Allah Means God, Unless You’re a Christian in Malaysia

Court decides only Muslims can use the term "Allah" in what critics say is an attempt to appease right-wing extremist supporters of embattled Prime Minister Najib Razak

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Malaysian Muslim demonstrators pray outside the Court of Appeal in Putrajaya, outside Kuala Lumpur, on Oct. 14, 2013

Allah can no longer be used by a Christian newspaper in Malaysia to refer to God after a landmark court ruling on Monday, reversing a decision made four years previously that maintained the term transcended different faiths.

“It is my judgment that the most possible and probable threat to Islam, in the context of this country, is the propagation of other religions to the followers of Islam,” said chief judge Mohamed Apandi Ali, announcing the change.

The panel of three judges was unanimous in their decision that the use of Allah by the Roman Catholic Herald newspaper constituted a threat to the sanctity of Islam, as defined in the federal constitution. The Herald editor the Rev. Lawrence Andrew said he was “disappointed and dismayed,” vowing to appeal.

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The issue is contentious. The previous 2009 ruling was followed by a spate of attacks on churches, and critics fear the issue is once again being used to stoke religious tensions in the Muslim-majority Southeast Asian nation. “Narrow-minded and prejudiced people are creating an atmosphere of hatred,” Mujahid Yusof Rawa, an MP for Malaysia’s opposition Pan-Malaysian Islamic Party, tells TIME.

According to the Rev. Eu Hong Seng, chairman of the Christian Federation of Malaysia, “The Bahasa Malaysia–speaking Christians have been using the word Allah before and after the independence of Malaya and the formation of Malaysia.”

Plenty of academic evidence suggests that Allah has also been used by Christians and Jews in Arabia for generations. “And what about the 10 [million] to 12 million Arab Christians today? They have been calling God ‘Allah’ in their Bibles, hymns, poems, writings, and worship for over 19 centuries,” says Fouad Accad in his book Building Bridges: Christianity and Islam, which examines commonality between the different faiths.

Allah was common parlance even before the birth of Islam in the sixth century. “Arabs used the word ‘Allah’ for the supreme being before the time of Muhammad,” writes Kenneth J. Thomas, a United Bible Societies translation consultant based in New York. “Inscriptions with ‘Allah’ have been discovered in Northern and Southern Arabia from as early as the fifth century B.C.”

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With Christians in the neighboring Indonesia still allowed to use the term, many ponder what is behind the Malaysian U-turn. Mujahid believes this latest ruling is part of a “dynamic” of Malay right-wing appeasement after Prime Minister Najib Razak was returned to power with a slim majority.

“Malaysia is not prepared yet for such mature interfaith relationships, since the word Allah is still seen as very sensitive to Muslims,” he laments. “But I don’t think Muslims are that weak that they are going to convert to Christianity by hearing the word Allah said by a Christian.”

Ethnicity has been a key facet of Malaysian politics since colonial times, and increasingly so after 1971, when affirmative action for the bumiputra, or “sons of the soil” as the Malay and smaller indigenous minorities call themselves, was introduced in the wake of bloody race riots.

Ethnic Malays make up around two-thirds of Malaysia’s 28 million people. Chinese and Indians control much of the wealth and make up around 22% and 7% of the population respectively. About 9% of Malaysians are Christian.

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111 comments
ReverendJamesG.Borden
ReverendJamesG.Borden

YAHWEH LINCOLN PARK MINISTRY, HILO, HAWAII

ALLAH IS ANOTHER NAME FOR SATAN, SO WHEN ISLAM MOSLEMS ARE PRAYING TO ALLAH THEY ARE PRAYING TO SATAN.

ISLAM IS SATAN'S CULT AND THE MOST EVIL, DEADLY AND SEXUALLY PERVERTED IDEOLOGY EVER CREATED BY SATAN TO BE INFLICTED UPON HUMANITY.

WHEN JESUS CHRIST COMES BACK HE WILL DESTROY ISLAM AND ALL THE MOSLEM NATIONS!

MatthewEdmund
MatthewEdmund

Allah is the Muslim god's proper name. Just like Jehovah/Yahweh (depending on how you pronounce it) is the proper name of the Judeo-Christian God.


The proper Arabic term for generic God is "Ackbar." Allah IS NOT Jehovah.

RocknRoad
RocknRoad

Allah and God are two completely different beings who have nothing in common with each other.  If one researches Islam, they will find that Mohammed chose the local Moon god to worship and that is why Islam has the crescent moon as their symbol.  At the time of Mohammed, the people in Saudi Arabia worshiped many gods and had bits and pieces of Jesus' story and of the Jewish scriptures.  

It is actually very appropriate that the Christians in Malaysia not refer to God as Allah because they would be calling God by a demon's name.  


People might think that Allah is synonymous with God but it totally is not and if one studies the Jewish faith, the Christian faith and the Islam faith, they will certainly find out that the god of Islam has zero to do with the God of Judeo-Christianity.  One also sees it in how Muslims treat women and how little grace is in that religion versus the much higher respect for women in general from the influence of Judeo-Christianity.  

tryingnottoofend
tryingnottoofend

hmm...the problem is the translation of bible to malay language. instead of translating the word god to 'tuhan'(god in malay) they translated into Allah.. why? if it was translated to arabic or any language that uses Allah=god no problem. Who is provoking who? if there was a religion that worship the devil, and chose to call him jesus just because the Christians are calling the son of god jesus.. is that okey?

HezkielFeroz
HezkielFeroz

Allah is merely an arabic word for God  in English. Read carefully. Isaiah even call YHWH, baal, do you know. Of course in context, "baal" just mean lord in Hebrew but in Elijah context, baal is a name of a pagan God. Allah in Christian Arab is just an Arab word denote God but in muslim context, Allah is a personal name of an Islamic God (not all muslim theologian agree).



SonnyFellers
SonnyFellers

If Allah is merely arabic for God then why not say God when typing in english? If Baal only means Lord then why was Elijah so upset? These are not translations.. these are the "other gods" we've been warned of since the beginning.

anonymousbeast
anonymousbeast

this is what happened if politics being mixed with religions..

bloodymary
bloodymary

then try using the word allah in your baptism...you cant can you? you still have to use in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.  these are all an agenda of contextualization. 

and @PenanUlat, you are just one big bigot. you dont really care about these issues, from your comment, you are just a hater of islam, and a racist. you hate peninsular malaysia that you called us malaya. deep inside, you are just filled with hate but the truth is,  you have insecurity/self loathing issues....

Nurisman
Nurisman

This issue picks up in momentum when Malaysian Christians Newsletter is seen as using the world Allah not just as Malay translation for God but it also brings with it deeper long term implication that will only serves as confusion in a multiracial country like Malaysia. The fear of Muslim community is that the Muslim and Christian alike implicitly think that Allah is their common God but really it's not. The Arab Christians use the world Allah simply because in Arabic it means God. They will not say Jesus since that name does not exist in their language historically. But for the Muslim all over the world by strict interpretation Allah as taught and defined by Muhammad P.b.u.h is not simply a one to one translation to God but it's one of the Highest name among His other most highest names such as Ar-Rahman and Ar-Rahim etc and all together there are 99 names revealed to us. These names have its own unique meaning and most muslims use that name and add Abdul + Rahman etc to name thier child. Abdul means servant of. As such Abdul Rahim for example means servant of Rahim i.e. servant of God. Except the world Allah this name can't be used totally to name people as it stands as one of the highest name of God. By definition Allah is viewed by Muslim as singular supreme entity while the Christians interpretation of God is based on Trinity concept. This is the root cause of the issue and the other one is a fear of using that Allah world to confuse young Muslim that Christian is similar to Islam since they serve the same God. Ironically in the Nertherland the Christian community is against their Bishop idea of using the name Allah to describe God. Why is this Bishop recommending this to his Christians fellowship? This Bishop had experience serving in Indonesia and in Indonesia apart from other loosely defined things Allah and Jesus is also interchangeable. Those who had experience living in Indonesia will immediately acknowledge this. On the other hand a muslim spokeperson supported this Bishop on the basis that it will help the interfaith understanding. This spokeperson obviously is not living in Malaysia and to him Christian using world Allah is a way of spreading understanding and acceptance of Islam there. So that when Muslim speaks of Allah their Christian colleagues will fully understand what it is. In Malaysia it's different, Allah is wellknown as God in Muslim community but when Malaysian Christian speaks of Allah as their God it dishonours the Muslim since Christian God is obviously not the singular supreme that exist independently and does not have children or parents that the Muslim worship but a trinity supreme entity, that has son, has a father etc. The Imam in Mecca is not condemning the Arab Christian for using the world Allah simply because he knows the used it because it's their mother tongue expression of God. But the Imam also knows in Islam Allah has specific definition attached to it. Strangely enough, why do these high ranking Christian Bishop is driven so hard to use that Allah word when it's not an integral requirement in Christianity? 

PenanUlat
PenanUlat

This is the work of some angry, fanatic, extremist and unstable Malay Muslim who want to be popular with in the Malay communities and want to be a hero and champion of their religion at the expense of the nation unity. Is it worth it to instigate other people and destabilize the nation for the sack of their own agenda? The highest office of the Prime Minister has approved the Christian to use the word 'ALLAH'  in their Bible and why these are still bringing this mater up again and again. These are the very desperate people who want to make their inroad political agenda into the Malaysian political system. We hope their bad intention agenda fail completely. We hope the government of the day restore the peace that all Malaysian have share with each other as a free nation as before.  

K_C__
K_C__

Nearly every Malaysian knows that the word ‘Allah’ denotes the Muslim God in the Malaysian context, and that is what matters.

Knowing fully well that the rightful Malay word for ‘God’ is ‘Tuhan’, the Catholic newspaper Herald inexplicably insists on using the Arabic word ‘Allah’ in their Malay language articles and bible.


This leads to the suspicion that the Catholics are the ones attempting to politicize the issue, intellectualize the word, and proselytize the naive.

bryanbz
bryanbz

To enable a clearer picture of this Malaysian controversy , it is actually a political tactic to gain support and a language issue..The marjority of Malaysians are Malays and by default muslims.. The court ruling is as political as they come, all 3 judges are Muslims.

The english speaking christians do not use the word Allah preferring the conventional references:  heavenly father , Lord , Father God , Jesus etc. . 

But the non english speaking christians , in Malaysia they are Indonesians , Myanmarese , Nepalis , some Pakistanis and East Malaysians who use Allah in reference to God in the Malay language. Esp the east malaysians and Indonesian christians who have been using the term for more than a hundred years without incident.

The absurdity is that, according to the Ruling party , there is a concern the marjority  malaysian  malay  speaking  muslims will be confused by and risk being converted into Christianity ,accusing Christians of a proselytizing conspiracy because they are adamant and will not back down from using of the common reference (not  exxagerating , statements have been made by them to that effect)  and  make apostates out of the malay/muslims.. 

SO they are demanding that they or their Malay language own the word "Allah"  in Malaysia ,and Christians cannot use it to refer to God.. Only for Muslims in Malaysia..

shandclub
shandclub

Look how foolish this is. Christians can not say Allah anymore when they were saying Allah in the presence of the Prophet Muhammed (s). These hypocrites make ruling for political gain called fools power. Did Allah say do that?. This is why Hell is for the hypocrites. 

PenanUlat
PenanUlat

For christian in the state of Sarawak and Sabah, the only way to solve this problem which has been boiling for the last few years by the Malays in Semananjung Malaya is for us to get out of Malaysia and be independent to perform our religion worship and to rule our own country as a nation before we were force to form Malaysia before. What do Sarawakian and Sabahan have to say? The Malaysian government have given in to a few individual who has instigated others to ban others to use the word ' ALLAH". Is this fair to other religion? What happen to the Malaysian constitution which is not worth anything now. If we do not respect our own constitution, then our country is going no where. No body will respect the law.    

OdiRex
OdiRex

I have heard theological, historical and etymological arguments.
But the 2 most important issues is often overlooked.

1. No one has a right to dictate how others worship.
2. The banning of words interferes with freedom of expression and speech.

Freedom of speech and freedom of religion/worship is enshrined in the Malaysia constitution. 

milfordyg
milfordyg

somehow there is something wrong with this article, the court ONLY prohibit Herald the newspaper from using "Allah", but it doesn't stop the Sabah, Sarawak's bumiputra from using it in their bible. it is not a widespread issue here YET.

GeorgeCherlyn
GeorgeCherlyn

If you don't know the origin of Malay language, then please don't make shallow statements!

This is not a matter of doctrine, but rather a matter of language. Malay language itself is a language made up of borrowed words from various origins - Arabic, Tamil, Hindi and Sanskrit.

The word "Lord" is translated in Malay as "Tuhan". Lord in Bible refers to Jesus - "The Son of God".

The word "God" is translated in Malay as "Allah". God in Bible refers to God - "The Father" or "The Creator".

The word "Allah" in Malay language is a vocabulary borrowed from Arabic.

The Malay bible (Al-Kitab) was written with these terms. If the word "Allah" were to be replaced with "Tuhan", then wherever the word "Lord God" appears in bible, it will now be translated in Malay as "Tuhan Tuhan" which means "Lord Lord".

Malay speaking Christians in Malaysia had been using these terms for centuries and now you're saying to them that they can't call their God as "God" but rather call their God as "Lord". Does this make sense to you now?

From Google Translate: https://translate.google.com/?sl=af&tl=ms&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&text=God&file=#en/ms/Lord%20God

Musafir26
Musafir26

Hinduism in Islam

An article by a Muslim named as Nadeem Khan,

Be open minded and read on.

An inscription and a Greek account fix Muhammad's birth in 552, not 570.Muhammad's career took place not in Mecca but hundreds of kilometers to the north (Yehuda Nevo co-authored a work) The classical Arabic language was developed not in today's Saudi Arabia but in the

( Levant. Area)

Long before Islam came in to existence, Kaaba , in Mecca in Saudi Arabia was a pilgrimage site.

The word Kaaba came from the Tamil Language which originated around 1700BC.In Tamil Nadu Kabaalishwaran temple is Lord Shiva's temple and Kabaali refers to Lord Shiva. The black stone at Kaaba is held sacred and holy in Islam and is called "Hajre Aswad" from the Sanskrit word Sanghey Ashweta or Non-white stone.(the Shiva Lingam) So what is in Kaaba could be the same what Hindus worship.????

The pedestal Maqam-E-Ibrahim at the centre of the Kaaba is octagonal in shape.In Hinduism, the pedestal of Brahma the creator is also octagonal in shape. Muslim pilgrims visiting the Kaaba temple go around it seven times. but In no other mosque does the circumambulation prevail.

In Shiva temples Hindus always practice circumambulation or Pradakshina.Just as in Hinduism, the custom of circumambulation by muslim pilgrims around the entire Kaaba building seven times,,, is yet another proof that the Kaaba shrine is pre-Islamic and also the claim that in Islam they don't worship stones is not true .

The origin of Allah

In Sanskrit language Allah, Akka and Amba are synonyms.They signify a goddess or mother. The term `ALLAH' forms part of Sanskrit chants invoking goddess Durga, also known as Bhavani, Chandiand Mahishasurmardini. The Islamic word for God is., therefore, not an innovation but the ancient Sanskrit appellation retained and continued by Islam. Allah means mother or goddess and mother goddess.

Moon Worship

Moon worship has been practiced in Arabia since 2000 BC. The crescent moon is the most common symbol of this pagan moon worship as far back as 2000 BC.

In Mecca, there was a god named Hubal who was Lord of the Kabah. This Hubal was a moon god. The idol of moon god Hubal was placed upon the roof of the Kaba about 400 years before Muhammad, even exsist... The crescent moon is always painted across the forehead of the Siva symbol. Since that symbol was associated with the Siva emblem in Kaaba it came to be grafted on the flag of Islam. This is the origin of why the crescent moon is on top of every minaret at the Kaaba today and the central symbol of Islam atop of every mosque throughout the world

The moon god was also referred to as "al-ilah". This is not a proper name of a single specific god, but a generic reference meaning "the god". Each local pagan Arab tribe would refer to their own local tribal pagan god as "al-ilah".

"al-ilah" was later shortened to Allah for God long before Muhammad began promoting his new religion in 610 AD.

Although Islam is today a monotheist religion, its roots are in paganism.There are remnants of pagan moon god worship in the Koran where we have examples of Muslims swearing by the moon. Here is one example: "I swear by the moon, And the night when it departs, And the daybreak when it shines; Surely it (hell) is one of the gravest (misfortunes)" (Koran 74:32)

Muhammad retained almost all the pagan rituals of the Arabs at the Kaba and redefined them in monotheistic terms……. Regardless of the specifics of the facts, it is clear that Islam is derived from paganism that once worshiped a moon-god.

http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-moon-god

So, Islam's origins come from Muhammad adapting polytheism to monotheism, and calling God's name Allah after the name of the moon god, whose cresent moon is a draw back to Islam's pagan linkage.

Islam is a mixture of this paganism, Christianity, and Judaism. And the Quran is a hodgepodge invented out of these adaptations.

(Ref: page 315 of a volume known as `Sayar-ul-Okul' treasured in the

Makhtab-e- Sultania library in Istanbul, Turkey).

The Hindu influence

The Indian King Vikramaditya inscription was found on a gold dish hung inside the Kaaba shrine in Mecca, proving beyond doubt that the Arabian Peninsula formed a part of his Indian Empire

Long before Muhammad King Vikrama's preachers had succeeded in spreading the Vedic Hindu sacred scriptures in Arabia and Arabs were once followers of the Indian Vedic way of life. The annual fair known as OKAJ which used to be held every year around the Kaaba temple in Mecca and ,,,,the present annual hajj of the Muslims to the Kaaba is of earlier pre-Islamic congregation.

Even to this day ancient Siva emblems can be seen. It is the Shankara(Siva) stone that Muslim pilgrims reverently touch and kiss in the Kaaba. Muslims shave their head and beard and don special sacred attire that consists of two seamless sheets of white cloth. One is to be worn round the waist and the other over the shoulders. Both these rites are remnants of the old Vedic practice of entering Hindu temples clean and with holy seamless white sheets.

The Hindu Vedic letter in Sanskrit "OM" if seen in a mirror one can see the Arabic numbers 786 and this is the most sacred number for Muslims and copies of the Arabic Koran have the mysterious figure 786 imprinted on them. In their ignorance simply they do not realize that this special number is nothing more than the holiest of Vedic symbols misread and ,,,,,,, To date none of the Arabic scholar has been able to determine how they chose786 as the sacred for them.

Another Hindu tradition associated with the Kaaba is that of the sacred stream Ganga (sacred waters of the Ganges river). According to the Hindu tradition Ganga is also inseparable from the Shiva emblem as the crescent moon. Wherever there is a Siva emblem, Ganga must co-exist.True to that association a sacred fount exists near the Kaaba. Its water is held sacred because it has been traditionally regarded as Ganga since pre-Islamic times (Zam-Zam water).

Karl
Karl

Is anyone else sick to death with Islamic fervency. Their constant murderous whining from one end of the globe to the other. (And no I'm not Jewish or pro-Zionist, That was the biggest mistake Britain ever made besides starving the Irish during the potato famine.) They are a pack of religious fanatics, pretty much the way we Christians were in 1600. But that don't make it right. They should not be allowed into Western or non-Muslim countries, because they just don't want to fit in, they want whine, bomb, grow beards, wear sheets from to toe or pajamas, and generally spread mayhem. From shooting French soldiers in France to hacking to death a British soldier in England, to gunning down a dozen American soldiers in the USA. As soon as they immigrate to a western country instead of feeling gratitude they feel rage and they or their sons start up with it. If they don't change the laws to exclude them there will be Hell to pay when enough of them pile up in our cities.

carolezm
carolezm

Malta (Europe) is a predominantly christian country where God is called "Alla" in Maltese

ReverendJamesG.Borden
ReverendJamesG.Borden

@RocknRoad

i AGREE WITH YOU.

ALLAH IS OF SATAN.

THE JEWISH GOD AND THE CHRISTIAN GOD IS THE SAME ALMIGHTY GOD.
JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD!
I CALL THE ALMIGHTY GOD BY THE NAME OF YAHWEH.
I USE THE NAME YAHUSHUA SOMETIMES WHEN REFERRING TO JESUS CHRIST.


MatthewEdmund
MatthewEdmund

@HezkielFeroz I don't know where you're getting your information, but it's incorrect.


Baal is only used in the Bible when referring to the proper names of the "supreme male divinity of the Phoenicians or Canaanites" (Strong's H1168) It does not mean "lord" in Ancient Hebrew.


"Akbar" is the generic Arabic word for "god." Allah is the proper name of the Muslim god.


Allah is the proper name of the Muslim God. It's not generic.


The Judeo-Christian God's name is Yahweh/Jehovah/Yehovah/YHWH (it depends on how you decide to translate it... YHWH is the proper transliteration as the Hebrew name of God has had its vowels removes as they believed God's name should never be spoken... so we kind of have to guess.)


Yahweh is NEVER referred to as "Baal" anywhere in the Judeo-Christian Bible. Baal is only used in the following contexts: http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H1168&t=KJV


When speaking of Yahweh and not using God's proper name, they used the term "Adonai" (often translated as LORD in all caps). Adonai was only used when speaking of "Lord Jehovah" and would not be used to refer to any other deity or person.


I suppose I can't attest to what Arabic Christians call Yahweh, but I would be surprised they would use the proper name of a Muslim God to refer to a distinctly different being.

LindaLeeSheets
LindaLeeSheets

@HezkielFeroz  Baal in the Bible was NOT God. 

1Ki 18:21 ¶And Elijah came to all the people, and said, "How long will you falter between two opinions? If the LORD is God, follow Him; but if Baal, follow him."


Baal, like Allah does not respond or speak, he is unknowable.

He is Allah. 1Ki 18:24 "Then you call on the name of your gods, and I will call on the name of the LORD; and the God who answers by fire, He is God." So all the people answered and said, "It is well spoken."

25 Now Elijah said to the prophets of Baal, "Choose one bull for yourselves and prepare it first, for you are many; and call on the name of your god, but put no fire under it."

 26 So they took the bull which was given them, and they prepared it, and called on the name of Baal from morning even till noon, saying, "O Baal, hear us!" But there was  no voice; no one answered. Then they leaped about the altar which they had made.

 27 And so it was, at noon, that Elijah mocked them and said, "Cry aloud, for he is a god; either he is meditating, or he is busy, or he is on a journey, or perhaps he is sleeping and must be awakened."

 28 So they cried aloud, and cut themselves, as was their custom, with knives and lances, until the blood gushed out on them.

 29 And when midday was past, they prophesied until the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice. But there was no voice; no one answered, no one paid attention.

 30 Then Elijah said to all the people, "Come near to me." So all the people came near to him. And he repaired the altar of the LORD that was broken down.

 31 And Elijah took twelve stones, according to the number of the tribes of the sons of Jacob, to whom the word of the LORD had come, saying, "Israel shall be your name."

 32 Then with the stones he built an altar in the name of the LORD; and he made a trench around the altar large enough to hold two seahs of seed.

 33 And he put the wood in order, cut the bull in pieces, and laid it on the wood, and said, "Fill four waterpots with water, and pour it on the burnt sacrifice and on the wood."

 34 Then he said, "Do it a second time," and they did it a second time; and he said, "Do it a third time," and they did it a third time.

 35 So the water ran all around the altar; and he also filled the trench with water.

 36 And it came to pass, at the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, that Elijah the prophet came near and said, "LORD God of Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, let it be known this day that You are God in Israel and I am Your servant, and that I have done all these things at Your word.

 37 "Hear me, O LORD, hear me, that this people may know that You are the LORD God, and that You have turned their hearts back to You again."

 38 Then the fire of the LORD fell and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood and the stones and the dust, and it licked up the water that was in the trench.

 39 Now when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces; and they said, "The LORD, He is God! The LORD, He is God!"

MatthewEdmund
MatthewEdmund

@SonnyFellers "Akbar" is the generic Arabic word for "god." Allah is the proper name of the Muslim god.


Allah is the proper name of the Muslim God. It's not generic.


The Judeo-Christian God's name is Yahweh/Jehovah/Yehovah/YHWH (it depends on how you decide to translate it... YHWH is the proper transliteration as the Hebrew name of God has had its vowels removes as they believed God's name should never be spoken... so we kind of have to guess.)


Yahweh is NEVER referred to as "Baal" anywhere in the Judeo-Christian Bible. Baal is only used in the following contexts: http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H1168&t=KJV


When speaking of Yahweh and not using God's proper name, they used the term "Adonai" (often translated as LORD in all caps). Adonai was only used when speaking of "Lord Jehovah" and would not be used to refer to any other deity or person.

HezkielFeroz
HezkielFeroz

You think native malay Christian speak English in their worship???? the speak Malay languague and in malay we say, 'dalam nama Allah Bapa, Anak dan Roh Kudus."

HezkielFeroz
HezkielFeroz

@bloodymary , don't comment if you don't understand. In Malay we say, 'baptiskan mereka dalam nama Allah Bapa dan Anak dan Roh Kudus"...yiur comment full is of craps.

HezkielFeroz
HezkielFeroz

You talk in Islamic perspective and you use it to judge Christian teaching. Who are you to dictact us???? in what authorities??? Is muslim beliave that Allah is singular, so be it. What this got to do with Christian Allah??? If we believe in the trinity, what it got to do with you Allah???? The Arab Christian long berore Islam or Muhammad is just a generic name to denote the Creator, Islam came and make Allah into a personal name, this is your problem not ours, get it!

HezkielFeroz
HezkielFeroz

@Nurisman , do you know the Bible? and methods of translation? Allah is not Tuhan. Allah is God and Tuhan is Lord. Tuhan mean Owner. It comes from the word tuan. Tuan yang disembah is Tuhan, tuan yang berkuasa ialah Tuhan, it mean "kepemilikan', 'kepenguasaan'. Allah is refering to the Creator, the maker of heaven and earth, he own it, so we call him Tuhan (Owner). Btw, the rest of your writting about the Bishop is just muslim taqiyah. Show the the links.

araharah2012
araharah2012

Please read and understand a letter from Prophet Muhammad to all rulers of the world including Heracules .


Letter sent by Muhammad to Heraclius, Emperor of Byzantium


The text of the letter to Heraclius, as transmitted by Muslim historians, reads as follows:

In the name of God the Beneficent, the Merciful: (This letter is) from Muhammad son of Abdullah to Heraclius the Great (ruler) of the Romans (Byzantines). Peace be upon him, he who follows the right path. 
Furthermore I invite you to submit your will to God; submit your will to God and you will be safe, and God will double thy reward, and if you reject, thou you bear the sins of persecuting Arians.

(And I recite to you God's Statement:) (O Muhammad): 'and people of the scripture! Come to a word common to you and us that we worship none but God and that we associate nothing in worship with Him, and that none of us shall take others as Lords beside God. Then, if they turn away, say: 'Bear witness that we are Muslims' (those who have surrendered to God).


Let us  worship none but God and that we associate nothing in worship with Him ( Allah)

TonoSánchez
TonoSánchez

@Nurisman  Malayan cristians have been using that name to call God for generations. Most surely because their teaching came from Middle East. Also we, christians, same as jews and muslims follow the ONLY GOD. And we, in Spain, call Him "Dios", which is he derivated word from old latin "Deus"... and this always meaning "god" or "deity" (God derives from the germanic word to define a god or a deity). 

As far as we got a nameless God, and all those 99 denominations in islam (out of the word Allah itself) are mostly adjectives and attributes of God, and not properly a name,  they can be used (as historically men did), then.... if for christians there is only a name used for God, and we don't even use those God's atributes to call ourselves.... and since we use the word we learnt historically (in the case of europe, some learnt it in germanic and others in latin).... what's so strange for you to understand when malayan christians learnt to call God in the arabic way Allah?

It's not christians who issued a judiciary issue about this.

Even more, freedom of speech and freedom of religion/worship is enshrined in the Malaysia constitution. And protecting that is the task of an impartial judge, whatever he may believe in, not to take a side and place it over the other. 

Salam!

HezkielFeroz
HezkielFeroz

@K_C__ , who are you to dictact us how we call God in bahasa Melayu? Are you theologians, translater??? Allah is simplily an Arabic word for God in English, Tuhan mean Lord and for the Christian, God and Lord have diffrent meaning. So please, don't comment if you don't understand. Allah of the Bible is not the Allah of the Quran. We did not steal your Allah. Arabic Christian, Arab Jew even the Sabean and pagan Arab have call him Allah before Muhammad was even born, get it. You stole it (the malay)  and make him into the name of your God. In early Islam, the Arab muslim never consider or teach that Allah is a name, it simplily mean God, the Creator, but only later, in order to Arabize the non Arab muslim, some muslim theologian, with the spirit of religious exclusiveness in a plural society of a non muslim world make Allah a name. Ask your ulama's, ask the Arab.

TonoSánchez
TonoSánchez

@K_C__ What you must LEARN, buddy , is that there is only ONE God.... and we, christians, same as jews and muslims, believe in that ONLY ONE GOD. If you also see that christians have been using that name for God in middle east for 2000 years.... and also that christians have been using that name (Allah) to refer to God since always in Malaysia... as referring to that ONLY GOD, under the name they learnt about some centuries ago, then it's not them who suddenly started an issue on this. 

We don't call God "Allah" here... we say "Dios" in Spain, because that word, derived from latin, means God,... and our God is a nameless God.... He is The God. 

The word "God" derives from germanic old languages and is the one used by germanic tradition christians in northern Europe. 

But still the concept is the same, whatever the language we heard about Him. 

An only name, whatever the way we learnt it (Dios, Deus, Dieu, God, Gott, Allah.....) meaning exactly the same, to describe The only one. Franks were german peoples, but they learnt about God from romans, and that's why the french name for Him is Dieu... maybe that helps you to understand his better. If Malayan christians learnt about God under the name of Allah, then that's their tradition. Simple as that. And must be respected. Specially because there is only ONE God, for us. 

So, stating that "Allah is the God of muslims, and the god of christians should be called "Tuhan" is just saying that there is more than one god, sir: your god and theirs. 

And it's not like that. :) ... If Muhammad sad that chrisians and jews are "people of he book" is because we follow the same God thru different paths. Paths that could be mistaken for islam, but still paths TOWARDS THE SAME GOD.

 If you don't get this, buddy... then you can hardly understand Muhammad's message, and even less God's message.

Salam.

araharah2012
araharah2012

@shandclub @TonoSánchez @Nurisman  If you consider yourself a Christian, do you follow the  teaching of Paul or Saul the murderer  or  the teaching of Moses and Jesus?

The teaching of Jesus (pbuh)

36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments. (”Matthew 22:36-40).

The teaching of Moses(pbuh)

“I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments “You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain(.Exodus 20:1-7)
If you consider yourself  a Muslim, whoever you are or  where you live ( Malaysia) and dare to said the God of Abrahim, God of Moses or God of Jesus in the bible is not Allah...something wrong with your knowledge of Islam and your IMAN.

SiranoSutalono
SiranoSutalono

Reviewing back to the old history, just wonder why Sarawak and Sabah didn't use the chance to be independent in the early 1960-ish, especially when Indonesia and Philipines insisted that the northern part of Borneo (Sarawak and Sabah) to hold a referendum before annexed by Malaysia.

TonoSánchez
TonoSánchez

@OdiRex and that should be the main concern for a judge, and not a religious satement.

PenanUlat
PenanUlat

@milfordyg 

If they manage to prohibit the word ALLAH in any way, they will collect all the Christian Bibles and ban the import of Bible from Indonesia. This country is becoming worst than the communist. 

OdiRex
OdiRex

@milfordyg 
If you are a M'sian, you should have access to the full verdict. It clearly states that non-muslims are not allowed to use "Allah" in any circumstance.

However, the gov. may decide not to enforce it in East Malaysia. They fear losing votes there.

But rest assured that once they no longer need your votes, enforcement will begin.

SGHeathen
SGHeathen

@GeorgeCherlyn Er Allah is Arabic. Arab Christians before Islam also used Allah. Its a semetic word that has the same roots as El in Elohim.

bloodymary
bloodymary

@Karl erm...jesus grow beards and wear sheets..is it a crime?

Openminded1
Openminded1

@Karl And we have one in the white house, who of course keeps the fact that he is Muslims quiet. he would not have made to the Oval office if he admitted to being a muslim, like his dad and step dad all his brothers and aunts and uncles. his brother malik works for the MB in Kenya. he fooled a lot of bleeding heart libs and got he white vote  to put him office twice , smart con man.

rpearlston
rpearlston

@Karl Just like the rest of the known world was tired of the Inquisition.

And guess what - both occurred/are occurring at the same stage (and age) of their respective religions.  Do your reading.

tryingnottoofend
tryingnottoofend

@HezkielFeroz @K_C__ lies, there is no Allah in Kamus Dewan ( official malay dictionary) Lord= tuan, Tuhan=God.. Allah means The God.. illah means god.. blasphemy ur not a true christian. are u worshiping the same god as the muslim do?

HezkielFeroz
HezkielFeroz

@araharah2012 @shandclub @TonoSánchez @Nurisman , we are not discussing theology here. Go to faith freedom. Btw, I am with my Christian brothers, even we believe that Allah is just a word in Arabic to denote God, the Creator we don't believe that Allah of the Bible is Allah of the Quran. We may share the same name or word but we have diffrent meaning or understanding, just like we share the same Abraham, but our Abraham itu not the same Abrahan in action and thought, same with Jesus, in Islam, Jesus is not the Son of God, he was not crusify ect...

HazlamiRachmatZawawi
HazlamiRachmatZawawi

@TonoSánchez @OdiRex the main concern of the judge is not to ensure that the freedom of speech is preserved, that's foolish. To judge means to be able to discern what is right and wrong. And to put it as right and wrong is justice. Everyone has a right to speak, but Islam is not a religion for fools, thus not all has the right to speak ABOUT islam :)

SaodahMahmoud
SaodahMahmoud

@OdiRex @milfordyg It says no such thing. It only says that the decision to ban a publication lies with the Home Minister and not the courts. As long as the Home Minister discharges this duty in a reasonable manner, it is not for the court to interfere.  

jcovell1971
jcovell1971

@rpearlston @Karl Evil is as evil once did. No matter what happened before.. insanity ensures it will be repeated.