrussia.com/2013_09_20/A-zero-sum-Cold-War-mentality-leads-to-everyone-s-loss-Hassan-Rouhani-3098/

RamonRoman
RamonRoman

Speaking about sycophants, mr Karl Vick...Let's see, mr Karl Vick, what would happen to your post in the Time if suddenly you start taking the side of the Palestinian and its territories?  The right of the Palestinian to for a state of their own and supporting, as the international law and the UN do,

MJKNM
MJKNM

Another incredibly light weight analysis by Vick, who, as usual, misses the actual narrative. Yes, Iran is hurting but they are also very, very close to their objective of nuclear weapons capability. Whether they actually build a bomb or leave it at a point where they can put one together in a few days is immaterial. They show absolutely no indication of being willing to be dissuaded from that objective and now are putting together an end game "let's all be reasonable act" where they can run out the clock while dangling some superficial concessions. Now is exactly the time to strengthen sanctions, not dilute them, and to make it clear that under no circumstances will they be permitted to have nuclear weapons capability.

WasntMee
WasntMee

@Sibir_Russia I recall Mr. Reagan responding with "Trust, but verify". Russia was so much worse than Iran. Far worse. But we were able to work it out so that we no longer had to have nuclear drills. We can do the same. I have known a number of Iranians before they were chased out in 1981. Good people and good friends as well as smart. Move forward with the opportunity without the political baggage in BOTH countries as Rouhani stated.

JehudahBen-Israel
JehudahBen-Israel

@Sibir_Russia 


Clearly, the article, along with the sweet but hollow talk by the new president of the Islamist regime of Iran, is part and parcel of the charm offensive designed to tranquilize the public in western Europe and north America. 

JehudahBen-Israel
JehudahBen-Israel

@RamonRoman 


"The Palestinians" and "their territories".


Where in law are there such phenomena? Even the UN Security Council Resolution, 242, on the basis of which all peace talks between Israel and the Arabs have been conducted to date, these concepts are not mentioned. And, note, this resolution has become the basis of all talks by mutual consent and acceptance of the resolution itself. 


Isn't it time to re-examine the "narratives", i.e. fictional stories designed for political expediency, on the basis of which we perceive the world around us, and instead of constructing our opinions on "narratives" we should do so based on factual based rational approach to matters at hand?


RamonRoman
RamonRoman

... East Jerusalem as the capital of the future state of Palestine. What do you think, mr Karl Vick, with your job at the Time of Jerusalem?

RamonRoman
RamonRoman

@MJKNM Why not? North Korea have them. Israel have them. China have them. Russia have them. The only country that has used them against civilians have them. Now, tell me mr MJKMN if Iran get them, who is more capable of using them? Israel or Iran?  Just go to history and see what country has been the more aggressive since its creation?

JehudahBen-Israel
JehudahBen-Israel

@Sibir_Russia @lextender 


No, the world is not scared of centrifuges; the world is disgusted with the lies the Islamist regime in Tehran attempts to sell us, while at the same time making the preparation to develop, unlawfully, nuclear weapons that would threaten the entire region and beyond. 

Sibir_Russia
Sibir_Russia

The U.S. has repeatedly disrupted the negotiations, as soon as Iran was ready to close the nuclear issue with the IAEA. At the same time, Iran is more inclined to the proposed plan of  the Russian foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov "step by step & reciprocity approach".


Sibir_Russia
Sibir_Russia

Israel must open nuclear facilities to the IAEA and to accede to the Treaty (NPT)

Sibir_Russia
Sibir_Russia

@JehudahBen-Israel @Sibir_Russia 

Iran does not intend to build nuclear weapons. Iran's nuclear programme is exclusively peaceful in nature.

Israel should accede to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT)

«The decision of problems of chemical weapons Syria will be a major step towards the implementation of the long task of non-proliferation of WMD in the middle East», - said Sergey Lavrov following meeting with John Kerry 14 September in Geneva.

RamonRoman
RamonRoman

@JehudahBen-Israel @RamonRoman Political expedience from whom? From the very moment that there are peace talks recognized by the UN and the USA, means that the entity recognize as Palestine exists. It is not a Phenomena, recognize through the senses but a brutal reality in which your fanaticism has put the Palestinian through hell to satisfy your crimes and thievery with claims of ancestry that you only and in a racist way put forward.

  As to the Narratives, you are euphemistically calling the reality of the Palestinians as fictional, when you, all of you Zionists, are claiming these rights from a fictional truth. The whole of your truth comes from the fairy tale of your book and the god created by you for your convenience.

JehudahBen-Israel
JehudahBen-Israel

@RamonRoman 


Jerusalem, one of the most interesting city in the world, is a single municipality, made of many neighborhoods, located throughout the city. None of these neighborhoods is call or has ever been called "east Jerusalem", none. Furthermore, the city whose age is more than 3,000 years has not been divided but once in this whole history, during 19 years, after the Arab Legions conquered parts of the city in 1948 and left the place in 1967.  So, on what basis one has the moral right to suggest that the city should be divided, and the capital city of the Jewish people for the past more than 3,000 years and that of the Jewish people's nation-state of Israel for the past 65 years be abused in such way and given to people who simply demand it at gun point? 

JehudahBen-Israel
JehudahBen-Israel

@RamonRoman @MJKNM 


I realize, the poster is out to smear Israel's name, but on what hard factual basis could the poster claim that Israel has nuclear weapons when in reality it has stated, time and gain, that it would not be the country to introduce nuclear weapons to the region, it has not for more than six decades of existence, and furthermore, its has never threatened any country with total annihilation, as Iran has, of another state, and especially not through the use of nuclear weapons. So, why smear Israel, time and again. but for....?

JehudahBen-Israel
JehudahBen-Israel

@Elfilo @JehudahBen-Israel @Sibir_Russia 


"The region" is overwhelmingly populated by Muslim-Arabs who are very much concerned about Iran's meddling in their internal affairs in the most violent fashion through proxies, i.e. terror groups.


The Muslim-Arab world - mostly Sunni Muslims - are intent to stop Iran from spreading its hegemony, which is rooted in its religious ideology, over the region. And the fear among these Sunni Muslim-Arabs is that nuclear Iran will enable that Shi'a Islamist gang to do just that.


The region, therefore, is very, very apprehensive!!


Israel is a spec in the region, geographically speaking, although Iran, time and again, has called for Israel's demise, and has sent its front troops to attack this tiny liberal democracy endless times through the use of its Hizballah forces. Hence, Israel, along with the rest of the much larger region, has good reasons to be apprehensive.


Now, back to Iran, which has been the subject of the article, and the way it attempts to fool all of us around the world!!

Elfilo
Elfilo

@JehudahBen-Israel @Sibir_Russia  

Come now. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. I think Sibir is staying well within the theme. Your comments are extremely defensive and dismissive. Bringing Israel into this conversation is hardly something out of left field. You know this. You should know better than to say he is changing the subject. You're the one that brought up "the region", and we all know who the prime players are in "the region". 

And one more thing, twice, yes twice, you spoke on behalf of "the world" and "the human race". The rest of us can speak for ourselves, thank you. Your "us and them" conversational style gets nowhere fast. Good luck with the bitterness. That chip on your shoulder hopefully will not be carried over into the next generation if we want the world to be a better place. All, and I mean ALL governments lie, but as people, we need to trust eachother at some point. Someone has to make the move first. The one who does is a better person, too.

Your opinions are valid, like anyone else's, but they are your own. Own them and don't lump them on me.I refuse to be part of your "no" generation.

Peace.

JehudahBen-Israel
JehudahBen-Israel

@Sibir_Russia 


The subject of discussion here is Iran, not Israel. Attempting, again, to shift attention this Islamist country on to the Jews is an old trick that ought to stop, at least as part of a respectable discourse.

Sibir_Russia
Sibir_Russia

Your accusations against Iran are groundless.
Israel must open nuclear facilities to the IAEA and to accede to the Treaty (NPT)


JehudahBen-Israel
JehudahBen-Israel

@Sibir_Russia 

You can fool some of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time. And, we, members of the human race, have been fooled by Iran for too long; long enough to ever believe its agents that they speak the truth.


Sibir_Russia
Sibir_Russia

The Supreme leader of Iran Ayatollah Khamenei  issued an edict (fatwa), the prohibition of nuclear weapons in Iran. Religious decree (fatwa) the Supreme leader of Iran concerning the prohibition of nuclear weapons is mandatory for the Iranian government.
 
This was reported on Tuesday, January 15, the Ministry of foreign Affairs Iran Ministry spokesman Ramin Мехманпараст declared that the West must understand the significance for the whole of Iran decree of Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. «There is nothing higher than a fatwa, issued by the Supreme leader, it establishes the basis for our activities in the field of nuclear technologies», - the diplomat noted. «When the highest legal authority and power that carries out management of the entire country issues a fatwa, we all have the obligation to strictly observe it», - he added.

Sibir_Russia
Sibir_Russia

do not try to show me, what to say and what not to say.

The main reason for hysteria Israel against Iran  - this  unwillingness get rid of own nuclear arsenals, which in Israel are stored in excess.  This red herring no longer be held.
As for Iran,
Iran consistently defends national interests based on international law and is one of the poles of attraction in the multipolar world system. I don't see anything wrong with that. Read the article of the President Hasan Rouhani carefully. There is no hint of the desire to become a hegemon.

JehudahBen-Israel
JehudahBen-Israel

@Sibir_Russia @JehudahBen-Israel 


The talk here is about Iran and only Iran. Hence, why not handle Iran and ensure that it doesn't fool the world with its intentions? Why is the poster so afraid to condemn that which Islamist Iran has brought upon the region with its attempt to spread its hegemony in it and beyond? 

JehudahBen-Israel
JehudahBen-Israel

@Sibir_Russia 


But, you see, this article is NOT about Israel, so why attempt to shift attention away from the subject at hand....??

JehudahBen-Israel
JehudahBen-Israel

@Sibir_Russia @JehudahBen-Israel 


Professionals in the field, including those operating within the context of the UN and IAEA think differently, hence why should I question their conclusions, in addition to the conclusions of professional in the governments of France, US, Canada, etc. And, note, I didn't even mention the term "Israel"!


If your post is not intended to be part of the charm offensive, it certainly serves those involved in this offensive. 

JehudahBen-Israel
JehudahBen-Israel

@RamonRoman @JehudahBen-Israel 


You see, historical, archaeological, along with geographic, linguistic, as well as Biblical and post Biblical literature, both Jewish and Christian, are some of the main sources of evidence to the fact that we, Hebrews/Israelis/Jews have constituted a people whose center has been Eretz Israel (Land of Israel) some 4,000 years ago, and of all sojourns, conquerors and by passes through our homeland, we have been the only constant and continuous people present there for all of this time. This is not a "narrative", i.e. fictional stories designed for political expediency; this is a well documented and properly studied part of history of human kind. Attempting to dismiss our long history as a people says more about he who does the attempting than about us about his knowledge, but mostly about his motive to do so.....

RamonRoman
RamonRoman

@JehudahBen-Israel @mxm123@JehudahBen-Israel @mxm123 @RamonRoman I hope mr jehudahben Israel you stop lying to support your assertions that are not factual but miserable distortions of history and read this factual declaration that disprove totally what you assert with your falsification of reality. Palestine was never divided in 1926, it was only divided in your Zionist imagination, any way, just read this factual account of history, mr jehuda, the Zionist; "     The White PaperIn 1939, Great Britain reneged on the Balfour Declaration by issuing the White Paper, which stated that creating a Jewish state was no longer a British policy. It was also Great Britain's change in policy toward Palestine, especially the White Paper, that prevented millions of European Jews to escape from Nazi-occupied Europe to Palestine. The Balfour Declaration (it its entirety)

Foreign Office
November 2nd, 1917

Dear Lord Rothschild,

I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty's Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet.

"His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."

I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation.

Yours sincerely,
Arthur James Balfour.". ARE YOU SATISFIED, LIAR

@RamonRoman

RamonRoman
RamonRoman

@JehudahBen-Israel @mxm123 @RamonRoman I hope mr jehudahben Israel you stop lying to support your assertions that are not factual but miserable distortions of history and read this factual declaration that disprove totally what you assert with your falsification of reality. Palestine was never divided in 1926, it was only divided in your Zionist imagination, any way, just read this factual account of history, mr jehuda, the Zionist; "     The White PaperIn 1939, Great Britain reneged on the Balfour Declaration by issuing the White Paper, which stated that creating a Jewish state was no longer a British policy. It was also Great Britain's change in policy toward Palestine, especially the White Paper, that prevented millions of European Jews to escape from Nazi-occupied Europe to Palestine. The Balfour Declaration (it its entirety)

Foreign Office
November 2nd, 1917

Dear Lord Rothschild,

I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty's Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet.

"His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."

I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation.

Yours sincerely,
Arthur James Balfour.". ARE YOU SATISFIED, LIAR AND FALSIFIER OF REALITY.

JehudahBen-Israel
JehudahBen-Israel

@RamonRoman @JehudahBen-Israel @mxm123 


Two points:


1. While I am a proud Jew and Zion, also known as Jerusalem, has been the center of life for my people for more than 3,000 years, since our king, King David, set it up as our capital city, my personal name is rather Jehudah Ben-Israel.


2. I didn't mention the Balfour Declaration in my posts above. The declaration, as important as it was at the time, was only a policy statement by the British government, prior to even acquire Eretz Israel (Land of Israel), an event that came only in 1918. The language found in the Balfour Declaration, of course, was then used time and again, in documents that are the fundamental elements of international law as it is related to ensuring equitable accommodation between Arabs and Jews in Palestine/Eretz Israel, San Remo conference decisions, 1920; League of Nations decisions, 1922, an act that was then adopted by the UN and etched into its charter, 1945. 


RamonRoman
RamonRoman

@JehudahBen-Israel @mxm123 @RamonRoman As a Zionist you are lying. Palestine wasn't partition with the Balfour declaration. It was a promise made by the British during that time to give, GIVE, all of Palestine to the EUROPEAN ZIONISTS. This led to the creation of Zionists terrorists groups against the colonialist british for the non fulflment of this promise. One of this terrorist recognized as such by the british was the stern gang, two of the leaders of this terrorist group became prime minister of your country already as a state of Israel. You are a bloody liar to justify your criminal behaviour.

RamonRoman
RamonRoman

@JehudahBen-Israel @RamonRoman mr Zionist, Why don't you convince the UN that your claim is a valid one. The whole world through the UN, with the exception of Israel, of course, because even the USA don't recognize East Jerusalem as part of the jewish state, reject the claim of the Zionist Agenda. The limits of the partition were well defined and you should recognize it. but if you do then you are betraying the Zionist Agenda since its creation. Now, name only one country, excepting yours, that recognize the thora as a historical base for the claiming that you are forcing from the Palestinian and the world.to accept. Mytihical stories are not fundaments of a real claim. Your history through the book that you point as a standard of reality is a fairy tale that only people with an agenda believe.

  Now and finally, mr Zionist, can you tell me honestly what was the percentage of jewish and the land they possessed at the time of the partition?  

JehudahBen-Israel
JehudahBen-Israel

@mxm123 @JehudahBen-Israel @RamonRoman 


"Palestinians", a term refers to the residents of the European coined territory by the name of "Palestine". Those residents have consisted of Jews, Arabs, Circassians, Armenians, even Roma (Gypsies), etc.  So, to which "Palestinians" does the poster refer?


Incidentally, "Palestine", legally, was partitioned as early as 1921/22 when 77% of the territory was handed over to the Arabs of Palestine. Located between the Jordan River and the Arabian desert, the Arabs, subsequently renamed their part of the territory Jordan. 


The rest, only 23% of Palestine, was legally assigned to be the national home of the Jewish people. Located between the Jordan River and the Med. Sea, the Jews, subsequently reverted to the name of the country from time immemorial and called it Israel.


This legal act by the League of Nations, 1922, was then adopted by the UN and etched into its Charter, 1945. To the best of my knowledge, the UN Charter has not been amended, hence the partition of Palestine of 1921/22 was implemented legally in 1946/48 when Jordan on one side of the river, and Israel, on the other side, were proclaimed independent states. 


And, when that was done, the "Palestinians" ceased to exist as such. Indeed, the term is not found in law - international law, that is - at all. 

mxm123
mxm123

@JehudahBen-Israel @RamonRoman , you conveniently ignore the fact that Palestinians have the same, if not more , claim to Jerusalem. Quit pretending that Israelis are under gun point, while the exact opposite is true.

JehudahBen-Israel
JehudahBen-Israel

@RamonRoman @JehudahBen-Israel @mxm123 @MJKNM 


The Arabs of Eretz Israel/Palestine are not a concept, of course; they are humans with full human, civil and religious rights.


"Palestinians" not "the Palestinians", is indeed a concept, not found in law or reality, so, why attempt to manufacture it if not as part of the drive to demonize the Jewish people and its nation-state of Israel; to demonize it and to seek its very demise and the "cleansing" of the Jewish people's ancestral homeland of its Jews?


I suggest the poster cease being irrational obsessive negative about us, Jews, and apply a bit of factual based rational analysis to the questions at hand. 

RamonRoman
RamonRoman

@JehudahBen-Israel @mxm123 @RamonRoman @MJKNM Jehuda the Zionist, you are despicable. That is why you behave so bestially against the Palestinian, because for you and your chosen people by your god, the Palestinian are only a CONCEPT.

TAKE A LOOK AMERICAN READERS AT THE PHILOSOPHY OF THIS ZIONIST, HUMAN BEINGS WHEN THEY HAVE TO BE ELIMINATED, YOU DON;T TREAT THEM AS SUCH, ONLY AS CONCEPTS. THIS PEOPLE, THE PALESTINIANS, DO NOT EXIST, THEY ARE ONLY THE ATRIBUTES OF A PHILOSOPHICAL MIND, NAMELY, THEY CAN BE CHANGED OR ELIMINATED WITH THE TURN OF AN IDEA. THIS IS THE REALITY OF THE ZIONIST THAT COULD BE APPLIED TO ANY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, EVEN THE USA, IF IT IS CONVENIENT TO THE ZIONIST TO FULFIL ITS AGENDA.

RamonRoman
RamonRoman

@JehudahBen-Israel @RamonRoman @MJKNM Don't make me laugh, mr Zionist. If the whole claim that your country possess a stockpile of nuclear bombs is a falsehood, explain to me why you still have the Arab Israeli kidnapped from England and sent to prison for a number of years for telling the world the truth of the nuclear arsenal that Israel possess, still  unable to leave Israel? Be truthful and don't keep lying to the world.