Europe’s Roma Face ‘Witch-Hunt’ After Reports of Child-Snatching

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In this police handout photo taken on Thursday , Oct. 17, 2013, Christos Salis, 39, right, and his companion Eleftheria Dimopoulou, 40, or Selini Sali — as the woman has two separate sets of identity papers — pose with the little girl only known as "Maria" in the Larisa regional police headquarters, Greece

A recent spate of cases involving members of the Roma community and allegations of child-snatching has shone an uncomfortable spotlight on Europe’s attitudes and treatment of the Roma, and what some are calling a “witch-hunt” against one of Europe’s largest ethnic minorities.

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Last week the story broke of a blonde-haired, blue-eyed girl found in a Roma camp near the town of Larissa, Greece. Authorities had raided the camp in search of evidence of drugs and guns. It was during this raid that they found the four-year-old, named Maria, whose appearance did not match her parents.

A DNA test showed that the girl was not their biological child, and authorities doubted her parents’ account of how they came to adopt her. Her parents, 39-year-old Christos Salis and 40-year-old Eleftheria Dimopoulou, were detained on Monday pending trial on charges of abduction and document fraud. Both deny the charges. Meanwhile a Greek charity, Smile of the Child, has been looking after Maria and has received thousands of calls following an appeal to find her biological parents. Costas Yiannopoulos, the director of the charity, suggested to the New York Times that Maria’s case “opened a Pandora’s box about what’s happening with the Roma and the exploitation of children in Greece but also in Europe.”

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On Monday, a similar case emerged on the other side of the continent; this time a seven-year-old blonde-haired, blue-eyed girl was taken from her family, who are of Roma origin, after police officers called at a house in Tallaght, a suburb of Dublin. Similarly to the Maria case, police became suspicious given the difference between the girl’s appearance and her family’s. Not believing the birth certificates the parents produced, police removed her from her family, reports the Sunday World newspaper. The parents, both of whom have not been arrested, have agreed to DNA tests to establish whether or not she is theirs.

Some have voiced concerns over the way both stories, which have attracted significant global attention, have been reported in the media. Ethel Brooks, an expert on Roma and associate professor in women’s and gender studies at Rutgers University, says the full spectrum of coverage of Maria’s case from the BBC to tabloid newspapers like the Daily Mail have “all contributed to the sensationalism” and vilification of the Roma. She points to the way newspapers have published images of the girl’s muddy face, with suggestions that the girl had been mistreated as examples of this sensationalism. Brooks explains that these are all rooted in the centuries old stereotype of Roma as child-snatchers. This stems from a long-held idea that Roma, who tend to be darker-skinned than many Europeans, cannot have blonde-haired or blue-eyed children, says Brooks.

Zeljko Jovanovic, director of the Open Society Foundation’s Roma Initiatives Office in Hungary, echoed similar concerns about the way the issue has been portrayed. He said that the representation of the Roma community in these stories highlights an “ongoing hatred” of the Roma in Europe that has been “alarming and amplifying for a number of years.” Jovanovic suggests the consequences of the scapegoating and stereotyping could be “grave” because the “whole community is blamed for this.” Speaking with TIME, Jovanovic says already reports have emerged on Tuesday of skinheads attacking a Roma family in Serbia, because the child had whiter skin than the parents. “This is a perfect excuse for many to intensify collective blame for Roma.”

The estimated 10 to 12 million Roma in Europe have roots in India, but have been in Europe as far back as the 13th century. The most significant populations are in eastern European countries such as Bulgaria and Romania, but also in France, Greece and the U.K. The community has long been subjected to oppression and violence, and continues to face difficulty in accessing basic education, health services as well as building a political voice in their home countries.

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Brooks explains that this has often been spun into a false “assumption that Roma don’t want to integrate, or be European.” A recent case in France of the deportation of Leonarda Dibrani, a 15-year-old schoolgirl who was deported to Kosovo along with her family in September, highlights that discrimination. Though President Francois Hollande made a widely-derided offer to let her return alone to France to finish her studies, his Interior Minister, Manuel Valls has made comments on French radio suggesting that Roma people “don’t want to integrate into our country and they are in the hands of networks of crime and prostitution.”

This characterization of a whole community however has enabled many to gloss over the reality that Romani people are often the victims of crime, says Brooks. Both she and Jovanovic point to the much-less covered case of the disappearance of 502 out of 661 Albanian Roma children, who reportedly went missing between 1998-2002 from a state-run Greek children’s institution in Athens, Agia Vervara. There have been repeated calls for an investigation, including from UN bodies, but an archived report from the Greek Ombudsman from 2004 suggests that these children could have been given to human traffickers. This is part of a broader, overlooked history of Romani children being taken away from their family by the state, says Brooks.

Jovanovic asserts that the Maria case in Greece is of course a possible crime, but the way the story has been reported by the world’s media suggests that “there is a witch-hunt against the Roma.” With many European countries gearing up for national and local elections in the coming year, Jovanovic fears that this singling out of the Roma will only continue to intensify. “What it boils down to is the crime of individuals. We must not use the reports of possible crimes to vilify 12 million people,” he says.

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52 comments
paulgeorges
paulgeorges

When we complain for people who aren't honest ,because they feel so weak ,we forget our own population who sometime doesn't live a better way and is without any financial help or understanding at all . Population in Greece ,as a whole,doens'nt live a decent way and can't afford to help outside people .It 's easy for someone living very well to ask for poor people to help others.

boganblarney
boganblarney

The Gypsies, or Romanies, Roma , (Note: Irish Travellers, Wikipedia's first photo is taken from Cahirmee Horse Fair in Cork And Yes, before people had automobiles they used horse and cart or coaches!. Second photo Wow more Blonde kids but this one is suffering from famine and also has Dutch web links .nl. FACT IS THEY ARE NOT IRISH TRAVELLERS.) Irish Travellers are allegedly Roma. Facts you need to know  about "Roma" gypsies  they are everywhere in Europe and are said to be from Indian or Pakistan area. They mostly have the following charistics dark brown skin, and eyes, black hair. They are mostly slim and scrawny. They are known for swearing and cursing, lying, stealing, being uncivilised . Also in Irelands case it is alleged that they travelled through Spain and picked up there horses and flamingo (River Dance) dancing and took that culture to Ireland. It is common for English people to say that many Gypsies come from Ireland. Note the little girl called Marie  allegedly stolen by Roma gypsies in Greece. And the Roma gypsies from Ireland and the so called Irish Travellers and other Roma peoples are identical .Just google "Roma Ireland" "Roma DNA" and look at all those links and then look at the images and then please make your own opinon. 

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/in-the-wake-of-maria-child-abduction-case-we-look-at-the-truth-about-gypsies/story-fni0xs61-1226745999229

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/i-didnt-sell-maria-says-bulgarian-roma-mother-sasha-ruseva/story-e6frg6so-1226748011685

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/10/22/girl-taken-from-roma-gypsy-camp_n_4141921.html

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/shatter-seeks-report-as-roma-children-returned-to-families-1.1571172

http://www.theprovince.com/news/Another+blonde+child+taken+from+Roma+family+after+this+time/9068965/story.html

http://www.irishmirror.ie/incoming/roma-gypsy-who-attacked-two-1777252

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/10/24/roma-woman-discovered-in-bulgaria-who-may-be-mother-of-maria-willing-to-take-child-back-if-hers/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2473971/3-Roma-Gypsies-arrested-ANOTHER-child-kidnapped-Greece.html

Hitler also during World War II  persacuted "Roma Gypsy" people in Central and Eastern Europe. He placed them in labour, internment or concentration camps. And so many Roma gypsie's died under Hilter's command in camps like Lety, Hodonin concentration camp in the former Czechoslovakia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lety_concentration_camp

http://www.lety-memorial.cz/history_en.aspx

http://www.holocaust.cz/en/history/camps/hodonin

http://www.rommuz.cz/en/history-and-language/

http://romafacts.uni-graz.at/index.php/history/general-introduction/general-introduction

If you delete what I write, then I will do the same with yours. Please read and make your own opinion.

Google "Define:Blarney" also "Blarney Stone".


 Your just to scared to admit the truth and let all people make there own decision!.

SeanMaher
SeanMaher

So it turns out the first two families were falsely accused. The first family did actually adopt the little girl and the little blond girl in Dublin is their biological daughter. Can we all please being racist now?

MikeDimit
MikeDimit

Strange. Statements from people, not even close to the action. Well, just translate the way bulgarian news media follow the Maria case. And then DO comment about "witch-hunt".

tomcat
tomcat

This article is more on point than most of the information I've seen and heard on this story.


In the 2nd poorest nation in Eastern Europe, I lived in a house with the Roma, shared my meals with them and worked with them. As a relatively wealthy outsider (American), I carried an expensive Apple laptop and other pricey items that none of the locals possessed. They never stole a thing from me, and I would leave my valuables, unlocked, every time I left the village. 

Some of them were adopted – I assume outside of the law – in the community. For instance, one woman couldn't take care of all her children because she was a bit of a rebel when she was younger, so a friend decided to adopt her. She was raised as one of their own, but she looked like them, too. Dark features and blue eyes.

None of them had a BMW or Mercedes, nor did they live in tents. Some had more money than others, like in any society, though the contrasts were more apparent because of how impoverished they generally were. 

My hosts and their neighbors had been settled for many, many years, and from what I saw, most of them wanted to work and be members of the larger society.  For example, one of my friends hoped to go to the capital and study music at the university. Another wanted to create a political party representing his community. Unfortunately, taking part in the political discourse or academia was extremely difficult for them since anyone known to be a Rom was subject to racist violence when they left their community. They were beaten at random when they walked just a mile down the road. I saw the fear in their eyes – staring back at men with seemingly knowing expressions – when I accompanied them into town. 

Many Europeans have never taken the time to get to know their dark-skinned neighbors. I have observed this, firsthand. They would often rather spread and consume libel and demonize them as baby snatchers and bandits.

AKExcalibur
AKExcalibur

I was in Serbia last week, and was telling my coworker about the Roma family next to where I am staying that makes a ton of noise at 6am. He brought me to the window and pointed at a house across the way that has all of its windows blown out and looks half-torched.

Earlier this year, a bunch of stolen propane tanks exploded in that house, where 40 Roma were squatting, he described the scene of injured pedestrians, screaming people pouring out of the house, etc. I asked if they were still there. "Yup", he said - they can't be evicted.

corinthian
corinthian

There was no sign of abuse, physical, sexual, or emotional, in the child who was found among the Roma. Perhaps it is not their biological child, but she has been raised among them for an extensive period of time and was reportedly quite distraught by being taken away from them. 

I have seen the dark irony in the Greek government taking the child away from her family on suspicion of child trafficking while they have chosen to "advertise" the girl all over the world...meanwhile there may be a number of dark-haired, dark-eyed children among the Roma who are also not biologically related to their guardians, but it is the blonde, blue-eyed child that was taken into custody. 

For seven years, she has lived among her Roma family: now she is in the custody of strangers and for this, she is better off?

Being trafficked across the globe via photograph (where she is scrubbed and rubbed pretty) by officials who claim to be looking for her parents? 

Are 8, 000 responses from her mother and father, do you wonder? 

The Roma may not have a sterling reputation, but neither do the Western government officials who have no answer for how millions of women and children are bought and sold in and out of their civilized countries every day....

only complicity. 

juglar0101
juglar0101

It's not a witch hunt when it's 100% true!  White-guilt-ridden lefties STFU and get out of the way!

robertbertino7
robertbertino7

A friend of mine from France was scared for his life after being caught out after dark without keys. He was screaming at the top of his lungs for his sleeping friend to open the door. Luckily, a visiting relative heard him screaming and opened it and let him in just before a group of 5 Gypsies came running down the street toward him. 

On my own trip to Hungary, at the university at which I was studying, a Gypsy family with 10 children and two shopping carts would regularly roll through the grounds begging for cash. 

On my trip to Romania, I offered to buy a little Gypsy girl some food from the market. Not ten minutes later, I was surrounded by her family of 8 touching and tugging on me while begging. They wouldn't leave me alone as I hurried along two city blocks and only left once I finally threatened to call the police. I later found out that I had narrowly missed being pickpocketed, two of my backpack pockets were completely open but luckily my cash and valuables were too deep for them to reach.

On my trip to Rome, Gypsies were everywhere, begging on the streets and even harassing people inside restaurants.

I know some Gypsies who are good people, and I have no doubt that many are. But make no mistake, Gypsy migration on a whole has had a very negative affect on European communities. A person's DNA must never be a subject of prejudice, but does that mean that all world cultures are equal and free from criticism regardless of their practices?

#libtardedamerica
#libtardedamerica

it's not a witch hunt when it's happening for very real reasons and is true

sensi
sensi

Well, why do you think this anecdotal story made international headlines in the first place? Because the British pressed the bigoted "white found with romas" xenophobia tainted and prejudiced litany, and you can be sure that if the girl was a roma found among a white travelers family the story would have stayed in Greece...

HelenHill
HelenHill

How is it a witch hunt if what is happening is true?


NicParton
NicParton

Posted below are several comments full of the very hateful, racist hostility referred to by this article.  Let's not forget where those kinds of destructive beliefs can lead us.  It was not long ago that the Roma, alongside many others, were persecuted, scapegoated, and ultimately tortured and slaughtered in huge numbers.  All in the name of being able to blame one's problems on someone else.

NothingHereToSee
NothingHereToSee

I worked with a Bulgarian man who told me when he was young his parents left him sleeping in a car (it was a different place and time)  while they went into the market to get something for dinner.  They ran out of the store when they saw a Roma woman leading him down the street.    Sometimes a group of people can be major architects of their own misconceptions. 

outspoken
outspoken

Why the blode girl   can not  be Roma ?   This is  Pure Racism.

Karl
Karl

Your headline is correct. There is a witch hunt underway on the Roma because of the serious, but mysterious case of the child in Greece. Yes it fits perfectly with ancient hateful stereotypes about the gypsies. But the case is what it is, it needs to be solved. I noticed you chose not to mention that the "mother" has another legal name, an AKA totally different than the one you give and of course it goes without saying that they and their fellows in camp have made up one lie after another in this case so that now no one believes anything they say. The Daily Mirror is not known for high brow journalism, they prefer to show pictures and speculate, similar to the NY Daily News which I often resort to when I want to see pictures to connect with the names in "better" sources. The number of Roma in Europe doubled overnight  from 6 million to 12 million in your story from what I read elsewhere yesterday. That you threw out that speculative number makes me suspicious of your objectivity. Objectivity is extremely important here . I also see you have an Indian name. It is what it, but it is. So yes there is a witch hunt going on against the Roma and I have never met one knowingly. So all I know is what I read and what I read makes me sympathize with their plight and also suspicious of them. It's a good op-ed over all in reflection, but the Roma, or as some prefer to call them, the gypsis, need more than a PR agent now. They need to get to the bottom of these two cases yesterday. That is the best thing that can happen for them.

Duffman
Duffman

Everybody feels bad for the poor Gypsies. That is until they move to the outskirts of your town and start using the land as an open air toilet and crime rates double overnight. France is right to deport them and so should other countries. If you refuse to have a permanent address and want to live like a nomad, be prepared to be hated and despised.

aWorldGoneMad
aWorldGoneMad

Sorry, but most of the Roma I've ever seen are beggars and thieves. I've seen a few who were street musicians, but how do I know they weren't lookouts for pickpockets, they may have been. Stereotypes are stereotypes for a reason. Obviously not all are bad, but a bunch are and they give the rest a bad name. The people who talk about how terrible it is to label them have never seen them in action in Europe. Is that not PC? No it's not. But the truth is the truth whether it is popular or not.

PhilipSmeeton
PhilipSmeeton

They have chosen to live on the edge of society and beg and steal.

BigMaria
BigMaria

Maybe the little girl is an Irish Gypsy.

Karl
Karl

@sensi Thank you for letting us know. I am sad for that family but better to be safe than sorry, or what I mean to say, miss the only chance that might come by to save a missing child. This family now deserves an official apology and some candy and flowers, at the least. What a horrible thing to have been put through, and I was part of the lynch mob too when they couldn't produce a date for the child's birth that matched hospital records. So I owe them an apology. This story will do more good for the Roma in Ireland and Britain than all the well meant op-eds from the media on witch hunts could. People want answers when they get suspicious, especially when it involves children too young to know anything but what they've been told. But aside from the misery this family was put through, and probably many other Roma right now in Europe, this is the best possible ending and their misery may have helped their fellow Roma escape some suspicion in their part of the world. People will think twice now about bothering Roma families in Ireland and Britain. These things turn on facts and if the facts had turned out to be bad then it would have been bad news indeed.

KevinRobb
KevinRobb

@LinBiao Just finished watching this documentary. I must say, much more in depth and informative than the TIME piece. I recommend all posters here watch this if you really want to understand the culture and the problems we/they face. 

Karl
Karl

@corinthian I haven't read the facts you quoted but there are a ton of stories. But one story I read said that she had been given her own bedroom by the Roma couple with special decor (I guess that means nicer) but the other children in the house, about the same age, shared mattresses and one room. That doesn't sound like she was part of a family more a commodity of some value. I don't think she was kidnapped anymore, but I do think she may have been bought, and I don't think adults should have the right to buy children or to sell them and the state has a job to do when it is discovered. As for your inane comment on looking for kidnapped children among families that look related, well why don't you start on that yourself, if you think that should be done. You want the police to DNA test every child in Europe to see if it matches its' parents or just gypsy kids. Sometimes people trip over political correctness into a twilight zone where suspicious situations, because the suspicions might be based on a current popular politically correct notion, are not supposed to be acknowledged, having the suspicion becomes itself suspect. It reminds me of the Asian boy who Jeffrey Dahmer was in the middle of drilling a hole into his head to inject  acid and who escaped and the police brought him "home" to Dahmer, thinking it was a domestic squabble because the boy couldn't talk sensibly. Probably because a hole had been drilled into his head by a maniac. Suspicions should be acted on more often and there might fewer men like that Castro fellow who kept three young women as sex slaves in his house for a decade, the guy who just committed suicide in his cell by auto-asphyxiation! And the cases pile up and you want political correctness to stand in the way when suspicions are raised for logical, if not politically correct, reasons? 

sensi
sensi

@juglar0101 The bigot will generalize over a whole group of people, as demonstrated in this so brilliant example.

Karl
Karl

@sensi that a good point. But the story is what it is. It's not made up, it's not exaggerated, though innocent good people may suffer because of it.  

hansbavinck
hansbavinck

@HelenHill It's a witch hunt when an entire community is targeted, even if it is true that one member of that community committed a crime.

You and I are white; how would we like it if, following a crime committed by a white person, the police visited us, our kids needed DNA analysis, society as a whole looked at us askance, and press headlines screamed about the dangers of white people? Wouldn't that be a witchhunt? Well, that's what's happening. A witch hunt.

JasonP.Levy
JasonP.Levy

@NothingHereToSee So that one woman was a representative of the entire Roma community? It must have been an important child, that the entire Roma community in Europe banded together to get this woman to kidnap him. What you're saying is absurd. Crimes committed by Roma are committed by individuals and have no logical bearing on the culpability of the community as a whole. What you're doing when you're saying that it's ok to place a stigma on an entire group of people because the actions of a few of their number conform to a negative stereotype.

I got beat up once in sixth grade. The kid who beat me up was black. What if based on that, I tried to place blame on the entire black community because of the actions of ONE kid? I'd be pilloried! 

#libtardedamerica
#libtardedamerica

@outspoken

"Why the blode girl   can not  be Roma ?   This is  Pure Racism."

it's called genetics dumbass

sonhead000
sonhead000

@outspoken It's science, you retard.  Ph.D. in genetics (but you shouldn't have to have one to know this at least)

hansbavinck
hansbavinck

@Duffman One of my best friends lives like a nomad, in a horse-drawn wagon. He's been all over Europe, even up to Kazakhstan, travelling at 3 mph. His horse was poisoned in Russia because of anti-nomad hatred. He regularly is visited by police although nothing ever comes of it, his papers are in order. But when he enters a village, invariably someone calls the cops. And he's blue-eyed and blonde-haired, he's never stolen a thing in his life, and unlike the people who call the police he causes zero pollution. It's easy to imagine how he'd be treated if he was darkskinned. It's a fact that sedentary cultures are hostile to nomadic ones. It goes back far, even to the Old Testament - except that the Jews were the nomads then. By the way until recently I lived in a southern part of France with a large Roma population. In five years I never locked my front door once, not even when I left on vacation.

sensi
sensi

@PhilipSmeeton Some maybe? Stop generalizing, because this is otherwise as false as bigoted.

Laurikov
Laurikov

@Karl @sensi Candy and flowers? If they were to be treated as any other westerner they should get a hefty sum of compensation for the amount of ridicule they have gone through.

corinthian
corinthian

@Karl Arguments for or against "political correctness" are ever an obsolescence in tandem. 

Yes, you should indeed have read the facts before you posted your "stories." 

juglar0101
juglar0101

@KevinRobb @juglar0101  

As if one must be white to push the white-guilt narrative? All of these behaviors that everyone calls "age-old stereotypes" and "libels" are very real practices of cigani.  Let me guess, you've spent your entire life in USA/Canada where these problem people don't exist.

sensi
sensi

The story is what it is indeed but the media exploitation by bigoted British tabloids too, as is the prejudiced overreaction which followed: 

DNA tests on Dublin Roma girl 'show she is part of family'

"It is understood DNA tests have proved that a seven-year-old girl taken from a Roma family in Dublin on Monday is their daughter."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24645947

sensi
sensi

@JasonP.Levy @NothingHereToSee Indeed, people have a stupid and conditioned tendency to generalize over others people from their own anecdotal and unrepresentative experience.

hansbavinck
hansbavinck

@sonhead000 @outspoken You don't need a PhD in genetics to know that blonde hair and blue eyes are regressive traits, meaning that darkhaired and browneyed people can indeed have children with blonde hair and blue eyes. I have several Arab friends who have red hair, for example (regressive Celtic genes).

hansbavinck
hansbavinck

@#libtardedamerica @BigMaria A blonde, blue-eyed child recently taken from a Roma family in Dublin turns out, after DNA analysis, to be their natural child all right. There's nothing uncommon about a Gypsy being blonde.

sensi
sensi

@#libtardedamerica @BigMaria Irish is a nationality... Are you thinking that Romas have kept their genetics unmixed for the last tens centuries?

From the article... "[Roma] have been in Europe as far back as the 13th century. The most significant populations are in eastern European countries such as Bulgaria and Romania, but also in France, Greece and the U.K."

Karl
Karl

@Laurikov @Karl @sensi I thought about a law suit immediately and decided not to mention that probability when I commented. For being arrested while the DNA tests were done at the least (and I acknowledge I wrote a comment calling for just that after the hospital said the mother was wrong about the child being born there on the day she gave) they probably have a good lawsuit. Ridicule they HAVE suffered! And now I checked the news and see the Bulgarian  Roma family (more Roma than Bulgarian since the blond, blue eyed son can hardly speak the country's native language, and since they live like a couple of native American tribes who crisscross our southern border, or used to, in their nomadic and ancient lifestyle. I see now that the media as the op-ed author pointed out did jump into shark feeding mode. But I don't blame the public for its' obsession with trying to find where the missing children go. 

Now my comment on the Roma family living in Greece. It's a complicated reaction based on my ignorance of what caused a whole people to decide to live off the grid and often lie and steal to get by. The woman who took in the blond child in Greece still was being supported by a bankrupt Greece for 14 children, most of whom probably never were real, they were a way to make money off the apparently slip shod Greek bureaucracy. This story has taught me more about the way things are done in Greece than a politically correct person would want to know. And  the woman who took in the child, she has two AKA's, why? If not to make money off the system. All the lies, the way the blond child was treated as the special child compared with the woman's own children (she had a private room, with better furnishings and toys, and was filmed alone dancing, in one video another child was pulled out of the way). So this family is guilty of being targeted by the police based on racial profiling, I can live with that since the story could have had a different ending. I feel bad about the arrest of the Irish Roma couple. They don't bother with birth certificates (?!) even when they could easily, legally pick one up. Maybe there is a charge - I don't know. But seeing how these people live in Bulgaria and Greece, the 15 year old, presumable Bulgarian born citizen can't speak Bulgarian. They live in squalor, and as we all know that can often be the fault of a system that discounts a people, they sometimes or often steal, as the link to the BBC documentary shows.But the child in Greece needs to go back to her adoptive parents for now. The bureaucrats need to find out if the adult couple are guilty of defrauding the Greeks, that is a felony and could cause the couple to lose all their children in any Western country. 

I know the history of how White Australians and US Americans took the children of the natives to teach them how to fit into the modern societies that had been foisted upon age old human landscapes and Europe wont follow that shady trail. But something needs to be done continent wide to help these people, I can think of Bulgarian language teachers going to camps and teaching the kids the native language for use in getting a job. But then we are all slapped in the face with a fact, much of Europe is all but bankrupt since the crash of 08 so where will the Bulgarians find the extra cash to help people who probably don't even know how to vote. This story was an eye opener to me. I feel like I've learned a lot, a lot that I wish was not there to learn. Injustice, age-old criminal behavior passed down through generations and racism by the general society passed down just as effectively. Anyone following this story carefully, un-blinded by any personal devotion to political correctness has been on a roller coaster ride made up of learning new things. Isn't that what the news should do, teach us what we need to know about our world in order to make the best decisions when we vote and when we mouth off.

KevinRobb
KevinRobb

@juglar0101 @KevinRobb Actually I live in Spain, and have done so for many years. Nice try. You sure like to assume things about people, don´t  you?

sensi
sensi

@juglar0101 @sensi Denial about what exactly? I am not generalizing and considering the Roma people as a monolithic group who only "beg and steal", that is. You seem, reading your comments here, to be racist and bigoted, but you will certainly deny it.