India Makes Gun for Women as Defense Against Rape

Lightweight evolver intended for self-defense amid rising sexual violence against women

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An Indian gun manufacturer has made its first gun intended to help women defend themselves against sexual violence.

The lightweight titanium alloy revolver is designed to fit easily in a handbag and was named in tribute to Nirbhaya, the pseudonym of a 23-year-old victim of a 2012 brutal gang rape that took place on a bus, reports the Times of India.

The gun was released on Jan. 6, and has received 20 orders. It is priced at 122,360 rupees, or around $2,000. Reports of sexual assault rose 6.4% in 2012 from the previous year, but some incidences are due to increased reporting, police say.

[Times of India]

49 comments
MikeButler
MikeButler

What's a "evolver"? Is that something like a revolver? In any case, at $2K, not very many women in India will be able to afford it.

j-lee-d
j-lee-d

Eek, this sounds like a bad thing. I mean, I understand the very strong need to deter these men from these actions... but as we've seen in the new lately, it seems like these attacks often happen in groups.

I hope the manufacturers take this into consideration and have created something that doesn't jam and reloads easily, and also trains these poor women to use it properly. Otherwise, we may not only see an increase in rape victims, but in rape victim deaths as well.

shesetsail
shesetsail

@riggedveda Oh dear. India's rapists are a breed apart are they? They are all from far flung homes, off their heads on cheap liquor with no job and no contact with women, and therefore they objectify them to the extent that they can savagely rape them.  Indian rapists are never rich, never middle class, never sober, never educated and never married. I presume marital rape is unknown in India too. The good news is that Special Indian Rapists can be cured by wholesome activities. In that terrible moment when a Special Indian Rapist finds himself edging towards that girl walking by herself down a dark street, all he really needs is someone to hand him a kite and take him to a high hill where the wind blows and he can learn about nice things to do with his hands.

Gad.

 

I'm from Blighty. If rape numbers relied on people living far from home with no job and cheap booze, I wouldn't be able to walk from my house to the bus stop. I don't believe that Indian rapists have a different motivation than that of rapists from across the globe. Culturally there may be other factors that shape Indian attitudes towards rape; certainly the notion that rape is about badly contained and barely literate sexual frustration does not help. I don't know much about the sub continent - nearest I've been is the border with Nepal, where I was warned against travelling alone in India - but I know quite a bit about sexual assault and its ilk, and I assure you, sitting in my armchair has nothing to do with that knowledge. 

So let's trade: I'll learn more about India, and you learn more about rape. And then let's talk about 'ground realities.'





pa0pkg
pa0pkg

This is a great idea, except that the price makes no sense.  It should be easy to make this product for $100, at which point it would be very effective.

There is clear scientific proof that making weapons available to honest people deters crime, and in particular it is very effective at deterring rape.  This is simply not debatable.

I'm also reminded of this quote:

"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." -- Mohandas K. Gandhi, An Autobiography, p. 446

riggedveda
riggedveda

The target demographic that can afford a $2000 revolver is better served with a smartphone app that is quick to invoke and send a silent alarm with GPS data to both the police and a pre-selected list of friends and relatives. Several such apps already exist, and there are 51m smartphones users in India. Carrying a revolver is just asking for trouble.


A long-term solution is a combination of sex education (both to women and men), basic self-defense education for all girls as part of national curricula (though it wont help in gang situations), a change in the way media portray love (the typical teenage romantic movie, especially those aimed at small town and rural youth, involves boys harassing girls until they start reciprocating) and more constructive 'release' opportunities, such as kite flying competitions or part-time employment opportunities. Low-income unmarried men are just too idle, and that can never be good.

SyyedMuhammadHussain
SyyedMuhammadHussain

Its better to take a knife than that costly gun and prevention is better than cure, the protection duty is of the police officers and India should strengthen its police force.   

raji.alrazi
raji.alrazi

$2000 or even way less is the yearly income for most of those who are abused and murdered in India. It is a rude joke.

vaishnavjagdip
vaishnavjagdip

People of India are against 'Gun culture' since can be misused.India can not afford such costly light weigh but heavy priced Gun. Women should know how to use the gun, so looking to all these factor this gun for women shall not become success


What is requested, police monitoring, surveillance be made effective,  women also have to take care of their safety, 

do not ask lift from unknown person, do not drink& dance in parties, do not keep blind faith in male partner.


Central /state govt are taking steps after pubic representations  like installing GPs system in public transport, women shall keep mobile which just by pressing one button shall give indications to near ones about victim's location ,


Laws relating to rape cases have become stricter , juvenile age shal be soon reduced.

rpearlston
rpearlston

At that price, it's well over the price that can be afforded by the vast majority of women in India.  


Besides, the problem has nothing to do with anything other than the piss-poor attitude of too many men everywhere.  WIth that in mind, arming women only serves to make the world that much more dangerous for women.

pelikano
pelikano

1,22,---. Women who face such situations will not have so much money!! The ones who can afford this will have personal body guards.

aztecian
aztecian

this is stupid.  now they'll have out of control vigilantes running the country.  crazy!

riggedveda
riggedveda

@pa0pkg You cannot control distribution in India. A gun that is affordable and readily available to women is a gun that is affordable and readily available to everyone else, including potential rapists. A quote from a different era taken out of context is not going to change that.

shesetsail
shesetsail

@riggedvedaWhere to begin with your post? I am actually aghast.


So a woman who carries a gun is 'asking for trouble,' is she? As if, by the time 5 guys are dragging her into an alley, she isn't in a spot of bother already. How does her carrying a gun make things worse? They may get it off her and kill her with it - well, it's quicker than an internally applied iron bar, isn't it? Maybe she will shoot  them in self defence; how is that worse?


What you say about 'release' opportunities is just a wince-making example of rape ignorance. Men do not rape because they have a build up of sexual tension and need to find someone to use as a vehicle for it. Brutally speaking  - very brutally speaking;

A man does not go out, find a woman, beat her up and use her for sex just because masturbation isn't quite enough for him to get it out of his system.

A man does not go out, find a woman, beat her up and use her for sex because he's got no job and he's a bit idle and bored.  

A man does not go out, find a woman, beat her up and use her for sex because he is lacking a wife at home he can co-erce  into sex with impunity.


In short, rape is not about sexual frustration. It's about power and abuse. 


Kite flying competitions! As god is my witness!



Mazo
Mazo

@SyyedMuhammadHussain  If a woman can defend herself against 5-6 drunken fellows who attack her with a knife she must be a ninja. Best thing would be to run and not fight. In some Western cities there are emergency alarm systems along deserted roads which are connected to the police and if anybody is in danger they just run to the nearest one and push it - it sounds an alarm that attracts others, has a video camera to record the victim and the criminals and simultaneously informs the police. Such devices and cell phone apps are more useful to deterring crime than knives and guns.

Mazo
Mazo

@raji.alrazi Most of the office going women in India make at lest $3000 per year. Even fresh graduates from small universities make $3000 or more on their first job. Unless you are talking about uneducated women who are self employed or work in construction or perhaps in the rural areas, most lower middle class women can afford $2000.

Mazo
Mazo

@raji.alraziYou clearly don't have a CLUE what you are talking about. In India ANY decent handgun costs $1500+. And getting a hand gun license unlike the West is close to impossible without great influence or a very pressing need. 


This gun is a gimmick - not a solution. It is important to understand that fact. Just as it is important to understand that getting ammunition and carrying a weapon are extremely dangerous in India and as soon as women start arming themselves - so do their would be attackers. 


finally even with a gun and a trained shooter, the probability of deterring a mob of 5-6 men in close quarters is extremely difficult.

shesetsail
shesetsail

@vaishnavjagdip Guns can be misused, so can an iron bar, or a fist. If the gun is expensive, cheaper guns can be made. Women should know how to use a gun? Women can learn.


Women can be raped anywhere, so can men. Everybody should beware of hitchhiking a lift, or taking an unregistered cab. Men and women should be able to drink and dance at parties as they please, should be able to wear what they please, should be able to trust their friends, male and female. Limiting their freedom and their friendships does not make any woman safe - plenty of women get raped in their own homes by their own husbands and other relatives. 

Justice and Education bring Freedom.

 

TimRobinsonAus
TimRobinsonAus

Absolute evidence that the culture left along with colonials.... India is at disgrace amongst nations, and there is nothing that can change that in relation to foreign or local rape. The Indian male has no shame at his being an animals though accepts like the rutting dog he imitates

There is no good Indian man, just ones that can lie well while looking you in the face.

In this country, which so many of you're culture label as racist, you'd be put in jail and be placed in an asylum for the insane instead of a cell

Mazo
Mazo

@aztecianJust because there is a gun in the market doesn't mean people will buy it or indeed be ALLOWED to buy it - remember Indians need a license to own firearms like most of the world.

freemindstuck
freemindstuck

@aztecian you must be one of the gang rapist in India.  What is crazy is that the gun cost 2000 dollars, when you can buy a pink glock for 500 bucks.

pa0pkg
pa0pkg

@riggedveda @pa0pkg But criminals are always cowards.  They need their victims to be helpless.  Faced with the risk of a victim able to defend herself they will hesitate.

You can see this clearly from the evidence in the contemporary USA.  Criminals have always had access to guns.  But when the government allows honest civilians better access to guns, crime goes down.  See John Lott's book "More guns, less crime".  Or just look at the evidence from Orlando, Florida, in 1967.

riggedveda
riggedveda

@shesetsail I fully appreciate the frustration in your post, but gang rapes resulting in critical wounds are rare. They make the front pages, they get the public enraged, and they force legislation. Most rapes are not of this variety. A gun is as much a weapon for you as it is against. It doesn't know not to shoot when its pointed at you just because you were the one carrying it. A $2000 gun for a common problem where most of the victims don't even make that much per year is an insult, not a solution.


I fully subscribe to rape being an extremely heinous crime, but I also strongly subscribe to nurture rather than nature when it comes to human behavior. Perhaps my ideas struck the wrong cord with you, and that's fine. I only ask that you also propose your own rather than simply belittle mine. But armament is the last solution that comes to mind. And even though I support stricter laws and better enforcement, most rapes aren't even reported.

TimRobinsonAus
TimRobinsonAus

$2000 out of $3000???? As if $3000 is even a decent wage. My god when the colonials left they really did take civilisation with them.... Backward country that's more concerned ed with its international image than it's starving, under educated poverty stricken majority.

Mazo
Mazo

@TimRobinsonAus LOL your ridiculous rant would be amusing if not for the fact that Australia has more rape cases per capita than even India's "rape capital" New Delhi. Hell, entire generations of "half breeds" litter Australia thanks to the abuse of the aboriginal population and we have self righteous hypocrites come here and give sermons! 

Yes, we all know about "Australian justice" - we've seen it first hand in the Indian students burnt alive, stabbed, based in and other violent savagery inflicted upon them for the "fun" it gives Australian youth. THAT is your culture and those are the people who need to be put in an asylum! However the vaunted Australian "justice" system's punishment for bashing an Indian half to death and putting him in a come is 2 years in your state funded hotels you call "prison". 

Please impress somebody more naive and delusional with your self righteous and hypocritical rubbish.  

deejay217
deejay217

@TimRobinsonAusNo argument can defend the atrocity called rape and being an Indian its utterly shameful for us that in our country such incidents happen but before spewing venom on the entire class of Indian male please have a relook at rape/1000 globally. Ur so called first world n civilized country is several notches above India

Mazo
Mazo

@freemindstuck You don't seem to understand that in India gun ownership is a rarity not a ordinary feat. And there is a complete restriction on importing guns and the taxes on guns and ammunition are 200% or more in some cases. Add to this the maximum legal caliber allowed is .32 .Above that and you go to jail. Further a gun owner is put on a separate list by the police who monitor the individual home address to prevent theft and ensure the safe use of the weapon. Finally, a gun owner can't move his weapon across state lines without an ALL India permit - which is very rare and requires a separate background check and a pressing and valid reason to transport a gun.

TimRobinsonAus
TimRobinsonAus

You'd be a rude little person in the flesh right. Absolute pig of a comment probably from the mouth of yet another 2nd amendment fascist

Go jackboot on a rifle range Elmer

sumitron_2k@hotmail.com
sumitron_2k@hotmail.com

@freemindstuck In India you cannot just buy guns off the shelf. Import of guns is banned. Only government ordinance factories make and sell guns..that too with very limited option for bores. The minimum price of a revolver is approx 80,000 Rs or  USD $1200. Automatic rifles are banned for use. 

pa0pkg
pa0pkg

@riggedveda @pa0pkg Yes, gun restrictions disarm law abiding folk -- in any country.  But the key argument here is that carrying guns makes crime go down.  And in particular, it has been clearly shown to make rape go down.  

"Too late"?  All you need is one free hand, for a second or so.  Will a victim always have that free hand?  No.  Will no victim ever have a free hand?  Of course some will.

Claiming that "guns are not defensive" weapons is complete nonsense.  Why do yo think people speak of "self defense"?  Why do you think that guns are used millions of times per year in self defense situations?  For example, read "Guns and self-defense", by Gary Kleck, Ph.D.

riggedveda
riggedveda

@pa0pkg http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1632599


You don't realize you are about to be raped until someone starts pinning you down. By then its usually too late to reach for the gun, and its one more gun in the wrong hands.


Guns are NOT defensive weapons. Pepper sprays, stun guns, even tasers, are defensive. Guns are not.


Its hard to compare the US and India in this regard. The strongest argument pro-gunners have is that restrictions disproportionately disarm law-abiding folk. In the US even small-time criminals carry guns. In India they don't. With low proliferation across the board, and a country where any effective distribution controls are almost impossible, it just makes sense not to promote low-cost firearms.

riggedveda
riggedveda

@shesetsail What makes a rapist a rapist in India is different from what makes a rapist a rapist in the developed world. A rapist in India is not involved in abuse of power. These individuals are typically from far-flung towns, separated from their families for a while, low-income, have a history of personal abuse that makes them personally desensitized, and they have had no real personal contact with persons of the opposite sex. The only personal gratification they get is through consumption of cheap liquor. Outside of liquor and odd jobs, they have nothing that occupies or excites them, and they see women as objects.


It is impossible to restrict distribution of any sort in India. A gun that is readily available and affordable to women is a gun that is readily available and affordable to everyone else, including muggers, potential rapists, and small-time goons. It will only create a whole new problem of proliferation in a country where tracking down people is nearly impossible.


My solution is a combination of defensive deterrents for the short term and social change for the long term. A gun is offensive, not defensive. Pepper spray, alarms, self-defense training are defensive.


It sounds like you have too little exposure to the subcontinent, and that's fine. I would suggest you refrain from armchair philosophy on what would work and what won't without any knowledge of the ground realities, and simply based on isolated episodes you read about. If you're talking about protecting yourself, sure, go ahead and carry a revolver or a rocket launcher - knock yourself out. Its simply not a solution to India's rape problem, neither immediate nor long term.

shesetsail
shesetsail


@riggedveda I belittle your ideas because they seem based on archaic and perhaps even downright silly ideas about what makes a rapist a rapist.

Taking your points from the top:

Gang rapes may be rare, I sincerely hope so or I will never in my life visit the beautiful continent. But what point are you making? That a gun may be justifiable in a dramatic gang rape, but it has no place in a homely domestic rape? Please clarify.

Regarding the issue that a gun could be used against a victim as well as against a perpetrator, thank you for pointing that out. In my giddy girlishness it had never occurred to me -  except in my second paragraph where I cover that argument specifically.  What do you think I missed out? Despite its obvious risks, a gun may well be the preferred option. Given a choice of helpless rape, helpless rape where the police may hopefully turn up soon, helpless rape plus added iron bar or attempted rape where I have a gun in my hands, guess which I go for.  This is particularly useful for attempts at gang rape, because one shot to a perp will probably send the rest running for cover. And if they get it off me, and kill me with it - well, chances are they were going to kill me anyway. And yes, I'll take that chance. 

Re the price of the gun, that is an entirely different argument to whether or not a gun should be carried at all.  

I believe that nurture wins out over nature too. What's your point? 

I looked at the profiles of the rapists you offered. Again, what's your point?


I ask these latter two questions in all seriousness.From your first post, I understood that you were  trying to claim that 'release activities' like kite-flying(!) employment, exhaustion,  and having a wife at home are potential ways of stopping rape. Please explain how.

riggedveda
riggedveda

@TimRobinsonAus So basically your solution is: India sucks. How is that of any use to anyone? Troll.


If you have a solution, post it. If you don't, go find something else useful to do. Its too serious an issue for you to use on your country-bashing agenda for your own gratification.

TimRobinsonAus
TimRobinsonAus

To be honest I agree with everything she had to say

You and pandering to the lowest form, and come across as an apologist for inida's rape shame

TimRobinsonAus
TimRobinsonAus

@Nelsondagama Umm I live in Australia, but im a New Zealander.... we don't have any slaves here or there


good luck with that caste system of yours!!

Nelsondagama
Nelsondagama

As if you know what your forefathers were engaged in!! Just busy robbing all the gold and peddeling opuim to China..!! That how you got rich. Now look at your state! Took all the blacks as slaves and see what's happening with your ladies ;-) once they go black... They never come back ha ha ha. It is just a matter of time...

TimRobinsonAus
TimRobinsonAus

@Nelsondagama as above, im a New Zealander


no prison stock here... hanging long loose and full of juice thanks, as a sub Asian male you probably haven't ever heard that phrase


that's the term the majority of the world uses to describe Indian's and Pakistani's. its ironic that the country you have the most antipathy towards is the one that the world mostly likens you too


by the way id rather be from a prison camp than from a culture that lets its starving die of hunger while failing miserably to show the world that you are in the same league as China... India is not, nor ever will be anywhere as successful and influential as China

TimRobinsonAus
TimRobinsonAus

@JSA glad to see the indian education system is as regressive as your culture


austrralia - incidence at 1.9%

india - marital rape 20%


and I quote


Rape in India is one of India's most common crimes against women.[80] Marital rape that occurs when spouses are living together can only be dealt under the Protection of Women from Domestic Violence Act 2005 which only provides civil remedies to victims (it is a form of non-criminal domestic violence). Marital rape is not a criminal offense, except when spouses are separated. Rape cases in India have doubled between 1990 and 2008


you are nothing but a rapist apologist for a culture that is as backwards as its belief

Nelsondagama
Nelsondagama

@TimROBING-SON-Aus You are an Aus! The OFFSpring of the prison camp! You all from a nice stock!! Talk about civilization and culture :-). Please first check if everything is 'hanging' well 'down under' ;-)

JSA
JSA

@TimRobinsonAus  What are you smoking? In Australia rapes / 100000 is 28.8 while in India it is only 1.8 according to the link you published above.

TimRobinsonAus
TimRobinsonAus

In fact the main 'attack' on an Indian here turned out to be a lie, self inflicted because he didn't want his wife that to find out he was cheating on her

Typical lying Indian!

TimRobinsonAus
TimRobinsonAus

Such an informed argument with no facts

Produce one link to what you say is fact.... Get your dirty primitive mind into what civilisation actually is

Not lies made up by men wanting to deny the fact that they are pig racists

No one has EVER been burnt alive here. How backward you show yourself to be when you can produce a even a made up link to support your point - you can't

TimRobinsonAus
TimRobinsonAus

I did and have

Links below - your ignorance of the world shows. That and every other deny-er

I'm yet to see only lies and stories to my facts