Devyani Khobragade Scandal: Why India Still Won’t Back Down

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Indian diplomat Devyani Khobragade attends a Rutgers University event at India's Consulate General in New York City on June 19, 2013

Three weeks after the bilateral row began over the arrest of Indian diplomat Devyani Khobragade in New York City, the dust has yet to settle on the wintery streets of New Delhi. People may have stopped burning images of President Barack Obama, but India’s front pages still carry news of the ongoing fallout, detailing the tense exchanges between the U.S. and India over the strip search and detention of India’s deputy consul general in New York City, who India says had immunity at the time of her arrest.

On Dec. 12, U.S. State Department agents arrested Khobragade outside her children’s school in New York City, after which she was strip-searched and detained before being released on bail. She has been charged with making false declarations on a visa application for her Indian domestic worker, and has allegedly broken U.S. law by paying her employee below the minimum wage, among other alleged infractions.

Khobragade has denied all of the charges. In a letter to colleagues after her arrest, she wrote that she “broke down many times as the indignities of repeated handcuffing, stripping and cavity searches, swabbing, holdup with common criminals and drug addicts were all being imposed upon me.”

(MORE: Devyani Khobragade Scandal: The View From India)

U.S. officials have denied conducting a cavity search on the diplomat, and on Dec. 18, U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York Preet Bharara said in a statement that “Ms. Khobragade was accorded courtesies well beyond what other defendants, most of whom are American citizens, are accorded.” India claims, however, that because of Khobragade’s status at the time as an adviser to India’s U.N. mission, she was entitled to diplomatic immunity. On Dec. 30, a State Department deputy spokesperson said the government was “looking into it.”

The blowout has left Washington’s relationship with India on shaky and emotionally charged ground. New Delhi quickly retaliated with measures aimed at U.S. diplomats in India — among them the removal of traffic barriers outside the U.S. embassy in the Indian capital, restrictions on tax-free shipments and demands that the salaries of Indians employed by U.S. diplomatic staff be made public.

Indian officials have asked that the U.S. admit it was in the wrong, but U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry has so far said only that he expresses “regret” over the incident. To many Indians, that’s far from enough. U.S. handling of the affair has been “outrageous,” says Gopalaswami Parthasarathy, a former Indian ambassador who spent time in Washington. He says there was no reason to treat Khobragade so unceremoniously, and thinks the Indian government’s action has been in step with the national mood. “We cannot take this,” Parthasarathy says.

(VIDEO: Indian Diplomat’s New York City Arrest and Strip Search Sparks Fury at Home)

That the government has seized this particular moment to take a tough stand is probably not a coincidence. National elections are scheduled for a few months away, and the ruling Congress Party faces a tough fight to stay in power after a series of losses in recent state elections, most notably in New Delhi itself.

“This government has been criticized by its opponents as being excessively pro-American,” says Paranjoy Guha Thakurta, a political commentator in New Delhi. “This is a good opportunity for them to say, ‘O.K., we can act tough too. We want to know how much you are paying your gardener, and your person who works in the kitchen.’”

The jury is out on the long-term impact of that strategy. External Affairs Minister Salman Khurshid has sought to soften the tone, stressing the nations’ “valuable relationship.” Indeed, in 2011, the countries did some $86 billion in bilateral trade, and the world’s largest democracy is an increasingly crucial partner to Washington in a part of the world occupied by more unknown quantities like Pakistan and China, particularly as regional security gets ready to enter a new phase as when most foreign troops withdraw from Afghanistan this year. In a New Year’s message, U.S. Ambassador to India Nancy Powell ticked off the ways the nations have gotten along in recent years, while acknowledging ties have been “jolted by very different reactions to issues involving one of your consular officers and her domestic worker.” Like Kerry, Powell also expressed “regret” over the incident.

Will Washington and New Delhi dig their heels further into the sand, or find, as it were, a diplomatic solution? At this juncture, it’s hard to say. But some here argue that, pragmatically, India may not have a choice. “We bend over backwards for the U.S. in India and we expect the U.S. [to do the same],” says Mohan Guruswamy, founder and chairman of New Delhi think tank Centre for Policy Alternatives. That’s not going to happen, he says. “They are asking for reciprocity they won’t get.”

MORE: U.S. to Review Indian Diplomat’s Arrest and Strip Search After New Delhi Backlash

671 comments
gentamicin99
gentamicin99

Why India is making a big deal and fuss about Devayani's arrest? Yes she did violate US laws and should be punished like any US citizen. She should be brought before the judge and have a say in the matter. There are lot of fishy things about the lady. She is not transparent and hiding lots of things. Why Indian Government not knowing full facts of the case make an issue? It is indeed ugly.

ceedeer2
ceedeer2

For all those ignorant uncle toms who were saying ' In Ameica law is the same for rich and poor, black or white - Americans follow the rule' here is your American diplomats begging  to be treated equally!

        indiatoday.intoday.in/story/us-wants-restoration-of-diplomatic-privileges/1/336231.html

Oh yeah Americans never wanted to be treated diffently, even ex presidents stand in line to buy a cup of coffee!!

AbrahamYeshuratnam
AbrahamYeshuratnam

It is good Devyani  has landed in India after being expelled from  the U.S. Human trafficking is a serious crime in the U.S. 

Devyani is accused of confiscating her maid's passport and forcing her to work 100-hour, seven-day weeks at her  home in New York, according to a federal grand jury indictment. On Thursday, she  was "effectively expelled from the United States ... as part of a deal in which she was granted diplomatic immunity from the charges," 

There are five revealing examples of human trafficking on American soil:

1. Servant Kept Locked in Closet.

2. Cheerleader Accused of Sex Trafficking

3. Human Trafficking at Convenience Stores.

Raids on 7-Eleven convenience stores occurred along the East Coast in 2013, when investigators uncovered immigrant workers allegedly working for marginal pay and living in plantation-style housing. This alleged human trafficking ring was also linked to an identity theft scheme which provided the trafficked workers with fraudulent identities. Though the 7-Eleven workers had been provided homes and a relatively better wage ($3 an hour), the federal human trafficking law recognized that the employees were illegally coerced into staying

4. FBI Raids Rescue Sex-Trafficking Victims.

In another effort by law enforcement to stop human trafficking, a nationwide FBI sex-trafficking sting rescued more than 100 teens in 2013

5. Super Bowl Draws Child Sex Slaves

.Local law enforcement in past Super Bowl locations have seen an increase in child prostitution around the time of the national football championship; 

There is also documentary evidence for the  visa abuse committed by Devyani. It is also a serious offense. Even Nixon  had to resign because tapes were used as evidence. Visa papers signed by Devyani will be shown as exhibits for visa fraud. If there is a trial, Devyani would have to face 15 year jail sentence. It's good she has arrived in India. 


ghormaanas
ghormaanas

for readers - the comment below mine, though partially & minutely true, is still, quite some diametrical distance away from the reality. an instance of what is brewing within the minds of the people in India (different viewpoints, still; and particularly, towards the latter pages) is given in the form of the link below; readers could 'dip' neck deep into the following link and see for themselves:

http://techenclave.com/community/threads/us-india-diplomatic-row-over-devyani-khobragade-escalates.155212/

missperspective
missperspective

Reader commentary can sometimes illuminate a few truths that big media suppresses. The people of India are NOT angry with this diplomat's arrest or indictment. Read user comments on any article published at any media outlet on the case to gauge the  public sentiment in India. The common man (Aam Aadmi) is glad that in the US law can take its own course. So who is angry and finds this expulsion unjust? First,  Indian bureaucrats and diplomats who employ and expect underpaid domestic help as a job perk. Not surprisingly prominent Indian diplomats have come out in defense of Khobragade primarily because they are guilty of the same act on their local and foreign postings. Second, the journalists who lack objectivity or critical thinking skills to examine the issue resort have resorted to multiple fallacies in writing their stories. I wish it were required of these editors and reporters to make their political and personal affiliations clear at the beginning of every piece they write. Unfortunately the big media and bureaucrats push self- serving narrow points of view and claim those to be the views of the masses. That isn't quite true. Dip into social media and user commentary to understand the sentiment of the Indian masses. 

ShellShock
ShellShock

http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2013/12/18/diplomatic-abuse-of-servants-not-just-for-indians/


Here,in India,we are not celebrating whatever the maid might have been subjected to.If people are going to make a wage-dispute case look like a slavery one,we don't have any business in enlightening them.Why can't the world see the same American outrage when US diplomats shoot down civilians(Google:Raymond Davis case) or are involved in rape and slavery of Ethiopian and Japanese maids(Refer Nannygate US diplomacy scandal)?You people have done a very fine job in making us Indians look like barbarians and Uncle Sam as the only country where human rights are understood and practiced.To people talking about foreign aid to India,it is equivalent to the budget of some two to three Bollywood movies.Even India gives 2.1 billion dollars of aid to Afghanistan.Aids are never humanitarian but they are given with some motives.Had it been humanitarian,you could easily free many African nations with negligible population relative to that of India's from poverty without burning a hole in your respective economies.Unfortunately,those nations aren't important from a geopolitical point of view.To those drawing a relation with the caste system:Did you know that the Indian government has ordered all Indians to ink a tattoo on their foreheads with their respective caste's written on it?Did you also know that in India,only higher caste people are allowed to enter KFC while lower caste people have to live off Macdonalds?Also,the color of curry Indians consume indicates their identity as per the caste system.Higher caste people use fluorescent curry whereas lower caste people have to use blue or red colored curry. Finally,Indian government has shown some spine against these bullies.While the elephant walks,dogs can only bark.

kesri1234
kesri1234

Unfortunately people of Indian origin forget that in a foreign country their notion of 'servant' would not work. They get easily lured by fancy life style of western world, and then they try to get their 'baggages' to the country with no regard to the local laws. It is very right to expel this diplomat (and possibly anyone else) who violates the laws of land. Indian Govt is totally unjustified to ask the diplomat to be prosecuted with Indian laws or give her social immunity in the name of 'diplomatic' immunity. Strip and cavity searches never happened as is claimed by Indian media, so that doesn't possibly count as an act of error from US govt. On the contrary, the act from Indian govt to expel American diplomat appears childish, which they will eventually regret. They are forgetting whoever Americans are employing in US embassies are essentially local people and as long as US officials pay them in accordance of the local wages, they cannot be held responsible. The Indian Govt can only bark when they can prove that an American trafficked another American to India and paid him/her lower than Indian wages. Otherwise, legally this case does not stand!

JackieLevine
JackieLevine

Good Job US Government a crime is a crime and she should have been treated no different than anyone else so what if they searched her, they search Americans in America and because you are a diplomat that makes you special well I guess our laws in America we special too, she refers to the others as common criminals, they too are innocent until proven guilty bye bye special Diplomat enjoy your status in your own country

singleshat
singleshat

What Lakx said in the previous post is SO CORRECT. US is stupid enough to make friends with a new country every 10 yrs and create an enemy out of it. That's not the quality you see in a leader who tries to police the world but has been failing time and again since Nixon's time. If US leadership is thinking they can bully india just like they did to Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan then they have seriously lost some grey cells in their brains. Entire India knows how to behave like a Mahatma. Once non-cooperation starts, then India won't go back. It took 150 yrs to get rid of Brits because there weren't many means available then and most importantly, unity was a bottleneck. But it would not take more than a year or two to get US on their knees. They better get their own hypocritical act together before accusing someone from a most peaceful country. We need more countries like India in this world to amicably live and let others live. US only sounds law-abiding country but the only way US population listens to it because it is enforced brutally. Yet it is selectively enforced. In the world of US democracy, "all are supposed to be equal" but "some are still MORE equal". It india is perceived that way then US is no different.

lakx
lakx

US says Indian workers in India employed by US are paid according to local/Indian laws. So US workers in US should be paid according to US laws.Absolutely but the maid was an Indian and US wants an Indian employed by India in US to be paid according to US laws. This will be justified if Americans in India are paid similar salaries as that of Indians in similar job in India. But Americans employed by US in India are probably getting around $70,000 to $120,000 p.a while Indian workers employed by US in India are getting around $1000 p.a - $2000 p.a , Many IT professionals start their career at $2000 p.a, Even top companies like IBM, HP, Accenture etc pay thousands of their engineers less than $6000 p.a. So a ratio of US employed US diplomat wage to Indian maid wage in India will be 1:60 to 1:120. Now in the US the diplomat got around $54,000 p.a and the maid got $6000 p.a + free boarding, lodging, transportation, Indian govt paid medical Insurance and many other perks apart from money sent to her family. So the ratio of an India employed Indian Diplomat wage to Indian Maid wage is 1:9 + many perks which is much much better than the 1:60 to 1:120 ratio the US maintains in India and the US talks of slavery, discrimination etc.

kelvin32
kelvin32

India can treat with US diplomat in the same manner . There are a lot of internal laws violated in India by the US diplomats. If all the countries start doing like these and say i don't much care for these obivously that will lead us back to the stone age and there will be on diplomatic relationship at all. 


dwhylton
dwhylton

This could easily be settled if  Devyani Khobragade would just fly back to India never to return but she is married to an US citizen and may want to live here.

stevchipmunk
stevchipmunk

The facts are clear:

1.  Indian diplomatic immunity was violated.  In the civilized world, it has long been the protocol (thousands of years)  that one country cannot behead or otherwise harm the messenger from another country.  Period.  You can expel that diplomat or refuse to deal with him, but you can't torture them or kill them (whether or not you trump up some charge). Not allowed. 

2.  The Indian diplomat was subjected to gratuitous and truly unexpected and unnecessary indignities.


The only question is... why?  It is clear that President Obama and his administration don't think very much about India or Indians, but, even so, why go through this public sexual humiliation of an Indian female diplomat?   Makes no sense.  What is to be gained?  So there must be some hidden agenda.  I guess we just have to wait for the next shoe to drop.  Not a lot India can do.

Yoda00
Yoda00

At this point, relations have been damaged and set back many years. Custodial sexual assault of a diplomat over a non-violent wage dispute that is currently going through Indian courts is extremely brazen behavior, especially when applied to a diplomat of a so-called ally. Also, the widespread acceptance and justification of custodial sexual assault as "standard procedure" speaks volumes about current American militarized police culture, and its acceptance by American society in general. After the recent spate of violent rapes in India, under Indian law, US law enforcement behavior of forcibly stripping a person and shoving their fingers up people's cavities is classified as rape. This reaction is to be expected.

BillDonnelly
BillDonnelly

This is a completly nonsense arrest.  I would hope the police department was checking into something more important and when they couldn't make something stick they did this.

Would we like to employ a department to check on international maid pay and false statements ON APPLICATIONS ?

Latif
Latif

India should check it's  Criminal Records in Kashmir

vivek105
vivek105

Was the maid underpaid?? Or Maid an illegal immigrant helped by self righteous and self serving US Govt. employees and lawyers.

US Prosecution is mistaken on salary of the maid and will be sued for wrongful arrest.

Other things that need to be corrected in Indo-US relationship

Question: Was the Maid's Salary 4500 $ or 1450 $ a month?? Was she underpaid??

NYC minimum wage is US 7.25 $ per hour

http://jobsearch.about.com/b/2013/12/27/new-york-minimum-wage-increases-2014.htm

If the Maid worked 8 hours a day and 25 days a month this works out to

8 hours * 7.25 $ * 25 days = 1450 US $ per month is Salary not 4500 as claimed.

Maid was paid 500 $ in cash

Rest 950 US $ = was paid in KIND.

in terms of:

1. Free stay in Manhattan - electricity, water and heating.

2. Free 3 meals a day

3. Cell phone

4. Travel from India

5. Medical care in the USA

 Monetize these  - it EXCEEDS 1450 $.

IF maid had rented an apartment - travelled to work and paid for food   then she would have been spending her entire 1450 $ salary.

So the maid was compensated well ABOVE the minimum wage in NYC.

So what underpayment are we talking about??

Question: Was the Maid underpaid:??

Ans: Most certainly not.

Compute perks and cash given to her - she was paid well above the minimum wage.

Immigration to USA:

Maid went to US on Indian Govt. "white" passport - issued to Govt. Employees. Condition of visa is that she will work in consulate and not outside. This is a US requirement and not an

Indian requirement in order to prevent visa fraud and illegal immigration.

Maid got greedy, she absconded from her place of work and went to a lawyer. The American lawyer tried to first BLACKMAIL the Indian diplomat asking for 10,000 $ cash and a Blue (ordinary) passport so the maid would get money and be an illegal immigrant in America.

If the Indian diplomat acceded to 10,000 $ payment and issued a Blue passport - she would have been guilty of US Visa fraud as she would have helped Maid become an illegal immigrant in USA.

Correct & Logical thing to do in this case is to send maid back to India; cancel the white Govt. passport.

If the maid wants to come back to the USA she should first return to India and then get an ordinary (blue) passport and apply to US consul in India for a NEW visa stating her actual income and job and reason to visit US. She should not a use Govt. issued white passport with an existing visa give to her by the US embassy which thinks the Maid is going for Indian Govt. work.

The diplomat reported this matter to the US police and to the Indian court. A warrant was issued to the Maid for appearance by an Indian court. The family of the maid was questioned by Indian police to trace the maid in USA to file a missing person complaint as that is a requirement of US law.

Now we know the background - who is guilty of visa fraud? the Maid or the Diplomat??

Question: Is the maid guilty of visa fraud

Answer: Yes - aided by US lawyer she has been able to manipulate the system in the USA.

Question: IS the Indian diplomat guilty of Visa fraud:

Answer: Certainly Not.

She reported the matter to the US and Indian authorities and tried to get the maid back to India to PREVENT the Maid from abusing the Indian Govt. passport and the visa issued by the Embassy of US.

US Action:

Instead of arresting Maid for illegal immigration and black mail - the US police arrested the Indian diplomat without ascertaining the correct facts of the case!!!! They stripped her and cavity searched her. This in India culture is considered a grave insult. As women are given respect. No Indian courts condone such acts to women in India.

The US establishment in New York is guilty of a false arrest.

The US consul in New Delhi is guilty of aiding and abetting in the illegal immigration of the maid and her family in the false plea of under payment of wages.

 - This is laughable as there is NO underpayment of wages in the first place.

Question: Did the US Authorities apply their mind in the arrest.

Answer: Most certainly not. Instead of talking to the Indians and understanding their point of view they went ahead and arrested the diplomat and humiliated the symbol of India in

the USA.

The lady is a diplomat and she is not going to run away.

India needs to sue the New York Police / State Dept. for illegal confinement, torture, negative publicity, aiding and abetting in illegal immigration to the USA; and misinterpretation of the law to harass an Indian diplomat.


BalakrishnanGurumurti
BalakrishnanGurumurti

Indian media may not allow things to rest in peace as it has in electronic media works on great TRP mechanics that is very sure media is not really worried on that lady so governments just to get some mileage with that community in india as india thrives under community politics. But unfortunately, now AAP surfaced, called 'Aam Aadhmi party which is winning all laurels in indian politics. i see UP chief  minister one Akhilesh yadav  has cut down his own security emulating Delhi CM Kejriwal of AAP so too Rajasthan CM Vasundra Raje scindia did cut down her own security.


esterday or so one Jairam Ramesh a Union cabinet minister in Nadiad meet told that all established national and regional parties may become soon a history if  they cannot overtake AAP but according to im being an environment minister predicted a big dip to present political methodology of governance.


Truth today is a catch 22 situation or some kind og Scylla and Charybdis situation within India.


unortunately this poor diplomat lady will get dumped by all sooner than expected, as her own father is involved in Aadharsh scam in that building he has a great flat bestowed by good will of very present Home minister one Sushil kumar shinde who was then CM in Maharashtra then at Bombay now Mumbai, but his present CM prithviraj chavan has dumped her ather in the AAdharsh scam it appears as Rajiv Gandhi a heir apparent o congress throne admonished Chavan as Chavan earlier exonerated all Aadharsh involved by his deft  method to dump justice (retd) Patil Adharsh scam report to get political patronage as also his party ally one NCP whose two ministers had their share of great luck in that building which plot was reserved to Khargil heros widows but usurped by all politicians as also bureaucrats who well supported all ministers who were real beneficiaries in that sea  facing  Adarsh flats at such a prime location besides such location is very costly to western Indian naval command at Mumbai. that naval command also objected to that building though some military and naval officers deftly manipulated documents and other papers.


So all is not bright to Congress-NCP led regime in Mumbai that itsel may cost its ortunes in 2014 elections accprding to some reports at mumbai!


i wonder how Bombay High court is going to keep quiet at all such improprieties committed by state governments successively remains to be seen as is told by sources? 


Great problems get compounded to all politicians in mumbai or maharashtra.


PM Dr.Manmohan singh did not say anything but Rahul Gandhi did not like all kinds of fiasco in maharshtra and else where, yes remain to be seen as per some quarters!             

BalakrishnanGurumurti
BalakrishnanGurumurti

ARTICLE  is well written. Even if President Mr.Obama gives in to India can those indignities  alleged to have been meted out to her can be erased!


So i think India need to think pragmatically is my advice!


True indians may not agree. Ok, how india can erase the so called alleged indignities supposed to have been meted  to her, i wonder what magic want has India !


i wonder GP a diplomat earlier should have advised better to indian government instead og whipping all kinds like India now doing!


Only regret or great regret should be suffice to wind up that great accusations debate any longer. It is interesting very Attorney who is held  responsible is himself an Indian American! 


He could know better than what every one talks about as there is no vendetta between her and him i suppose!


anyway time is the netter healer.


2014 Indian elections  even by error may not allow the present governance to come back to power is anybody's guess! 

Nathaniel
Nathaniel

Talking of double standards!


49 Russian embassy officials scammed in medicaid/medicare scheme. Uncle Tom Preet Bharara warned Russians in advance and Russians got all the officials out of the country (except for 11 diplomats with full immunity).


This time for a cheap petty case like this Uncle Tom made a scene; deliberately wanted to show his masters about his true colors.


How low he can go?

alaskangoldrush
alaskangoldrush

Indians are the ret.ards of the world. Beat the lower caste. Enslave them in servitude. Your skanky non-diplomat got busted. Just deal with the fact that you don't give a rats rear about the lowly women. The British should have spanked you harder than they did.

You can piss and moan all you want. You're going to be shown for the stupid people you are. This maid WILL get justice. Nothing you can do about it. Your precious female non-diplomat will be serving the guards behind bars. Don't worry. She'll come to see how the Americans are superior. She'll be licking our boots while eating bacon and burgers the whole time. Your dumb country won't be able to do a thing about it. If you keep crying, we may just bust up your country and force a different way of life on you. You know it... .the whole world knows it. We're taking you to the shed and spanking your backwater butts on this.. .. Lololol The.. Ha ha ha haaaaaa . Deal

roulette
roulette

Browsing through some of the comments below it becomes clear the disconnect between two groups why this is such a polarizing issue. 

One the one hand you have some people feeling Justice is supreme and any person wronged should get justice, they also feel strongly that its no ones business to interfere in this regard. 

On the other hand you have people, mostly of Indian background, that feel disrespected and betrayed that their ally would treat them so shabbily. This group also mostly happens to believe Devyani *alone* is the victim here.

Under normal circumstances two nations would resolve such issues behind closed doors and it would never even see light, simply because the nationalists on both sides would drum it up unnecessarily and emotions would run high. In short its a lose-lose game, just as it is now. 

The fact that US has acted the way it did, should get India thinking about this relation seriously. Any relation is based on give-take, if it genuinely feels "let down", it needs to reconsider what it has to offer and make sure what's at "stake" is sufficient leverage to keep the US interested in maintaining the relation. If not, it is what it is - set your expectations lower for this relation. Its obvious the US does not feel the same way towards India. 

Its good to observe international relations between, US-Israel, UK-US, US-France - its not all hunky dory between these nations, but you don't see citizens of these countries debating and crying foul in a Time forum, for instance. I feel India needs to mature further when it comes to international relations. 

bhayzone
bhayzone

@AbrahamYeshuratnam  Your name is a combination of Jewish and Indian, but your comment sounds sneakishly Pakistani.

firdauskoolvirgo
firdauskoolvirgo

@JackieLevine  absolutely agreeing with u---I don't know why Indian Govt are taking so much interest in it...just b coz she is a Diplomat---- doesn't mean she has an authority to do anything wrong she wants and be  treated specially...Everyone in the first world is treated equally doesn't matter where u come from, what your status is or even if u r a citizen by birth u did something wrong u pay for it---ignorant Indian Govt are forgetting that--because by nature they treat everyone differently as they wish and want........... no matter what there crime was---corrupted rules and there corrupted policy...Diplomatic Immunity---for what Indian government shouldn't be even interfering in the first place unless some false accusation was made...if the same thing was done by an ordinary Indian...I bet they wont even poke there nose

peace111111
peace111111

@lakx what the us says and India says is not a matter , the fact is the matter.

zskyclipper
zskyclipper

@BillDonnelly 


1.  International maid pay?  You do bring in a 'new concept'!  Great.

2.  Police dept was checking into something more important ...... ?  Are we to only look out for planes flying into buildings and ignore the little crimes that people commit?  What are you really saying?

3.  ... false statement ON APPLICATIONS ........ ?  You don't seem to have an issue with that?


You surprise at multiple levels!


zskyclipper
zskyclipper

@Latif What has Kashmir to do with this?  I don't see a connection.

zskyclipper
zskyclipper

@vivek105 

1.  Since 2011, per US Law, the employer can not deduct - in calculating the wage of the domestic help - boarding, lodging, or food.


2.  Blackmail?  Show your proof that the diplo' filed a police report for blackmail and that the police did not act on that report.


3.  Maid got greedy. Yes, agreed.  So, what was wrong here?  If the salary that the maid was promised, was given to her, she might not have 'got greedy'.


4.  The Indian diplo is not guilty of Visa fraud?  Did you not read the story - an Application was filed that wrongly declared the salary being paid to the maid!


5.  The maid's having a white passport has no bearing on her salary.  A passport is only a Travel Document.  If the Indian Govt. wanted, they could have employed that maid and sent it as the diplo's personal household servant.  They did not do so.  Ask them why.  And the diplo acted outside her Office when she filed for the maid's visa (mis-declared on the visa) and by paying her from her own pocket, she submitted that person and herself to US Law.


Hope you can understand such simple concepts.

AndyMills
AndyMills

This entire incident makes India look like a third rate banana republic. The woman is not a diplomat but a consular official, (the rabidly xenophobic Indian press consistently describing her as a "senior diplomat" is an out right lie) suddenly saying that she was the former, two weeks after her arrest is risible. And then to compound India's stupidity they act like a spoilt toddler in a rage, cancelling security outside of the US embassy and removing long established diplomatic prvilidges.


I know its hard for rich Indians to understand this, but in most of the world you cannot sumple bride and bully your way out of criminal charges. The US is not India and the quicker Indian recognises this and starts to behave properly again the better for all concerned.


Finally, let us not forget that this is the third time in as many years that Indian foreign affairs staff employed in the US have been accused of committing such offences.

roulette
roulette

@alaskangoldrush  

Hey hill billy, its unfortunately not entirely your fault that your education system has let you down. 

Its easy to sit behind computer screens and type out non-sense. Why don't you try having this conversation with your Doctor, local grocer, IT supplier, h/motel owner? You are most likely to find Indians in different capacities at these establishments. If you can't or won't, then what you say here is meaningless because you don't have to guts to speak what you believe. 

Wait - you most probably don't live in mainland US, now I get your ignorance. BTW, thanks to Katie and Charles the whole world got to see your governor's IQ. We all know where you belong in the totem pole.


Christine_NYC
Christine_NYC

@rouletteEveryone arguing on both sides are Indians. The prosecutor, victim and the accused are all Indians. Naturally Indians in US support the prosecutor, Indians in India are obsessed with "strip-search" & "cavity-search" are on the other side.

zskyclipper
zskyclipper

@SamuelPJ There is no Indian law that requires a foreign Embassy to pay its hired staff the wages equivalent to that country's wage-scale.  As long as an Indian has a JOB, that is all the Indian Govt. has ever considered!  What about all the MIGRANT POPULATION in the Middle East where hundreds of thousands of Indians are doing low-paid jobs - do you expect them to be paid an Indian scale?  Or are you going to be pushing for the so called 'call - center' jobs to be paid US Salaries.  Please clear that in your own head before you make it an issue!

Christine_NYC
Christine_NYC

@SamuelPJFine, if US consulate officials broke any laws, arrest them and file criminal case against them.

paulwhite123
paulwhite123

@AndyMills Why do you need security if you aren't doing anything wrong and are being loved by everyone in the world with your good laws and your good work of protecting the hard working poor maids around the world? Did you ever got out of your couch after watching CNN to learn more about the feelings the rest of the world has about you? Wake-up and go to school to learn a little more before talking about others and please clean-up your home before talking about other countries. Have you seen a Woman President in USA, India had a lady PM for a long time? This indicates how much you respect ladies and let us not talk about your Laws because that will simply open a can of warms.  

mkfaruk
mkfaruk

@AndyMills  to whom we believe? you or the news? are you a truthful man?

zskyclipper
zskyclipper

@Christine_NYC @roulette Nonsense!  The NYC Prosecutor is not an Indian today.  Of Indian descent, yes, but not an "Indian".  Check your facts, or rather, check which country you really belong to.  There are no "Indians in US", they are Americans.  The only "Indians in US" could be the ones on some sort of a visit/work visa.  Again, check who you think you yourself are!

Nathaniel
Nathaniel

@Christine_NYC@rouletteI dont support the prosecutor - for vast majority of Indians around the world, he is a low scum "Uncle Tom"

Voltaire
Voltaire

@Christine_NYC@SamuelPJ

If they do it I bet we will be squirming. I would guess we might have already threatened them. If might is right then we certainly will win, at least in short run. But we will set a precedent.

zskyclipper
zskyclipper

@Nathaniel Uncle Tom?  He is himself quite powerful!  He is just doing his job.  And, actually, it is his departments who are doing their job.  He is 'not able' to turn the US into another banana republic like India where bureaucrats mess up the society completely.  It is your mind-set that makes you think Preet Bharara is an Uncle Tom.

zskyclipper
zskyclipper

@Voltaire @Christine_NYC @SamuelPJ   I don't see why Americans would be worried of being arrested.  If they break the law, they should be treated the same way that the Indian Diplomat has been treated.  Remember she committed two FELONIES.  If Americans in India were doing that, they stand to take the consequences.  BUT the huge factor to be considered prior to that is the existing law of that country.  Is it well defined and is it followed?  Is it followed by those in India, in the political circles?  Need that brought out first.