Meet the Nazi Hunter: Israel’s Efraim Zuroff Helps German Court Case

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Efraim Zuroff stands beside a poster showing Nazi war crimes as he attends a protest against the annual procession commemorating Latvian Waffen SS unit, also known as the Legionnaires, in Riga, on March 16, 2012.

Efraim Zuroff never aspired to become the world’s most prominent Nazi hunter. Growing up in Brooklyn in the 1960s, his dream was to be the first Orthodox Jew to play basketball in the NBA. That would have been a career, he says, packed with a lot more adrenaline than the one that fell into his lap. Around 1980, when he first began through a series of coincidences — “right place,” he says, “right time” — to track down Nazi war criminals for the Simon Wiesenthal Center, a Jewish advocacy group based in Los Angeles, he quickly realized that the work is not nearly as exciting as the title of “Nazi hunter” makes it seem.

“People ask me what my job is like,” he says by phone from his book-cluttered office in Jerusalem, inflecting his vowels with a thick Brooklyn drawl. “And I say I’m one-third detective, one-third historian and one-third political lobbyist.” The lobbying aspect, over the years, has become the most important part of his work, as his more immediate adversaries these days are not so much the aging perpetrators of Nazi war crimes, but the bureaucrats and politicians who are dragging their feet in the pursuit of justice.

An unusually exciting moment for his campaign came on Wednesday, Jan. 8, even though the news he received that afternoon was mixed. In the German city of Cologne, a court filed charges that day against an 88-year-old former member of the Nazi SS in connection with a massacre that wiped out an entire French village in 1944. That was the good news for Zuroff. The bad news was that another German court, in the city of Hagen, dropped all charges that same day against a 92-year-old former Nazi. The potential witnesses in the Hagen case had all passed away, so the court did not have enough evidence to proceed with that trial for murder.

Still, the Cologne case was a major victory for Zuroff. At least in part, it seems to have resulted from one of his more recent — and more desperate — initiatives, part of what he calls the Operation Last Chance campaign. Launched in July, this campaign’s latest effort arranged for about 2,000 large posters to be plastered around three German cities — Berlin, Hamburg and Cologne — showing an eerie photograph of railroad tracks leading to the Auschwitz concentration camp. Over the photo, the caption reads in German, “Late, but not too late,” and offers a reward of 25,000 euros ($34,000) for information leading to the capture of Nazi war criminals who remain at large.

In the months that followed, Zuroff says, 285 people called the hotline listed on those posters, yielding a total of 111 suspects. Along with a colleague in Germany, Zuroff then conducted the meticulous work of trying to find evidence against these suspects in government archives and other open sources. The search yielded what Zuroff and his colleagues felt were four cases worthy of investigation, all of which they passed along to German prosecutors.

One involved a female guard from Auschwitz, another was a male guard at the Nazi death camp of Dachau, and a third was either a potential witness or a perpetrator of the massacre in the French village of Oradour-sur-Glane in 1944. (The fourth tip Zuroff passed to German authorities came from an artisan who had been hired to work inside a home filled with guns and Nazi memorabilia; even if the owner of the home was not a Nazi war criminal, Zuroff felt the arsenal was at least worth looking into.)

Because of a recent legal precedent, Zuroff felt that the tips involving former guards at concentration camps were particularly promising. In 2011, a German court convicted John Demjanjuk, a retired Ukrainian-American autoworker, of alleged war crimes. Based on the fact that Demjanjuk had worked during the Holocaust as a guard at the death camp near Sobibor, in Nazi-occupied Poland, the court found that he was an accessory to the murder of nearly 30,000 Jews at that camp. Before his appeals process ran its course, Demjanjuk died in prison, but his conviction “very substantially changed the legal landscape,” Zuroff says. “It showed that if you worked as a guard at a death camp, you’re automatically an accessory to murder.”

But the tip that German authorities seem to have wound up using from Operation Last Chance did not involve the former guards Zuroff had tracked down. The more useful tip appears to have been the one about the massacre at Oradour-sur-Glane. On June 10, 1944, Nazi troops from the Waffen-SS company slaughtered nearly all the residents of that village — more than 600 men, women and children. On Wednesday, the court in Cologne charged one of the alleged perpetrators (whose name is being withheld because of German privacy laws) with 25 counts of murder and hundreds of counts of accessory to murder.

The suspect’s lawyer, Rainer Pohlen, told the New York Times that the work of Zuroff and his colleagues at the Simon Wiesenthal Center “certainly had an effect” on that case being brought to trial. “I do believe that the German legal system looked the other way for decades after World War II. Much was swept under the rug,” Pohlen said. (He did not respond to TIME’s requests for further comment.)

Zuroff took that as a vindication of his efforts. Usually, he says, his interactions with German prosecutors “are mostly a one-way conversation.” He passes along tips and information, but the authorities do not tell him whether they are using any of them in any of their investigations. “Sometimes I think they wish we would go away,” he says. “They are a bureaucracy. They move slowly. And we are trying to expedite the process as much as possible.”

The main hurdle to his cooperation with German authorities, Zuroff says, is the so-called Datenschutz, or data-protection laws, which forbid government agencies from disseminating any personal information about German citizens, including the names of alleged Nazi war criminals. Ironically, those laws grew out of the German desire never to repeat the country’s totalitarian past, when the private information of citizens was used to target them for persecution. “But those laws are a double-edged sword,” says Zuroff. By keeping the lists of German war veterans out of the hands of private investigators like Zuroff, “these laws are helping Nazi war criminals hide,” he says.

The other challenge he faces is, of course, the passage of time. Even the youngest Nazi soldiers would now be well into their 80s, and according to Zuroff’s research, about 98% of them are already dead. If only he could access the German government’s lists of veterans who are still receiving state pensions, he would at least be able to tell which potential war criminals are still alive. “But God forbid!” he says. “The Datenschutz! The whole business of data protection is one of the holy concepts of the Federal Republic.”

So for now he is left to rely on other tactics in his search. In November, the Wiesenthal Center expanded its poster campaign to other German cities, including Munich, Dresden and Leipzig. But there were far fewer calls to the hotline that time around. Perhaps this was because everyone who wanted to come forward had already seen the posters and called, Zuroff says, or perhaps there are simply too few Nazis left to inform against. Once in a while, it crosses his mind that eventually he will have to call off his search, because all of his targets will have escaped justice, at least in this world. “But I would never announce that publicly,” he says with a laugh. “I would never want to bring joy to the heart of any Nazis by telling them, ‘Hey, guys, you’re off the hook.’” And so the hunt goes on.

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scassitti@alice.it
scassitti@alice.it

Along with Nazi hunting the Jewish community has the moral duty towards the victims of Nazism to end the complacent attitude of its representatives, especially the Italian ones, towards the catholic church, and pretend from the Catholic church and pope Francis an officially apology for the connivance of the church with the Nazi criminals when it set up the “rat line” to help these criminal avoid prosecution by helping them to escape abroad with false documents. As a non Jewish person I could not have any sympathy for the Jewish cause until this basic step has been made.  

Let’s refresh some facts: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CF41mWNC8bc

cmih
cmih

So far, the comments on this article are depressing.  Not one supports the idea of bringing former Nazis to justice.  Indeed, most of the comments are anti-Semitic  Obviously most of the people who cared about bringing Nazis to justice are now dead.  I, for one, am glad to know there are still people pursuing justice for those killed by Nazis.

atsjustice
atsjustice

He is not comparable to Simon Weisenthal who was a man of honor. This guy creates witch hunts to legitimize his existence. He is not a hero or worthy of publicity. Efi wants blood plain and simple, even of an innocent.

Read www.Tscherim Soobzokov.com

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mrxexon
mrxexon

I look forward to the day where Time interviews a top zionist hunter. 

Because the Arabs are going to hunt them down once they've been toppled. And for the very same reasons.



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ss79firebird
ss79firebird

The Hypocrisy and Double standard from Holocaust exploiting "Professionals" like Zuroff is mindboggling and disgusting. Here are a few fact based examples: Where was Zuroff, when The Polish-Jewish Communist Butcher Commandant of the ZGODA Concentration Camp Salomon Morel escaped to and was protected in Israel and Poland's request for deportation for justice was denied by Israel numerous times??!! Morel was a Sadistic killer, even killed children personally at Zgoda, just horrific acts of torment. Where was Zuroff, when the Soviet Jewish Mastermind of the HOLODOMOR, (Ukrainian Holocaust in the early 1930's) Lazar Kaganovich escaped justice, and lived a life in comfort til his death in 1991. The Holodomor claimed 10 million deaths. Where was Zuroff , when Poland tried to serve justice to jewish Stalinist Judge Helena Brus, one of the Tyrants of the Polish Show Trials of the 1950's?? And did Zuroff condemn fellow Nazi Hunters Serge and Beate Klarsfeld, after they where exposed as being Agents of and funded by the STASI, the murderous East-German Secret Police. Off course not.  

tHeZipIMT
tHeZipIMT

Many of these supposed criminals were ordinary citizens living in the wrong place at the wrong time. The never ending zeallous pursuit against innocent people by these so-called hunters is surpassed only by their monetary greed.

benzvi
benzvi

can some one tell WHEN in the history of mankind, there was a palestinian kingdom? sultan? state?

can some one tell WHERE in the world, ever, there was a palestinian kingdom? sultan? state?

smartermind
smartermind

More Zionist propaganda. The Nazi's are in Israel persecuting Palestinians, stealing their land and lives.

arvay
arvay

First of all, let me make something clear. As an atheist, one of my regrets is that all the dead Nazis cannot go to to the Hell that many religions promise. Things are left for us in this, the only world we know of, to settle.


That said, it will be a major step forward when the last real Nazis and the last Holocaust survivors pass away, because the dynamic between these two dwindling groups is a major engine of the crazed government of Israel --which, rather than a "refuge" for the world's Jews -- is perhaps the least safest place in the world for Jews. Surrounded by 100 million people who would be happy to see them dead. Any realistic moves to accommodation can be effectively and hysterically defined as "Holocaust borders." 


The result: a never-ending cycle of resentment and hate. 


Israel, like the US, is poised for a large demographic change. 


I suspect -- and hope -- that a new generation of Israeli Jews will realize that their nation needs to reconcile with its neighbors, abandon"Greater Israel" delusions and -- free from the Holocaust PSTD that now dominates the national psyche -- move forward.

One state for both peoples, and -- sorry, racially motivated Zionist fanatics -- intermarriage. 



Sibir_Russia
Sibir_Russia

@cmih  

Hank P. Albarelli Jr.
Miami (United States)

"Through Operation Paperclip, the U.S. organized a monumental transfer of black technology by actively recruiting Nazi criminals for employment by U.S. intelligence. Author H. P. Albarelli excavates the part that was missing from the recently-outed official report: the U.S. pointedly chose fervent Nazi scientists with experience in chemical, biological and radioactive warfare to become the architects of the CIA’s darkest military experiments with human guinea pigs, reminiscent of Nazi Germany."

http://www.voltairenet.org/CIA-s-Denial-of-Protecting-Nazis

In the second part of his investigation, Hank Albarelli peels off another layer of the ongoing Operation Paperclip cover up and unveils one of its darker legacies. Working with Paperclip Nazi scientists and building on the results of their often deadly research, the CIA tested LSD psychoactive drugs on almost 7,000 unwitting U.S. citizens over a 20-year period. Those LSD experiments, and Paperclip itself, were among the first manifestations of what became a guiding principle of the Cold War right to the present day, that the ends justify the means.

http://www.voltairenet.org/CIA-Denial-of-Coddling-Nazis-Far

 

Sibir_Russia
Sibir_Russia

@cmih  

Robert S. Rodvik. Voltaire Network.

«Hundreds if not thousands of old Nazis found new life working for the US, Britain, and Canada as the Cold War was cranked up and now the mass murderers were brought into policy making for the same Lords of the Manor who had supported Hitler to begin with. And, with the same old Nazis back in charge, every foul means was employed against the Soviets to prevent any challenge of global capital’s right to dictate the terms of enslavement.»

http://www.voltairenet.org/NATO-s-Nazi-Beginnings-How-the

 

ricardo_lion
ricardo_lion

@mrxexon The Muslim Arab bloody dictatorships and autocratic kingdoms (22, including one in Palestine, Jordan) + jihadi groups supported by Iran have been attacking the Jewish (the religion of Jesus), democratic and civilized (no civil war, hanging of gays, women stoning, "honour" killing of girls, cannibalism - as seen in Syria recently - etc.) country (0,000000000000000000000....1% of the ME, 20% of Palestine - Jewish name, BTW) country for decades.

arvay
arvay

@mrxexon  


I'm watching the Israelis mourn Sharon, and noting their celebration of the guy who managed the israeli version of Oradour


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre


Later in the afternoon, a meeting was held between the Israeli Chief of Staff and the Phalangist staff. On Friday morning, the Israelis surrounding Sabra and Shatila ordered the Phalange to halt their operation, concerned about reports of a massacre.

On 17 September, while Sabra and Shatila still were sealed off, a few independent observers managed to enter. Among them were a Norwegian journalist and diplomat Gunnar Flakstad, who observed Phalangists during their cleanup operations, removing dead bodies from destroyed houses in the Shatila camp.[33]

Many of the bodies found had been severely mutilated. Many boys had been castrated, some were scalped, and some had the Christian cross carved into their bodies.

Janet Lee Stevens, an American journalist, later wrote to her husband, Dr. Franklin Lamb, "I saw dead women in their houses with their skirts up to their waists and their legs spread apart; dozens of young men shot after being lined up against an alley wall; children with their throats slit, a pregnant woman with her stomach chopped open, her eyes still wide open, her blackened face silently screaming in horror; countless babies and toddlers who had been stabbed or ripped apart and who had been thrown into garbage piles."


Of course, the Nazis used their own SS criminals for their massacre:  Sharon used the Lebanese goyim. 


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-israel-sharon-shatila-20140111,0,6390400.story


History supplies its own ironies: the Lebanese militia doing the killing was call Phalange -- a neat echo of the fascist forces that took over Spain. 


To the inevitable screeches about massacres by others, let me say up-front that all of these inhuman acts are worthy of condemnation. I'm not talking about national liberation actions taken against legitimate targets, but rather attacks that cross the line into pointless acts of barbarity. People will draw that line in different places. I for one will include people like Curtis LeMay for the firebombing of the civilian Japanese population, as an example.


My point here is to say that the self-appointed judgmental role of Israel deserves mockery as long as they celebrate their own SS-like figures. A lot of them were very talented and dedicated men also, but history has made a very specific judgement about them. 


Sibir_Russia
Sibir_Russia

@ss79firebird

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Sibir_Russia
Sibir_Russia

@ss79firebird  

The myth about the Holodomor as a purposeful destruction of the Ukrainian people is a hoax former Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko. In fact, the Tragedy of famine in this difficult timein the USSR in 30-ies not only in Ukraine, but and Volga region, Bashkiria, in the part of Kazakhstan, Ural and Western Siberia. Strong bad harvest of 1932 that gave rise to the famine was caused by such factors as exclusively the poor organization of the sowing campaign, an unusually wide spread of pests and plant diseases, lack of wheat associated with drought of 1931, rain during the planting and harvest, drought in the process of maturing of bread, lack of extension culture of sowing and use of mechanical devices.

According to the calculations, for a book of memory of Ukraine, managed to collect about 900 thousand dead. Inflated figures for deaths are a hoax.  

jerry48
jerry48

@ss79firebird Serge and Beate Klarsfeld being Agents of the STASI !!! did you learn that at your local white supremacist evening class ???

OsmanKoruturk
OsmanKoruturk

@ss79firebird Nazi hunters are usually jew cowards who fight nazis after they've already been defeated


big deal

ricardo_lion
ricardo_lion

@smartermind   In the 20% of Palestine (Jewish / Greek name) called Israel, 1,5 million Arabs live in peace and with full rights, while the rest of Palestine, the autocratic Muslim Arab kingdom of Jordan, the Gaza ruled by a jihadi group and the most of Judea and Samaria given to the corrupt PLO (PA today) is judenrein, as are those judenrein Muslim Arab bloody dictatorships and medieval kingdoms, from where 800,000 Jews were kicked out after the 1950s, but are not living in refugee camps anymore or blowing themselves up, of course.

peggsooch
peggsooch

@arvayi cant believe what daft statements you have come out with. wow you really display your ignorance here big time.  in the nazi era jews were practically eradicated because they had no land and no form of defence and nowhere to escape to.  and you have the bloody cheek to say israel is the most dangerous place of jews? you are a dumbass.

ricardo_lion
ricardo_lion

@arvay   Israel did not declare war on those Muslim Arab bloody dictatorships, medieval kingdoms or jihadi groups, but the other way around.  "Greater Israel"?  Ever compared the size of Israel to the 22 Arab countries?  Israel is a very samll country that keeps shrinking.  Stupid politicians returned the Sinai Peninsula, nearly three times bigger than Israel itself and  conquered in a defensive war from Egypt, to a Muslim Arab bloody dictator.  Israel gave 80% of Judea and Samaria to Egyptian Muslim Arab terrorist Arafat.  That region was never part of any country called "Palestine" and was re-conquered from Jordan in a defensive war.  Israel gave Gaza (also never part of a country called "Palestine" and conquered from Egypt in a defensive war) to the local Arabs.

mrxexon
mrxexon

@ricardo_lion@mrxexon 

If you're expecting a rise out of me because this somehow concerns Jesus, think again, hasbara.

I have no religion. In fact, I'm quite immune to religious argument for that same reason.


So when I tell you Israel is run by a bunch of white Jewish nazis, you should listen.



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ricardo_lion
ricardo_lion

@arvay   Sabra and Shatila again...  Arabs killed by Arabs.  Arabs were killing Arabs when Israel invaded Lebanon (to halt the PLO rockets) and Arabs continued to kill Arabs after the IDF left Lebanon (a country that declared war on Israel and started every conflict.  Arabs kill each other and minorities all over the judenrein (from where all Jews were kicked out) Arab world, Arabs killed 300,000 black Christians in Darfur, Arabs even kill their own daughters and sisters for "honour".

arvay
arvay

@peggsooch @arvay  


News flash: the Nazi era and now are two different times. Nazi Germany was erased decades ago, Israel is now a target from both internal and external threats,

Name another place on earth where Jews are the subject of rocket attacks. Here. read something


http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/idf-commander-warns-tel-aviv-will-be-target-in-next-war-1.336490


http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/idf-intelligence-chief-israel-s-next-war-will-see-heavy-casualties-1.322484


http://www.timesofisrael.com/spotlight/israel-faces-real-threats-today/


Don't worry, be happy!


arvay
arvay

@ricardo_lion @arvay  


Thank you for repeating every single cliché in the hasbara handbook, now for some reality.


Israel was inserted into a region that did not want it, by powers some of whom had recently been colonizing occupiers. 


Newsflash: their motivations were not humanitarian: the westerners wanted people that considered potentially dangerous -- dispossessed Jews -- out of Europe -- and the USSR hoped these "radicals" would favor its once Israel was established. Truman was responding to a politically powerful claque.


Real humanitarians would have relocated these refugees in the US, where they would be making a major contribution.


The result has been predictable -- decades of war and conflict. 


More reality: the Cold War is over. Israel served as an American pawn in that struggle, that role is ended.

The US no longer needs Mideast oil. America is also not going to launch any more regional wars: Netanyahu can threaten and jump up and down forever -- it isn't happening. There will be an arrangement with Iran. Russia seems to want to play a role in the region: good luck, Vladimir, knock yourself out. 


Many Israeli youth, particularly the most talented -- are leaving for places like Los Angeles where rocket attacks are vanishingly rare. Or moving to Europe. Israel can become a nation of old, right-wing fanatics and fast-breeding Haredi -- a path to war, disorder and endless fear -- or sensible people there can find a way to live peacefully -- which will involve a single democratic state for everyone. 



smartermind
smartermind

@ricardo_lion @arvay More drivel from "Ricardo Lion" who knows absolutely nothing about Zionist history and the true power of Israel.

arvay
arvay

@ricardo_lion @arvay 


Thank you for copying and pasting page 23 from your hasbara handbook. And if Jews murdered other Jews, that would be an excuse for massacring Jews? Hey, looking at the clock, it's getting late in Israel, time for beddie-bye, hasbara.



ricardo_lion
ricardo_lion

@arvay @peggsooch   Yes, Jews are subject to rocket attacks in Israel (and your point is?), fired by Muslim terrorist groups and Jews are subject to Muslim terrorist attacks elswhere.  Your point?  More Muslims (and Christians, Buddhists, etc.) are subject to Muslim terrorist attacks than Jews.

arvay
arvay

@ricardo_lion @arvay 


OK. this is all tiresome misdirection on your part. I'm discussing the fat that Israel, based on realty, has not future as currently constituted, you're arm-waving. You are wasting everyone's time with your off-point hasbara cut-and-paste.

ricardo_lion
ricardo_lion

@arvay @ricardo_lion   Haha...  You are funny.  Comparing Israel, the Jewish (the religion of Jesus), democratic and civilized (no civil war, hanging of gays, women stoning, "honour" killing of girls and even cannibalism, as in Syria recently, etc.) with those Muslim Arab bloody dictatorships, medieval kingdoms, the Iran ruled by medieval Muslim clerics....   Very funny.

arvay
arvay

@ricardo_lion @arvay  


nonsense


http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/israeli-arabs-have-never-been-equal-before-the-law-1.407710


I don't want to support any country that's based on a combination of nationalism and religion. But the only such country my country supports (for now) is Israel. I think all "Islamic" states are as idiotic and backward as Israel. 


we all know that the British state religion is meaningless, while the Israeli Jewish state demand is active, and enforced. 

ricardo_lion
ricardo_lion

@arvay @ricardo_lion   Arabs in Israel have full rights and live in peace.  Arab soldiers, Arab judges, Arabs in every university, etc.  Do you have a problem with the UK, for exempla, being a Christian country?  There is a cross on the English flag, the queen is the head of the local Christian Church, etc.  Do you have a problem with 57 countries, most of them "judenrein" (free of Jews) calling themselves "Islamic"?  

arvay
arvay

@ricardo_lion @arvay 


All this legalistic babble is off-point. 


Yes, you are just like the Jim Crow whites, who said that blacks in America lived SO much better than blacks in Africa. Palestinians in Israel live very much like blacks in Jim Crow America.  Their "rights" are on paper.

If you're Jewish, think if the US declared itself a "Christian nation" as Israel asserts itself a "Jewish nation" and then tell me you'd feel equal here.

ricardo_lion
ricardo_lion

@arvay @ricardo_lion   There are not "Palestinian Arabs" in Israel, but Israeli Arabs, living in peace and with full rights, unlike the Arabs and minorities in the judenrein (free of Jews) Arab world.  Those Arabs living in the 20% of Judea and Samaria, the 0,00..1% of Palestine, the 0,000000000000000...1% of the ME, 0,000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000....1% of the world under Israel`s control (disputed land) are Jordanians, that territory was reconquered in a defensive war against Jordan and no one has rights in that judenrein Muslim Arab autocratic kingdom anyway.

arvay
arvay

@ricardo_lion @arvay  


Facts:


http://www.hybridstates.com/2011/05/arabs-live-better-in-israel-than-anywhere-else-except-not-really/


Crushing your core argument:


 One does not decide that Jim Crow segregation in the US was an ethically appealing system of discrimination by comparing socio-economic outcomes of African-Americans to Nigerians or Liberians.  If Jews lived in ghettos in two different countries, but one country’s ghettos were more sanitary and supported a higher standard of living than in another country, conditions in the latter do not justify conditions in the former.  The appropriate comparison group must be the other citizens of that country.  Palestinian Arabs should not be compared with Arabs in other countries; they should be compared to the dominant ethnic group in the country that demonstrates what privilege and resources can do for that specific population.  This is not a difficult thing to grasp.



ricardo_lion
ricardo_lion

@arvay @ricardo_lion ".... wich wil involve a single democratic sate for everyone".  Exactly what Israel (0,00000000000000....1% of the ME, 20% of Palestine) is at the moment.

Those 22 Muslim Arab countries (including one in Palestine, Jordan):  All autocratic kingdoms or bloody dictatorships.  Only in Israel Arabs have rights, while the Arab world is "judenrein".