Four Dead as Bangkok Sees Worst Political Violence Since 2010

Police unleash tear gas and water cannons on antigovernment protesters as embattled Thai Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra is forced to flee to secret location

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Antigovernment protesters walk through a cloud of tear gas fired by riot police in Bangkok on Dec. 1, 2013

Updated: 8:13 a.m. E.T.

Four protesters have been killed and more than 100 people injured in Bangkok as pro- and antigovernment rivals face off in escalating street clashes, with police unleashing tear gas and water cannons on the riotous crowd on Sunday. Embattled Thai Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra was forced to flee from the police sports club where she was based to a secret location after protesters stormed the compound.

Opponents of Yingluck, a coalition of urban royalists and traditional elites known by the collective moniker Yellow Shirts, have accused her of being merely a proxy for her brother, billionaire former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra. Thaksin was ousted in a military coup in 2006 and was convicted of corruption in absentia, but maintains popular support among the nation’s rural poor in the highly populated northeast part of the country. His supporters are known as Red Shirts.

Sunday was deemed the deadline for weeklong attempts to oust the Yingluck Administration, and demonstrators set about destroying barricades and attempting to enter several government compounds across the Thai capital, also throwing rocks and petrol bombs. “We’re very concerned about the violence, and we’ve been urging both the protesters and government to respect rights,” says Phil Robertson, Bangkok-based deputy Asia director for Human Rights Watch, which has been closely monitoring unfolding events.

(MORE: Thailand’s Color War: Why Red Hates Yellow)

Protesters at Government House, where Yingluck’s regular office is located, tried to gain access to the compound by hauling away protective barriers using pickup trucks. Their attempts were met with water cannons and tear gas, although some canisters were promptly thrown back at the security forces. More than 21,000 police and 1,000 soldiers have been deployed to protect 10 government installations from being occupied.

On Saturday, around 70,000 Red Shirts, who had gathered near Bangkok’s Rajamangala National Stadium to show support for the current administration, clashed with students, mainly antigovernment Yellow Shirts, emerging from neighboring Ramkhamhaeng University. About 8 p.m. local time, one person was killed when a shot was fired into the campus. Red Shirts had emerged from the stadium to support their comrades after several people were pulled from cars and beaten on the belief that they were Thaksin supporters.

Fighting continued in the surrounding area into the night, and by morning busloads of Red Shirt supporters were leaving the capital after leaders said their safety could not be guaranteed. “With the main group being sent home, hopefully we won’t see that conflict between these two mass movements,” says Robertson. “But there’s always a worry of agent provocateurs from one side or another trying to cause problems.”

(MORE: Thailand’s Democrat Party Is Hilariously Misnamed)

By Sunday, Yellow Shirt protesters had turned their attention to government buildings instead. Although things appeared calmer toward the middle of the day, past experience shows that the situation can quickly escalate further when the cooler evening approaches and more people come out onto the street.

Yingluck, who won landslide election in 2011 to become Thailand’s first female Prime Minister, insists that force would not be used to disperse the crowd and called for negotiations, a plea turned down by protest leader Suthep Thaugsuban. Instead, he called for a general strike Monday to bring down the government.

A former Deputy Prime Minister for the opposition Democrat Party, Suthep urged his supporters to surround various ministries, headquarters of the national and city police as well as the Prime Minister’s office at Government House. Normally bustling shopping malls were shuttered as Bangkok experienced its worst violence since some 90 people were killed and 2,000 injured in similar street clashes in 2010.

This post has been updated from the original version with the latest casualty figures.

91 comments
musashi
musashi

Most Thais will say "Long live the King!" to wish HM good health.

Some Thais, namely the Democrat Party will say "Long live the King!" to wish themselves perpetual appointment to be the government without winning elections.

Wi-JasmineWi
Wi-JasmineWi

@KingObama  ask @ musashi and @charliecamp6ll  they know what they are doing to control the board discussion.


KingObama
KingObama

Is it just my browser or is Time's lame site jumbling up the chronological sequence of posts making them hard to follow?

musashi
musashi

In response to Melani's claim that: The Monarchy is not involved in politics

I do not blame you for having such thoughts. I blame the draconian Lese Majeste laws which veiled the eyes of the Thai public and prevented the truth from being revealed, discussed, published or taught in schools. Where facts and evidence are secondary to myths propagated by the royal fiction story writers.

Let's abolish the Lese Majeste laws so people like you can discover the truth other than the royal propaganda dished out to Thais every day by the filthy rich monarchy. 

If you have an open mind, you are welcome to read:

1. The Kind Never Smiles - by Paul Handley (good background material on how tightly the monarchy controls politics and Thai businesses up to now, and its relationship with power players like the Americans and British)

2. "Political Stability in Thailand" by Tamada, Yoshifumi (Kyoto University, Asafas) - tells you how the various factions in the army are aligned with the prince and Thaksin, versus the princess and the old elites. They are vying to fill the power vacuum that will be created if the king dies.

3. http://wikileaks.org/Thailand-s-Moment-of-Truth-Part.html - how the monarchy work with the army and judiciary to usurp the power from the people over the last few decades and even for now. 

4. http://www.forbes.com/sites/simonmontlake/2012/01/20/in-thailand-a-rare-peek-at-his-majestys-balance-sheet/  - this article explains to you how the king got so filthy rich. I am not sure if you believe in his idiotic Sufficient Theory, but his economic vision is as good as a one-eyed snake.


musashi
musashi

In response to Melani's claim that: Yingluck is a puppet

Everybody knew that when they voted for PTP, they voted for Thaksin. There is absolutely no confusion in there.

However, Yingluck is certainly better than that draft dodging Abhisit who couldn't even win an election despite using tanks to stage a coup, using machine guns to massacre 92 and maim 2,000 just to keep power. That spineless creep even enlisted Gen Anupong to get the army to 'help voters love' the government (The Telegraph 18 Dec 2008). 

For someone groomed from young to be a political star, and to be beaten flat by a woman he called a rookie and publicly derided her, is indeed pathetic. Abhisit is an example of a good education wasted on a person of poor character.

And in case you look down on the uneducated:

Let me remind you that history books show that American democracy leaders in the early days - eg. George Washington and Abraham Lincoln, do not have formal education. You can hardly find a school at the frontiers in those days.

America's democracy, led by uneducated folks, lasted from Independence day in 1776 till today - far longer than any contemporary elitist dictatorships.

If the uneducated are "susceptible" to propaganda, then it was much worse for the educated ones educated with propaganda, imagery and constricted thinking (like those royalists in Thailand).

ChinaLee
ChinaLee

Thailand is a democratic mess.

When you lose at the polls, you wait until the next election for your chance to run the government.

You do not go out into the streets and keep trying to overthrow a freely-elected democratic government.

These anti-government protests are an attempt at a coup and they are undemocratic. They must stop.

musashi
musashi


In response to Melani's claim that: The protest is not yellow in nature

Yellow shirt, green shirt, blue shirt, white masks, present Democrats, past Democrats.... they are all the same bunch of royalist (trying to appear as if they are from multiple segments of society).

(See: 11 Nov 2013:  http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/Chamlong-returns-to-lead-fight-30219249.html) Excerpts showing how the trouble maker Chamlong is yet again at the forefront. This guy was the secretary of Prem Tinsulanonda (chief privy councillor advising the king), and instigated multiple massacre of innocent civilians since the 1970s (yet hiding behind his Dharma army religious cult):

"Chamlong Srimuang, a former leader of the People's Alliance for Democracy, on Monday announced that he will play a leading role in the planned rally with the People's Army to protest .. He said Sondhi Limthongkul, another former PAD leader, will not join the rally, citing tactical strategy as the reason. Sondhi, however, will have his Manager Group fully supporting the rally."

musashi
musashi


In response to Melani's claim that: Thaksin is corrupted

From 2006 to 2011, for 5 long years, the junta and the junta puppets (Democrat Party) could only find Thaksin guilty of a conflict of interest (by a court setup by Thaksin's enemies).

The Assets Scrutiny Committee (a critical junta-established agency) recommended legal action against the citizens' elected government PPP (and Thaksin) without hearing 300 defense witnesses or evidence. Kaewsan Atibodhi (ASC’s secretary) even publicly proclaimed "Evidence and witnesses are useless!" (Bangkokpost 9 April 2008). After which, the Constitution Court ruled that the ASC's work, undertaken under junta rules, was legal (Bangkokpost 1 July 2008).

Being full time Thaksin voyeurs and all-knowing about matters regarding Thaksin, the royalists should have plenty of evidence right? Surprisingly not, as we see them trolling day after day accusing Thaksin of crimes, but being unable to produce an iota of evidence to support their verbal incontinence.

musashi
musashi


In response to Melani's claim that: PTP is incurring B2 Trillion in debt

More than B1.75 Trillion of debt were hurriedly spent on boondoggles by Abhisit within 2 short years. (B 0.875 Trillion per year). Not counting the billions used for "pork" barrel syndication, censorship, and coup propaganda.

In contrast, the PTP government has not spent a single satang of this proposed budget. They proposed to use up to B2 trillion max over 7 years (~ B 0.286 trillion per year).  3 times less per year than what Democrats already spent.

If the Democrats win the next election, they get to spend half that money. 

Obviously the Democrats knew they are unelectable. So they are hell bent on grinding the country to a halt with anarchy and insurrection, hoping that they could appoint themselves to be the next government without the people's mandate.

musashi
musashi

In response to Melani's claim that: There were more than 2 million protestors

There is a reason why international press indicated that there were only about 100,000 protestors. And it is because the physical space at the rally site can be calculated. There is no way 2 million people can squeeze into the rally site, even if they are stacked on top of each other 10 times.

Melani
Melani

Time was great and all but hey, now they're publishing all kinds of BS from some kind of retarded authors like Charlie Campbell for instance. 

Melani
Melani

Time (namely this precise author), is being massively biased with the story and missing the many element factors of this uproar. Take how the author is still identifying the current protesters as 'Yellow Shirts' for an example. Sure, some numbers of the leaders are from the old 'middle class' opponents but right now it's not about the classes anymore. People from the rurals take buses to join the event in Bangkok and many of them march to their own province's goverment buildings and this piece of writing has simply looked over the information of how the whole actual country is coming down on the deep-rooted corrupted goverment in the biggest protest in Thai history.

The article surprisingly tells why the infamous ousted PM, Thaksin Shinawatra got there but the fact why people, all the people from every social classes around the country, suddenly go up against the goverment is not at all stated. 

I present to you... The Amnesty Bill, The Two-Trillion-Baht Loans for Infrastructure Projects. The latest ones. 

The old but never dying ones, The War on Drugs, The Sales of Shin Corporation to Temasek, and the list goes on and on.

The wrongdoings from Thaksin's time are way too much for anyone to ignore. Everybody's hurt and his sister wants to shove a 2,000,000,000,000 debt in their throats while pardoning him for all his previous crimes and bringing him back to power.

They don't have to be with any kind of groups or colors or parties to go absolute crazy downtown. This is just madness. 

I am not a professional of any kind but I have went there in the crowds myself and I'm pretty sure I'm not a total idiot.


- If you're thinking why this isn't involving the PM Yingluck, you should check out her background on politics and see for yourself why the protesters are calling her a puppet.

- Please kindly research the previous works of Red Shirts.

- Do tell how Suthep, the protest leader has completely fooled 2 million people including doctors, professors, lecturers, political writers, cops, soldiers, university students, businessmen to strike and how Thaksin never bought votes from the 60% through Yingluck government.  

seshl
seshl

Hi,


Suteep whould stop this with immediate effect, otherwise he & his protestors willbe fired w & burnt then & there .  kindly allow peace to come to thailand people.  For your Attention: Mr. Suteep kindly donot act crazy, otherwise your self & your supporters dead bodies will be there.


from Hiappa.

musashi
musashi

Suthep and his southern Dem MPs are all in Bangkok helping him to become the next PM via the backdoor. They do not have time for the poor drowning folks back home affected by the flooding.

Royalists are taking the stance that "if we can't win votes, we should destroy everything". Suthep therefore is an ideal candidate. Being a southern mafia godfather with a long string of corruption charges, and whose Democrat Party ran the south to the ground, is hoping to shape Bangkok like the south - with people killed by bombs, guns on a daily basis. Where jihadists take refuge and cause mayhem, and obtain funding through extortion and drugs, working in close collusion with the rogue army and police and Democrat officials.

This is what the royalists hope to turn Thailand into.

musashi
musashi

Mindless morons who think Suthep is organizing a peaceful rally should seriously see the videos and pics of them breaking into government buildings, holding rock catapults, guns, iron bars and throwing ping pong bombs:

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/ping-pong-bombs-thrown-police-makkawan/

"Two home-made ping pong bombs were thrown into barricades manned by police near Makkawan Bridge, causing damage to a police vehicle.

Police said the bombs were hurled into the police behind the barricades at about 7.00 p.m. last night, shattering the windshield of a police van. However no police was injured.

Police said they checked the surveillance cameras near the scene of the bridge and discovered that four youths were near the bridge and then they hurled the bombs and then ran into the crowd of anti-government protesters rallying near the bridge.

Earlier on Tuesday, a ping pong bomb was also thrown near the same place but nobody was scathed."

teetat.p
teetat.p

Whoa! Whoa! Hold On! It isn't Yellow shirts who is protesting right now. It is another group held by Suthep. Not the same one! Do more research! A lot of people come because they do not like Yingluck's government. The demand of Yellow shirts and these people is totally different.  Do I have to repeat one more time? DO MORE RESEACH!

KingObama
KingObama

Here is the most intelligent comment from Charlie's last article:

M.l.ThanisaChoombala 3 days ago

Obviously, the author of this article has either been ill-informed of the situation in Thailand or is working for one of the parties mentioned in the article. Many points in this article do not represent the whole truth of what's going on at the moment. 

1.  "color-coded political strife" or "Yellow shirts supporters of the Democrat Party"

    If you really understand what's going on, you will see that there is no yellow shirt movement anymore. There are in fact 4-5 different groups of people who have come together for the same sole purpose. That is, to stop this administration from swiping clean criminal records of Thaksin and his allies and also some leaders of the Democrat Party including Suthep himself, and from changing the law to benefit themselves. One example of the latter is the administration's attempt to amend the Bill concerning the country's natural resources. The administration is proposing that any international agreement related to natural resources can be conducted without informing the parliament. This means that the administration can pursue any agreement without informing the public via parliamentary debates.  

    I have been to various protest sights and I am neither a yellow shirt nor a Democrat Party supporter. Most people are out there voicing their opinion because they feel that it is wrong to wipe criminals' hands clean without any justice processes, and that it is wrong to change the country's laws to benefit the people in or related to the administration. 

2. The article mentions that the protesters are opposed to the amnesty bill that would have allowed Thaksin to come back to Thailand. Perhaps, what should be added here is the bill also includes Thailand's returning to Thaksin the 40something billion Baht seized from Thaksin when he was sentenced to imprisonment for corruption, and on top of that,  Thailand would have to give Thaksin 'the accumulated interest' of that sum. And 900 million of that would go to Yingluck herself. This was Yingluck's court testimony. So anyone can see that there is a conflict of interest here. 

3. The author has used the word "...seized control of the government ministries." Anyone who has been following the situation closely can see that no break-in has been necessary as the civil servants at most government offices are the ones that open the gates to their compound for the protesters. In fact, if you look closely, you will see that the civil servants, all with whistles and Thai flags in their hands,  in the compound welcome the protesters into their premises. Clearly, this protest is different from the previous 'yellow shirt VS red shirt" protests. 

4. The author states that Thailand is one of the world's largest exporters of rice. Well,.. thanks to Yingluck's administration, we are not anymore. You can just google "Thailand rice pledging scheme" and read the news hits that come up. 

5. Lastly, I am fed up with the repeated discourse concerning the 15 million votes that is being used to legitimise the Yingluck's administration. No one is questioning those 15 million votes although the past records of vote-buying done by Yingluck's party should encourage us to do so.. But the point is, legitimacy also comes from the administration's performance. It is not only how the administration came into power, but how it performs is also crucial. Yes, 15 million voted for Yingluck. But has she and her administration performed once elected? And this is the main reason why we are out there protesting against her and her administration.

So please do your homework before writing about another country. 


Read more: Thailand’s Democrat Party Is Hilariously Misnamed | TIME.com http://world.time.com/2013/11/28/thailands-democrat-party-is-hilariously-misnamed/#ixzz2mH8kDcWT

KingObama
KingObama

Charlie Campbell's writing is biased but at least it is a little less biased than in his last article.  I particularly like his choice of words in this sentence from the article, (Note: Emphasis is mine) :

"RED" Shirts had emerged from the stadium to support their "COMRADES".....

Also a word of advice:  Don't bother arguing with "musashi" it is just a waste of time and energy.  Unless you want to have fun making him mad. 



KingObama
KingObama

@musashi  

I think that everyone would agree that Lese Majeste laws are bad.  As you have posted before, even the King said he should be criticized when he is wrong.  That said, it is just a pipe dream to think these laws would be repealed while a King as highly revered, (by his people), as Rama IX is on the throne.  With Rama X, who knows, it might happen.

KingObama
KingObama

@musashi  

 Do you have anything new to contribute to your political diatribe? Or are you just trying hard to get noticed?


KingObama
KingObama

@ChinaLee 

Agreed, what is going on now is wrong but only because it has become violent.  Peaceful protest against perceived government wrongdoing  is a valid part of any democracy.  What the protesters should have done is go home before it became violent.  They made their point that a lot a people are dissatisfied with the current, (and past), governments.  Had they gone home, the protesters would have held the high moral ground then they could have organized for the next election.

musashi
musashi

International independent news agencies have all reported the violent nature of the protestors and the use of weapons and bombs. They have all reported that the government has shown utmost restraint even in the midst of violent insurrection. Even local media like MCOT, Bangkokpost, Nation did likewise. The riot police used water and tear gas, as per the protocol that most governments around the world would use against rioters.

And you have the stupidity to quote the news from The Manager, whose owner is Sonthi Limtongkul - one of the masterminds of the violent protests, and a hardcore royalists who seized the government buildings and airports in the past. Isn't it obvious that The Manager would try to paint themselves as angels even though their insurrection and use of bombs show otherwise?

Your post goes to show that royalists are ignorant fools.

thanya
thanya

@musashiCan you just shut your mouth up! 

How dare you lie to the public, really shame on you! I understand that you get into the habit, It's the way Redshirts are. They always try to push a stupid articles with unsourced statements to detroy the opposite side. Most nasty habits or dirty things that they post in any articles, it's absolutely same as thier behavior! 

=>To the readers, I came here NOT for an argument. But I can't stand to read those totally wrong articles which post by this guy, musashi! To trust any articles, I believed that you guys will try to find out the truth before you made a decision which is real or wrong. 

NeverWrongSometimes
NeverWrongSometimes

@musashi 

Ping pong "bombs"......seriously?  Do you know how big a ping pong ball is?  Hardly call that a bomb, more like a firecracker. 

musashi
musashi

@teetat.p  

Yellow shirt, green shirt, blue shirt, white masks, present Democrats, past Democrats.... they are all the same bunch of royalist (trying to appear as if they are from multiple segments of society).

( See 11 Nov 2013:  http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/Chamlong-returns-to-lead-fight-30219249.html) Excerpts showing how the trouble maker Chamlong is yet again at the forefront. This guy was the secretary of Prem Tinsulanonda (chief privy councillor advising the king), and instigated multiple massacre of innocent civilians since the 1970s (yet hiding behind his Dharma army religious cult):

"Chamlong Srimuang, a former leader of the People's Alliance for Democracy, on Monday announced that he will play a leading role in the planned rally with the People's Army to protest .. He said Sondhi Limthongkul, another former PAD leader, will not join the rally, citing tactical strategy as the reason. Sondhi, however, will have his Manager Group fully supporting the rally."

NeverWrongSometimes
NeverWrongSometimes

@KingObama  

I will follow the advice in your last sentence.  I like poking that yappy little street dog with a stick.

musashi
musashi

@KingObama @musashi  

The king is too self-absorbed to make the succession plans known. So his son is aligned to Thaksin, his daughter is aligned with the privy councilors and old elites, with the army factions (King's Guard and Queen's Guard etc.) split between the two camps vying to take over the power vacuum.

It would be best that Rama IX is the last of the blood sucking royalty. In that case, there will be no need for the Lese Majeste.

musashi
musashi

This response to Melani is new (you don't find me posting anywhere else).

Clearly you are the attention wh0re here.

musashi
musashi

@KingObama @ChinaLee  

Next election? Who's the opposition?

Democrat MP Thaworn Senneam said:”elections are irrelevant.” (Bangkokpost 2 Nov 2013).

Seeking the mandate from the people to govern is not important for them. Getting appointed by coup makers, and working with other appointed agencies to govern is the Democrat's model of "democracy" and "checks and balances (against the people)". They have been doing this for decades, even before anyone heard of Thaksin.

 

Melani
Melani

@musashi Who are these International Independent News Agencies and how is shooting rubber shots and tear gas cannisters at unarmed protesters from behind 6 layers of obstacle concrete walls 500 meters away an utmost restraint? 

The local news are even more ignorant and biased than the ones from outside. Don't forget that a lot of 'news' here is state-owned.  

Yes, and your claim that the riot police would use water cannons and tear gas against rioters is contradicting the images of riot police using sling shots and guns (hopefully firing blanks and rubber).

The accusation to The Manager News and Sonthi isn't even on topic and the images clearly show the police misconductions.

KingObama
KingObama

@musashi  

Thaksin is a royalist. Did you know that Thaksin "supports" the monarchy?  Check Wikileaks and you will find that Thaksin partially supports the Prince's gambling habit.  When the Prince becomes King, Thaksin will be back.  Thaksin is also closely associated with the Dictator of Cambodia or should I say "Cambodia's Prime Minister for 33 years".  What's the big deal? All Thaksin wants is to be a "democratically elected" figure like Hun Sen or Ferdinand Marcos, (although Ferdinand only had 20 years to embezzle).

Thaksin's niece married the son of the Cambodian dictator's right hand man.  Thaksin admires HunSen as a role model and is using his tactics to regain power.


musashi
musashi

@KingObama @musashi  

I appreciate your effort to humor me. 

But tell that to the family of Ah Kong. He received a sentence longer than murderers. He had to serve jail even when he was older than many prisoners who were pardoned for old age. He was jailed even when he had cancer... all because "his" SMS went to Abhisit's phone (technically unproven, and Ah Kong never received the justice of a competent technical investigation).

What is also puzzling is that no one actually questioned the probability of someone like Ah Kong (old, uneducated, and poor) having direct access to Abhisit's or his secretary's personal mobile number.

And what was Abhisit trying to achieve by hitting an old man with a charge that he cannot defend against?

Was Ah Kong a powerless pawn sacrificed so certain people win favors by being perceived as active defenders of the filthy rich monarchy?

KingObama
KingObama

@musashi  

That was clearly a violation of my Lese Majeste laws.  As KingObama I sentence you to 15 years.

musashi
musashi

@KingObama @musashi @ChinaLee  

A terrible monster has besieged Thailand for almost 70 years.

This monster’s name is called Corruption (aka Monarchy).

And this hideous creature has 3 legs, each with a name: 1. Army 2. Judiciary 3. Democrat Party (useless middle leg)

These legs have kicked out democratically elected governments over 20+ coups. These legs trampled on people’s rights with 18 charters/constitutions, making the country hard to govern, equality non-existent and justice hard to enforce.

This monster’s offspring can be seen everywhere – from corrupted judges, to corrupted police, corrupted politicians, to corruption in every aspect of society. 

The only way to remove corruption is to have laws that apply to each and every human being who are citizens of Thailand (whether he is a king, or a beggar). No king or privy councilor should be exempted from laws, or should be allowed to manipulate laws through coups. When we have a good constitution that applies to all, we can then have those laws enforced for the good of the nation.

KingObama
KingObama

@musashi @KingObama @ChinaLee

Granted, India doesn't have Lese Majeste laws but the political corruption was just as entrenched as in Thailand.  If you don't try to change something, it will never change.  And, if you truly believe it can't change, then the only solution is to accept it.    

musashi
musashi

@KingObama @musashi @ChinaLee  

Unlike India, the Thai monarchy's grip on Thai politics is too strong. No where else can you be jailed indefinitely with no chance of defending yourself if accused of Lese Majeste. 

Thailand's corruption is endemic because it is a systemic problem. 

KingObama
KingObama

@musashi @KingObama @ChinaLee  

Well at least I got you on a new track.  My post was about what they should of done not what they are doing.  They could have gone down the path of politics in India where people were fed up with corruption and formed a new party to fight it. I never said the "opposition" would win but they could have influenced politics in the years to come.  Rome wasn't built in a day.


Suggested reading:

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303332904579223560169956936


NeverWrongSometimes
NeverWrongSometimes

@Melani @musashi  

Rubber bullets at one time were considered "Non-lethal" but because of many deaths and permanent injuries such as blindness, they are now considered "less-lethal".  In other words, when they are used for crowd control, only a very  few people are likely to die.  Bummer if you're the unlucky one.

NeverWrongSometimes
NeverWrongSometimes

@musashi @NeverWrongSometimes 

Oh, I don't read your posts, I leave that up to one of my servants.  They tell me what you said and then I have them type a reply.  I don't want my fingers to be touching the servants dirty keyboard.  It's tough being a royalist and the choice in clothing is so boring.  It's nothing but yellow in my closet.  You'll have to excuse me now, I have to go to the lavatory.  Servant! come wipe me!

musashi
musashi

@NeverWrongSometimes @musashi 

You're not forced to read my posts, you know that right?

Facts deserve to be repeated in case drowned by the handful of royalists who keep posting lies using different nicknames online. The current protest is backed by the royalists (YELLOW).  

Question is, why do they resort to using Suthep - a well known southern mafia head with a string of corruption under his belt? Are they setting him up to be the fall guy?

KingObama
KingObama

@musashi @KingObama  

Oops, my mistake, I meant kilos but my lame American mind put pounds.  You didn't catch my sarcasm though.  He is gilding a temple where Buddha said you should give up attachment to material things.

musashi
musashi

@KingObama @musashi  

300 KG of gold ( not pounds): see http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/379856/king-donates-gold-for-temple-in-india

At an average price of US$ 1,600 per OZ that works out to be 300 x 32.151  x US$ 1600 = US$ 15,432,480 = BHT 496,386,880

With so many Thais sick and dying because they cannot even afford to take transport to the hospitals, the Thai king truly showed that a beautiful temple is more important than the sufferings of Thais.

Oh, and let's not forget he is the richest king in the world with official worth of US$ 30 billion = BHT 964,953,000,000. More than the annual salaries of 32 million Thai people.

Melani
Melani

@musashi @KingObama Dude, that's total bs. The monarch lost the power to govern like 40 years ago and the people actually make the 'imagery' themselves.

KingObama
KingObama

@musashi @KingObama  

Stop picking on the King, he's a good guy.  Just this a few weeks ago he sent a team of Thai's to the most important Buddhist temple in India.  The team will cover the dome with 300 pounds of Gold he provided.  The temple is special because it is where Buddha became enlightened and preached about giving up materialistic things.

musashi
musashi

@KingObama @musashi  

Firstly, I am not a fan of Thaksin. Whether he is a royalist or not is of no interest to me.

I write because I believe in meritocratic electoral democracy. I am not against a monarchy that knows its place in society (eg. England, Japan). But I am against a royalty that is blinded by greed, that assumed power indirectly by the murder of Rama VIII, that uses draconian Lese Majeste laws to prevent people from knowing his filthy wealth and dysfunctional family, who continues to utilize murderous ways to hold on to power, who trampled on the rights of the people and who utilizes imagery and propaganda to force love from people. Yes, I am talking about the Thai king.