Croatians Vote In Favor of Banning Same-Sex Marriage

About 35% of voters wanted to allow gay marriage

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Initial poll results on Sunday showed Croatia has backed amendments to its constitution that would ban same-sex marriage and strictly define the union along heterosexual lines.

Almost 65 percent of voters agreed to defining marriage as a “matrimony between a man and a woman,” according to the partial results from about one-third of polling stations that were released by the electoral commission.

Liberal groups opposed, saying it infringes on basic human rights, and both the government and public figures spoke out against the referendum. Croatian President Ivo Josipovic planned to vote against amending the constitution: “We don’t need this kind of a referendum,” he said. “Defining marriage between a man and a woman doesn’t belong to the constitution. A nation is judged by its attitude toward minorities.”

But groups backed by the Catholic Church garnered 750,000 signatures in support of the measure.

The vote, a major victory for Croatia’s conservatives, has divided the newest E.U. nation. About 90% of its 4.4 million people are Roman Catholic. Still, experts say the country’s attitude toward gay rights has shifted gradually since the first pride parade was held in Zagreb in 2002.

[AP]

35 comments
hughoxford0
hughoxford0

Marriage is the natural way human societies order, structure, protect, promote and support mating, motherhood and procreation. In that context, it's almost impossible to know what it means to talk about a person "marrying" another person of the same sex. What does it actually mean? It's absurd that the Croatian people actually had to go the polls to affirm the nature and purpose of marriage: it should be obvious to thoughtful and responsible people.

LjepaNasa
LjepaNasa

Shameful. I cannot believe the ridiculous comments below justifying the vote, based on semantics, definitions, and outdated arguments. If same sex couples want to get married, then they should be able to. Full stop. And John Smith39, what do you say to those who get married and decide not to "procreate" but rather to adopt, or to use surrogacy? JellyBean123 - I hear you. If in fact a small percentage of Croatians voted, then the government should step in and declare the result Null and Void. I just cannot believe that this actually happened... Like what????

JohnSmith39
JohnSmith39

The European Human Rights Convention already commented on this issue in a ruling last year stating: "The European Convention on Human Rights does not require member states’ governments to grant same-sex couples access to marriage."
If they considered "gay-marriage" a human right they would have ruled it as such. 

Limiting the word marriage to define "a union between a man and a woman for the purpose of procreation" does not discriminate against homosexuals because the very definition excludes them from such a union in the same way that the definition of a car as "a four-wheeled internal combustion vehicle..." excludes motorcycles. They are different things albeit with similar purposes but that is why we have different words to describe different ideas. 

thriver
thriver

"For to be free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others". - Nelson Mandela

jellybean123
jellybean123

In our defense I'd like to say that we're not all draconian primates. Only 1/5 of the nation even voted, there was a multitude of irregularities which were reported in voting (being asked to circle your votes with a pencil, ballot boxes which weren't stamped or sealed, no monitoring, press and watchdog agents were banned, etc etc etc). It's a sad day but I feel that Croats were cheated out of expressing their true opinions and insteat the church and it's minions took it upon themselves to simply declare what they felt was right. 

mutantkeyboard
mutantkeyboard

Guys. All newspapers are so biased toward LGBT people. I'm from Croatia and I'll tell you one thing.  I agree that LGBT people should have their rights, they should have their communities and they should be able to live freely without bullying,  but I disagree that it should be called marriage. All we want is that LGBT people choose another name for the matrimony of the same sex couples. And it's not hate, nor breaking any human rights. It's simply disagreement with the use of the word marriage. If they can't accept that, that's their problem, not ours. 

carmen.rodica24
carmen.rodica24

Thank GOD there are still some countries that favour normal sexual behaviour. Enough with this gay stuff it makes me sick!

youreye
youreye

Its not really a vote on marriage, its about ideology and politcs. 

ReydelValle
ReydelValle

The ignorance from people in this post is so perfect...Is a shame try to change... no wonder this country looks more every day like Haiti.

by the way CROATIA IS A COUNTRY and WAS COMMUNIST BEFORE WITH NO CHURCH... THE RUSSIAN AND THE PUPET GOVERNMENT KILL GOD'S FOLLOWERS IN THE LATES 40'S AND EARLY 50'S...with a Communist Government  here YOU ALL been on your knees begging for GOD. GOD BLESS AMERICA!

formerlyjames
formerlyjames

Notch up another battle victory for the Roman Catholic Church.  Access to contraception, abortion, and homosexual equality violate the rights of these holy people and they won't stand for it.  Onward Christian Soldiers.

DianaMaras
DianaMaras

Good to see the Church is still working hard to spread hate. Amen. 

RobRowley
RobRowley

The time has come for Croatia to be removed from the EU.

knightporter
knightporter

Well, so much for all that high-minded speech from the pope. The Church is still happy to spend "God's money" on hatred and bigotry. Flaming hypocrisy still alive and well in Rome.

JeremyHodder
JeremyHodder

@hughoxford0  i love how idiots like you think you are the mouthpiece and brains for god.. that you think a supernatural being exists and rules us is bad enough but then you freaking christians think you are the eyes and ear and brains of god..that what you think is what god wants. well mother nature says different since homosexuality has existed on this planet as long as heterosexuality has. obviously NATURE thinks it's natural. but your pea sized god brain doesn't...simpleton.

JureAlavanja
JureAlavanja

First of all, it's LijepaNasa and not LjepaNasa. Second of all, just because you are entitled to have an opinion doesn't automatically mean your opinion is the correct one. Not caring for other people's opinions only makes you look ignorant and disrespectful. So stop enforcing your points of view on other people.

LjepaNasa
LjepaNasa

@JohnSmith39 Are you for real? According to your argument, then couples who are sterile or prefer adoption are not allowed to get married either.

ZokiMilanov
ZokiMilanov

you are full of it... president of Croatia, prime minister and all ministers, all so called organisations of civic society and all of media were against referendum, all of them constantly were repeating lies about people who were for referendum, and you want me to believe that there were irregularities?! really pathetic...

thriver
thriver

@jellybean123 Thank you for this insight. Always hard to know when relying on international media.

LjepaNasa
LjepaNasa

@mutantkeyboard Keep your outdated views to yourself. Anyone should be able to marry, and that is the end of it.

thriver
thriver

@mutantkeyboard The problem is that the word "marriage" doesn't really belong to you. It belongs to society and LGBT folks make up society as well. "Majority rules" is a basic and healthy democratic principle that is usually recognized as ineffective when it comes to voting for the rights of a minority since they will always be outnumbered.

Why wouldn't the 95% catholics also use a referendum to decide that the 5% other religions shouldn't have drivers licenses?

JeremyHodder
JeremyHodder

@carmen.rodica24  if gay stuff makes you sick maybe you should stop secretly doing it? homophobes are usually self loathing gays brainwashed by christianity..

thriver
thriver

@carmen.rodica24 I couldn't agree more. And left-handed people too!! They make me nauseous! 
Maybe we can put them all on an island and get back to normal living with right handed heterosexual citizens.

LjepaNasa
LjepaNasa

@youreye Sadly, yes... Those who voted are an embarassment to the rest of us.

LjepaNasa
LjepaNasa

@ReydelValle You need a history lesson. I was born in Communist Yugoslavia, and was baptised there as a Catholic. I travelled freely between Canada and Yugoslavia every summer as a child. Many relatives came to visit me here.

moscowmist
moscowmist

@ReydelValle What about your ignorance? Yugoslav Communism was separate from the Soviet Union's concept of the system. Common ties were severed in 1948. And the majority of people who lived in the former Yugoslavia kept their religious identity and many beliefs. Of course your diluted vision of history wouldn't know that. Try looking it up. Learn something.

LjepaNasa
LjepaNasa

@formerlyjames It is quite shameful. Today I wish I wasn't Croatian, and fortunately I renounced my Catholic faith years ago, when the Church was still covering up sexual abuse by priests of young boys.

MileJerković
MileJerković

@RobRowley Hold on, 35% of us voted against it and our government announced amendments to marriage laws (which started this whole thing) so that same-sex couples can have equal rights.

JeremyHodder
JeremyHodder

@JureAlavanja lmfao you are doing what you are complaining about them doing. you hypocrite. you must be a christian. i'm just gonna copy and paste your argument so you can argue with yourself. simpleton. 

just because you are entitled to have an opinion doesn't automatically mean your opinion is the correct one. Not caring for other people's opinions only makes you look ignorant and disrespectful. So stop enforcing your points of view on other people.


JureAlavanja
JureAlavanja

My point of view has nothing to do with religion, since I am not a religious man. And I really don't see how that makes me a hypocrite. I respect her opinion and I am not trying to enforce mine on anyone. All I expect from the other side is to respect mine opinion also, without publicly declaring theirs as absolutly right and unquestionable.