U.S. Rejects Japanese Broadcaster’s Claim It Used ‘Comfort Women’ in World War II

In remarks he now says he regrets, Katsuto Momii, the head of Japan's main public broadcaster, said Japan was hardly the only nation whose soldiers forced women to work as prostitutes during World War II. It's a claim U.S. officials in Tokyo reject.

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The new chairman of public broadcaster Japan Broadcasting Corp. (NHK) Katsuto Momii speaks during a press conference on Jan. 25, 2014 in Tokyo.

Correction appended, Jan. 30, 03:30 EST. It was the mayor of Osaka who said that comfort women served a “necessary” role, not the mayor of Hiroshima. The article has been amended to reflect this.

Did the American government employ sex slaves during the Second World War? The newly appointed chairman of Japan’s public broadcasting system apparently thinks so.

In the latest in a string of revisionist statements by conservative leaders in Japan, Katsuto Momii said the “comfort women” system, in which women were coerced into serving in brothels for Japanese soldiers during World War II, “could be found in any nation that was at war.”

“The comfort women system is considered wrong under today’s moral values. But the military comfort women system existed as a reality at that time,” said Momii. “Can we say there were none in Germany or France? It was everywhere in Europe.”

On Tuesday, the U.S. Embassy in Japan denied that U.S forces operated a system of comfort women during or after that war. “We are not aware of anything that would indicate the U.S. engaged in any such kind of activity,” says an embassy official authorized to speak on the subject. “We would prefer not to comment any further on Mr. Momii’s statements.  I would simply reiterate that his apparent belief regarding U.S. practices is incorrect.” The official asked not to be named, in line with State Department policy.

Jeff Kingston, professor of Asian Studies at Temple University’s campus in Tokyo, says Momii’s views reflect a comforting delusion among some Japanese conservatives and nationalists. “There is no evidence that any other nation recruited tens of thousands of teenagers to serve as sex slaves for their troops at the specific request of military and government authorities,” Kingston says. “U.S. troops have frequented brothels in war and occupation like troops everywhere, but the comfort women system can hardly be compared to these brothels.”

Momii was appointed last month to a three-year term as chairman of the Japan Broadcasting Corporation, also known as NHK. The agency provides news, public service and entertainment programming throughout Japan, and operates news bureaus worldwide. It is funded primarily by viewer license fees and is overseen by a 12-member board of governors appointed by the national Diet.

Momii, the former head of a major trading company, set off a storm of protest during his first press conference as chairman on Saturday by defending the comfort women system and seeming to blame some of the victims. “Putting my chairman’s title aside, the issue becomes complicated because South Korea criticizes as if Japan was the only one that forcibly drafted women into the system,” Momii said. “And [South Korea] demands money, compensation.”

Officials in South Korea immediately called for Momii to be fired. “It is deplorable that the head of Japan’s public broadcaster, who should remain fair and impartial, has distorted historical facts and made such a ridiculous claim,” a South Korea foreign ministry spokesman said.

Momii later said he had been speaking as an individual, and “retracts” his statement.

While there is some disagreement, historians generally believe that as many as 200,000 women, mostly from Korea, China and the Philippines, were forced or coerced into brothels operated by or for the Japanese military. Former U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton referred to the system as “sexual slavery.”

In 1993, Japan’s Chief Cabinet Secretary Yohei Kono issued a formal apology to former comfort women and acknowledged Japan’s responsibility for their suffering.

Japan’s political elite has been plagued with controversy over its supposedly revisionist views of history since Prime Minister Shinzo Abe took office in December 2012.

Abe triggered protests last year when he suggested that Japan had not been the aggressor during its period of wartime and colonial expansion, and the once-popular mayor of Osaka fueled the fire by stating that comfort women served a “necessary” role by relieving soldiers from stress. Abe courted more criticism last month when he visited the Yasukuni Shrine, which is accused of glorifying Japan’s role in the war.

Kyodo News Service reported that Momii was Abe’s personal choice for NHK chairman. A search committee that recommended Momii included conservative author Naoki Hyakuta, a close friend of Abe’s and a member of the NHK board. Hyakuta’s best-selling book, Eternal Zero, was made into a hit movie last year; the film ends with the hero, a fighter pilot opposed to the war, carrying out a Kamikaze attack against an American aircraft carrier.

373 comments
truthgetter
truthgetter

Recently 122 Korean 'Comfort Women' sued the Government of South Korea to compensate them.


Their assertion is as follows.

'The Government of South Korea had set up 'the specific area' to make us serve as prostitutes.

And under the name of the patriotic education, the Goverment did even the spiritual education to us.

 And the Nation (South Korea) never protected us, on the contrary, she made use of us to earn foreign currency.'


From this statement, they were compelled to work as prostitutes, even being brainwashed.

And it is said, the manager of these 62 'specific places' was Mr. President Park Chung-hee.

There seems to be a document signed by Mr.President Park.


Anyway, it can be said, this is the case of 'Comfort Women' in which the Nation involved herself.

TONTON
TONTON

Japan made many victims by war in the past.
Japan after the war continues make apology and compensation to neighboring countries from the reflection.
Still not stop to support to China even now.

In addition, I think that Japan has made a contribution things for peace and stability in the world after ww2.

However, as a card to keep the political supremacy, Korea and China is continue to seek apology and compensation to Japan still.

And China and Korea has Anti-Japanese education, such as stir up hostility.
Children who grew up there, has become a human to hate Japan.

While receiving support from organizations that are involved with China, South Korea has built a comfort women image in the United States.

What would it for?
Please think it.

There is not supposed to be for the sake of peace and stability in the world....

TONTON
TONTON

Chaina and Korean has Yasukuni issue also comfort women issue is also used as a political card.

Western journalists knowing it, and accused Japan. I think it's not fair.

How do you judge the past by the standards of today?
It would be enough anymore.

I think Japanese people tired to continue to apologize.

War is a collection of crime.
But Japan didn't have other choice at that time.

I feel uncomfortable in the figure that the Western countries has accused Japan of the past by standards of today.
It's a hypocrite.

TONTON
TONTON

I believe that we should be viewed things from multiple angles.

You can see the truth in doing so.

Please know that there is a WW2 seen from Asia to you.
It is not so bad for you. Right?

Douglas MacArthur came to Japan. Then  He truly understand Japan.

And he learned that America was wrong.

 China, South Korea and North Korea is a special country.
Their government says in a loud voice a lie.
Have you be fooled by the lie of them?


Truth of World War II - What did Japan fight for

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ti2K5yStfU


nukodaisuke
nukodaisuke

Prostitution is the vocation of Korean women.
They are looking for customers at all times.
70 years ago, their customers were Japanese soldiers.

Pipi
Pipi

It used comfort women.Throughout its history, not only on US women, European and Asian.


In 1870, what was it in St.Louis, New York, Chicago, SF, ...to prevent sexual diseases?

"Prostitution houses for soldiers/ public prostitution houses"


1880~ what was about prostitution by skin color -> racism -> politicians speech records about people ? 

Dennis Kearney (1847-1907), in California, what did he do on Japanese and other Asian, and what did he say about Japanese and other Asian? He and his supporting parties did what on Japanese labors?

"Cleaning society"

Source: John C.Burnham:Medical Inspection of Prostitutes in America in the 19th Century,Bulletin of the History of Medicine,45,May-June 1971

Still, sex slaves were pretty popular during those times, in California and some parts.


It became way bigger and "everywhere" outside US. Occupation and wars.


Shall I continue? How about WWII and after that in Japan and outsid Japan?


In Japan, people in 30s clearly can recall so many things. It has been pretty popular scenes to watch those people going into dark roads, night time, with women. Our farhers and mothers (born just before WWII end) can remember well as they saw those women in Japan every time. From South to North.

Naming those women by location were pretty colorful.

Anyhow, we Japanese hear that we should "rewrite" (oh well, who taught us "what to include, not to include" in the first place after WWII) our textbooks for kids. And we will tell them it is what all wars do.

Then we should show "fair" context of histories. We think it is such a good way of teaching, because we want them to have their own world views, judgements and experiences, not our own, not others in foreign countries. They may have black, brown, blue, green eye colors as being Japanese. Then it should be fair. And should not be influenced by others' "taught information" because it is simply good sounding for "past" people.

Bombkiller007
Bombkiller007

I would like to illustrate some basic investigatory facts that unfortunately Mr. Spitzer has either not invested the effort to look into, or they are inconvenient for him to report as it would present an unbiased article and get in the way of the reactionary history his is promoting with the Comfort Women issue.


Lets look at some findings from the Korean side, before the politically powerful Black Shirt tactics of the Comfort Women lobby and their cronies took effect in the early 90s.  Keep in mind there was NO sex slave narrative before 1985.  A Japanese made this issue up in a work of fiction he tried to pass off as fact in his book where he claimed 200,000 Korean women were kidnapped and forced to be prostititues.  **This was the first instance of this myth being released to the mainstream**


At the time Ms. Kim Bong Ok was the head of the Cheju-do island history association.  Cheju-do was where Yoshida Seiji (the author who wrote he had committed this kidnapping in 1985 but later admitted to making all of it up a decade later), had stated he kidnapped a majority of the girls.  Mr. Ok quoted "This is a prime example of the brutality and barbarity of the Japanese (the fabrication of the kidnapping story).  The author writes about acts that most people would find too shameful to describe.  We should dignify what he produced by calling it a book."  Even in the village where the Japanese fascist mentions 15 girls being kidnapped the Korean press went and interviewed Chon Ok Dan (Then 85) a resident of Seongsan-li "It's not true.  There are only a little over 250 houses in this village.  If an incident that serious, where 15 people were abducted, had taken place, everyone would have heard about it.  But no one did."


So there were NO corroborating witnesses.  Further, the one that did come forward at the time: Mrs. Kim Hak Sun initially said she was sold into prostitution, then changed her story to she was kidnapped by soldiers (and that story changed no less than 5 times in major details), then finally she admitted that she was already a prostitute and her contract was sold to a brothel in China that serviced a lot of military persons.  Again not forced and she admitted as much under questioning.


A voice that was recently bullied into silence is Professor Emeritus Ahn Byong Jik.  He was on the Volunteer Corps Research group which also took on the Comfort Women study as well.  He found that of the 40 women interviewed (almost all who came forward and presented themselves at that time..there are 55 now) in 1992-1996, only 19 were credible, the rest had invented narratives and continued to invent facts.  Out of those 19 Professor Ahn on the questions asked how many were forced or coerced.  The answer was 4.  Out of those 4 he further questions the circumstances and two were found to have been put into civilian brothels, and the other 2 mentioned were Kim Hak Sun and Moon Ok Ju.  Kim later recanted her story and admitted she was already a prostitute, and Moon was later found to have volunteered but later said she was forced to go from Burma where she was serving as a prostitute to Manchuria and didn't want to go…so not coerced to join.


Professor Ahn was recently assaulted in Korea by a group of black shirts demanding he recant his public statements on the findings from his time in the research group.  It is to Professor Ahn and those other courageous Koreans who are not afraid to tell the truth in the midst of tremendous pressure from the Comfort Women lobby that we should be aware of, as well as the facts on the issues.



sashablouse
sashablouse

Present 100 thousand of Korean prostitutes over the world tells the truth.

50 thousand of them have been thronging Japan.

THEY WANT SIMPLY MONEY.
The Japanese military's interference were only about security and health care.
Brokers' injustice are domestic issue in Korea.
The cases of women who selled by their parents without permission from herselves, too.
If Japanese soldiers raped hundreds thousands of Korean, where are mixed people like Lai Dai Han?
The governor-general's office warned abduction by brokers, the notice was found by Korean in Korea.
In spite of that, Japanese government apologized and paid officially again and again.

johnbull
johnbull

the BBC programme  a year ago included the comment about the US army in its invasion of Japanese territorry, 'Japanese women would through themselves off cliffs to reduce the chance of them being raped when dead by the oncoming US troops'  Alive or dead they knew they were going to be gang raped. 

War is awful very few armies are blameless.  At the present time Rape is being used as a weapon in many parts of the world.

What is needed is more honest about what did and is happening.

nukodaisuke
nukodaisuke

In the Korean War, the South Korean government has sent drum packed women to the battlefront as comfort women for South Korean soldiers and American soldiers.

makoon
makoon

CaptainFuller
I can refute your insistions. e.g. it was by the Japanese Education system which penatrated hangeul to many Korean, not eradicate cultures.

However, it is not the point of this discussion. the point is whether or not what NHK president said is correct. pls focus on this point. not start seditious duscussion.

CaptainFuller
CaptainFuller

@Bombkiller007  @Bombkiller007  You argument is flawed. You come to this argument with the idea that KOREANS were the only ones who were made to be comfort women. While the Korean voice is the politically loudest on this issue, they are not the only country who were the source of comfort women. The "comfort women" are claimed to be from KoreaChinaPhilippinesBurmaThailandVietnamMalaysiaTaiwan, and Indonesia.


Thus your citing of the Yoshida Seiji story is A NON ARGUMENT. You can't DIMISS the claims of women from 9 DIFFERENT COUNTRIES based on some stories from incidents happening in ONE SINGLE country, i.e. Korea. Sorry. 


As I said Japan's best argument on this issue is to cite the apology and reparations offered in 1993 and the refusal of the comfort women at that time to accept it. In the eyes of the International community, Japan is guilty on this issue. That is the REALITY of the situation BUDDY. Understand it.

CaptainFuller
CaptainFuller

@Bombkiller007  You argument is flawed. You come to this argument with the idea that KOREANS were the only ones who were made to be comfort women. While the Korean voice is the politically loudest on this issue, they are not the only country who were the source of comfort women. The "comfort women" are claimed to be from KoreaChinaPhilippinesBurmaThailandVietnamMalaysiaTaiwan, and Indonesia.


Thus your citing of the Yoshida Seiji story is A NON ARGUMENT. You can't DIMISS the claims of women from 9 DIFFERENT COUNTRIES based on some stories from incidents happening in ONE SINGLE country, i.e. Korea. Sorry. 


As I said Japan's best argument on this issue is to cite the apology and reparations offered in 1993 and the refusal of the comfort women at that time to accept it. In the eyes of the International community, Japan is guilty on this issue. That is the REALITY of the situation BUDDY. Understand it.

CaptainFuller
CaptainFuller

@johnbull I agree. The suffering of all the innocent people in Japan is not focused upon nearly enough, because of the circumstances surrounding the war. This does not, however, absolve Japan of their war crimes.

CaptainFuller
CaptainFuller

@makoon So you admit the Japanese military used forced prostitution as well as the United States. Thank you. I'm happy to see that you admit it. So your argument about prostitutes being "paid at a high rate" is irrelevant. You admit the crime. The NHK president admits the crime. You can try to minimize the crime by saying other countries did the same crime, but the crime is still the crime. It's a disgusting and shameful crime.

As to your claim that the cultures were not being eradicated, look up Naisen itta and Sōshi-kaimei.

Bombkiller007
Bombkiller007

@CaptainFuller

You can continue to repeat the argument is flawed, however the argument process and logic follows both UCMJ, and International criminal case law.  The UCMJ is the closest law in use during the IMTFE, and international criminal law covers post war, although there would not be any precedent during the time of the actions to cover it, its methodology is used to show the fallacies in the arguments and how they have no basis in legal grounds.  In addition, this thread is an excellent example of bias on the part of legal process when Japanese are considered in the equation vs. modern states or actors, or even when these similar issues are brought up for US conduct in France (as Mary Louise Roberts has pointed out), and Asia both during and post WWII.  There is a bias (double standard) and a wishing for suspension of laws and process for Japan.  Your comment above is most telling:  Japan is simply guilty without due process due to previous infractions.


Its also interesting that you are dead set on ignoring the hard evidence, source documentations (vs. your presentations of political working groups with interesting sounding titles, poor methodology, and ALL post 1992 when this issue was created in earnest by the Japanese lawyers working in tandem with the Pacific War Victims Committee in Korea), and facts by clinging desperately onto a handful of witness statements (only two Koreans stated they were actually kidnapped for the Comfort Women operation…and those are not credible as their stories (a) changed and (b) the second one says she was only kidnapped AFTER she was a comfort women in Burma and forced to go to Manchuria….


We have already reviewed the information on the countries above (but aside from the Philippines you continue to present information that was already proven false.  Tell a lie enough times is a strategy, but a poor one.


Belief on emotion is a powerful illusion.  Like faith in religion its hard to break with facts.  But in science, law, and hopefully an honest interpretation of history should rely on the facts.  Not grasping at desperate political statements.  



Bombkiller007
Bombkiller007

@CaptainFuller @Bombkiller007  Again, you are overlooking the 5th Amendment, there has been no trial and therefore these are allegations. And yes, if the evidence in the largest sampling conducted by Professor Ahn (40 women out of the 55 but 100% of the women that identified themselves in 1996) is any indication = ZERO have any credible evidence of being forced…only two at the time mentioned it, and those two contradicted their own testimony, with one of the two being forced to move from Burma to China but not being forced in…..then YES we can discount the 10 in Indonesia that were interviewed by Khalid Marsoof and found by his team to be (a) not forced and (b) clearly coached of what to say for money. Thailand has zero (the two that came forward recounted), Burma equals zero.  etc.  


There are more Alien Abduction and sexual assault case "victims" than comfort women and their stories.


Japan, as much as your wrapped up in trying to produce a false positive, is NOT guilty.  As Ive said over again, and as both the UN and US courts recognize that the 5th Amendment is seen as a Universal Human right.  A fair trial and presumption of innocence until proven guilty stands.  


Again, quite frightening the witch hunt mentality that takes circumstantial evidence over documentation and cross examination of the facts from the accusers when it is very clear.  We have a very distinct timeline of when this story came about.  NO evidence from any side.  CLEAR lines of fabrication from the accusers and multiple changes in their story (and again only two in the initial study ever said they were forced, and later the one changed it).  Indonesia, Thailand and Burma all are surprisingly more mature than the US audience in their judgement, with Singapore rejecting the statue publicly on grounds that there is (a) no evidence and (b) the issue is only serving to torment discontent.


But perhaps that is why the Comfort Women blackshirt lobby continues as it does despite the clear facts that the sex slave narrative is made up:  They really aren't interested in retribution, but only creating conflict for political gain, and fanning racial and ethnic hatred.


All the while, real modern victims of human trafficking and sex crimes on an international scale are being shown disrespect and an injustice by having these actors and actresses put on a farce for the world to see.  In the end, it only hurts the real victims.

Bombkiller007
Bombkiller007

@CaptainFuller @johnbull  Again, there is no war crime with the Comfort Women because there is no evidence that they were forced, quite the contrary, they were volunteers.  The 5th Amendment/Universal Human right guarantees the right to a fair trial on this issue as well as a presumption of innocent until proven guilty.  There has not been a trail or impartial hearing on this issue, therefore it is only an allegation, and not a war crime.  And under what statute during 1937-1945 would this fall under with regard to a treaty or international law at the time?  Or are you arguing ex post facto?

Bombkiller007
Bombkiller007

@kskimpak @nukodaisuke  Yes, please see the Korean documentary video posted below that details the South Korean and US Governments ACTIVE participation in comfort women to service the US there.  The DMZ is still considered a battle front.


makoon
makoon

@CaptainFuller @makoon

Facts:

-The one who destoried Seoul was not Japanes, not U.S, but Korean themselves.

-They are not taught in schools in Korea because of the pressure from left wing NGOs.

-People who mentions those facts could not have the freedom of speech in Korea.

In the policy of Naisen-Ittai (Japan-Korea-Unity), Princess of Royal family in Japan was married with Korean Royal family to express their respect.

Soshi-Kaimei is like Chinese people are willing to have English name now. Many of them want to have Japanese name for their business.


makoon
makoon

@CaptainFuller @makoon

I understand what you mean with the word "eradicate".

But the point is Japanes Government in Korea was ,totally saying, "good government" for Korean as well.

Facts:

Seoul university is founded by Japanese Government.

Population was doubled under the Japanese Gorvernment in Korea

literacy rate was from 15% to 65% under the Japanese Gorvernment in Korea

There were many Koreans (a million) supporting Japanese government (Isshin-kai, Irchinfe), because they are bored of internal politica struggles and corruptions in Lee dynacity.

makoon
makoon

@CaptainFuller @makoon

Maybe, the situation was a bit similar to some women from East Europe working in such industry in North Europe. But many of bad business person were Korean, and many of prostitute did the job voluntarily because they really want money and of course they have received enough money.

you might know, the intrincical problem was and is poverty.

Korean president at that time promised, after the expression, they would not repeat this issue again. However, although I dont doubt their sincerity, Korean politicians were and are not strong enough to fight against populism.

Japanese Government was too naive..

makoon
makoon

@CaptainFuller @makoon

What Japanese gorvernment express their regret in "Kohno conversation" to was that there are some women who were deceived by bad businee persons or mafia and had to work in the prostitution and Japanese armies didnt do enough against such situation and use the prostitution.

makoon
makoon

@CaptainFuller @makoon

Okay, your argument is logical. Yes, Momii's expression "force" is, I think, inappropriate.
 
I posted as below in other article.
http://world.time.com/2014/02/07/japanese-nhk-officials-world-war-ii/
 
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Japanese Goverment cleary have DENIED OFFICIALLY "force prostitution "employed by the Japanese military". "force prostitution" was NOT mentioned even in "Kohno conversation". There are no evidences which prove prove involvement of Army anga Governemnt. "comfort women" was public prostitution system, or breathels, which armies of many countries have had. This is what Hashimoto and other famous Japaneses have says. Your attitude is not correct, objective but seditious.

CaptainFuller
CaptainFuller

@Bombkiller007 @CaptainFuller This a report from the PHILIPPINE GOVERNMENT, not a study by a Korean Professor or a story from a Japanese soldier about Korea. Your bias to continually argue the issue from strictly Korean-based evidence is a HUGE flaw your argument.

CaptainFuller
CaptainFuller

@Bombkiller007 @CaptainFullerHere are some stories from OUTSIDE KOREA:


Of the 381 cases of Class B and Class C war crimes brought before post-war military tribunals in the Philippines, almost half involved massacres of local civilians (138 cases) or rapes (45 cases).
 

In Manila(in the map 2), according to a research report of one section of SCAP, there were 12 houses of relaxation (comfort stations) and 5 brothels for privates and non-commissioned officers. War prisoners testified that there were 5 or 6 comfort stations where Korean, Filipino and Chinese women worked. On the island of North Luzon comfort stations existed at Bayonbong(1). In the Central Visaya region on the island of Masbate(3) there was a comfort station named "Military Club". At Iloilo(4) on the island of Panay two comfort stations existed. It can be ascertained that in 1942 in the first one 12 - 16 women worked and in the second one 10 - 11 women. At Cebu(5) on the island of Cebu a Japanese proprietor opened a comfort station. At Tacloban(6) on the island of Leyte in a comfort station managed by Filipinos 9 Filipino women worked.
In Burauen(7) of the same island a comfort station was opened by August 1944.

In Butuan(8) on the island of Mindanao a comfort station was opened with three Filipino women in 1942. And it is known that in Cagayan(9) of the same island the third comfort station was established in February 1943. That means that there were three comfort stations in Cagayan. In Dansaran(10) in the central part of the island there was a Comfort station. In Davao(11) of the island there was a comfort station where Koreans, Taiwanese and Filipinos were brought and forced into service.

Also in parts of the Philippines occupied by the Japanese military, according to victims' testimonies, a number of women were raped and abducted through violent means to garrison buildings, then confined there and forced to provide sexual services. Such victims can be thought of as equivalent to comfort women. In many of these cases, their fathers or husbands were killed in front of the women and their other family members. 

From the Final Report of Philippine government (Full text here)

Many of the Lolas were taken forcibly by Japanese soldiers while in their home. A few were taken while they were at home while a few were either working; or running an errand for their parents. Many of them were still single but there were other married women. A Lola from Bicol was asleep when the Japanese came to their village and rounded up all men and young women and were taken in the elementary school building; where they were held until the next morning;. Then, they were taken to the municipal hall. Another Lola was told by her mother to buy food from the nearby town while the other one was gathering "sisid" (wet) rice near the pier in Malabon.

They were taken to Japanese military camps or garrisons which were former wither municipal/provincial building, big private houses, elementary/high school buildings, hospitals or churches. A Lola narrated that all the corners of a particular church in Manila had a woman being raped by the Japanese every night. There was even a case where the Lola's house itself was converted into a garrison. A tunnel was reportedly used to house comfort women.

Their period of confinement ranged from three days to more than a year. About 25 percent of them were confined for four months or longer while 17 percent were kept for three months and l6 percent were there for one month. All the Lolas reported to have been raped throughout their period of confinement. Seven Japanese soldiers first raped this Lola who hails from the Visayas in their house while the other family members were being interrogated. And every night thereafter for seven days, three to five Japanese soldiers raped her. A Lola from Manila was raped a month after her capture. Of her six to seven month confinement in the garrison, three or more soldiers continuously raped her about three times a week. 

CaptainFuller
CaptainFuller

@Bombkiller007 @CaptainFullerI agree that it is a political issue and it is in Japan's best interests to treat it as such. Denying the issue, or as you say "exercising the the 5th Amendment" is NOT in Japan's best interest because Japan has already been judged as GUILTY by the International community. 

Japan has already been judged and convicted for many war crimes for WW2 and I fail to see how continuing to acknowledge remorse and apologies to the comfort women in any way hurts the Japanese reputation during the War, whether it's true or not. I happen to still believe that the comfort women story is true no matter what biased cases you continue to cite from Korea in your Shunkanshi style argument.

Japan's best defense, and morally high position is to support the past apologies that they have made. I don't know how many times that I have to say this. It's common sense.

makoon
makoon

@CaptainFuller @makoon

Hum.. unfortunately, it sound a bit too idealistic. Being too idealistic and denying inappropriate realities is dangerouse, which has been illustrated by Jacobins, communism, and Khmer Rouge. I like the approch of netherlands toward drug and prostitution. They dont deny realities but try to "control"  them.

In my understanding, public brotherls is not bad. whether or not to be blamed depends on how they are/were recruited. Japanese army were involved in it in some cases. So Japan shouuld applogize and they did.

But Korea insists as if Japan was rape nation. And other countries accuses without reflecting themselves. What I say is this is unfair. I know, you seems fair. but many are not.

CaptainFuller
CaptainFuller

@makoon @CaptainFuller "- the purpose of the comfort women was to prevent rape." It is sick and uncivilized that any country would have to worry about their soldiers raping. Moral Education and proper ethics should be taught to the young men of these countries to PREVENT RAPE.


"- Comfort women receive high salary. they are public brotherls, which armies of other countries have had." Your statement about high salary is not proven in every case of every comfort woman.

"
- Some worked willingly because of the poverty.
- Some worked against their will. some were sold be their parents and some were deceived recruiters." I agree with these statements. And your statements acknowledge that a crime happened to innocent women.


Japan soldiers committed crimes against some these women. That is the fact that you admit.

CaptainFuller
CaptainFuller

@makoon @CaptainFullerAmerican soldiers rape girls in Okinawa and get away without punishment. It is horrible. But you are just trying to justify the use of comfort women in this argument to make Japan look better. Just recognize that comfort women used by any country, including Japan is wrong. Soldiers should be taught to be civilized enough NOT TO RAPE, no matter what country they are from.

CaptainFuller
CaptainFuller

@makoon @CaptainFullerJapan is too proud to give appeasement. Everyone knows that. That is why Japanese politicians come to America to remove the Comfort Women Statues. 

The absolute best thing that Japan do in this situation is to try and resolve this issue with S. Korea right now, while everyone is paying attention, with the utmost sincerity. If Japan does not wish to continue to resolve it now with more reparations, they should point out the Kono statement and Women's fund which was refused by the victims. In my opinion, the best thing for Japan to do is to try and resolve it right now as sincerely as possible, while there are still some surviving comfort women left alive. If they die without apology from Japan and compensation, this issue will always be there.

makoon
makoon

@CaptainFuller

My evaluation:

"All korean girls, and other girls in the country Japan invaded, were forced to work in the prostitution by Japanese army against their will" were far beyond reality. it was not "sex slave". it is eggagrated. it is reasonable that japan refuse such eggagration.

Should Japan apologize? Japan might have to apologize as person for some accidents whether or not  armies of most countries did. However, unfortunateky, such attitude is regarded as naive in the international politics.

The reality is that, Kohno-statement, the expression of sincereity of Japan, results in the eggagration and acceleration for accusing Japan by Korea.

Japan is bored. Japan have learned appeasement would not work.

makoon
makoon

@CaptainFuller

Facts:

- Many of the prostitution ran by koreans. some of then deceived girls and force them to work in the prostitution.
- some bad japanese soidler were involved in forcing them to work in the prostitution.
- About Half of comfort women were Japanse.
- Japan-Korea treaty in 1965 had solved all issues in the war officially, although Japan did not lose the war agains Korea.
- Japanese Gorvernment admitted many of the comfort women worked there against their will
- Japan offered compensation in Asia Women's Foundation. S Korea refused them.

makoon
makoon

@CaptainFuller @makoon

I think it is good to differentiate the understanding of the facts and evaluation of them.

Facts:
- the purpose of the comfort women was to prevent rape.
- Comfort women receive high salary. they are public brotherls, which armies of other countries have had.
- Some worked willingly because of the poverty.
- Some worked against their will. some were sold be their parents and some were deceived recruiters.

makoon
makoon

@CaptainFuller @makoon

They were poor, "they" included Korean and Japanese. So they had to work in the prostitution and parents of them had to sell them in some cases. In other word, they worked willingly or their parents sold willingly. Korean men didnt coward, because Korean women did willingly, or the parents made their daughters willingly.

If Japanese army officially force Korean girls work in the prostitution, they would become so hostile that they would not fight with Japan. Japan wanted Korea fight together, and about 300000 soldier fought with Japan. (So Japan should thank Korean). Forcing their girl and making them hostile was not only inmoral, but ineffective for the purpose of Japan. 

makoon
makoon

@CaptainFuller

Unfortunately, some Japanese might commit rape. But the crime rate was very row, which Lee Kuan Yew (the first PM in Singapore) said, which is very critical againt Japan's domination. I thank American army to have brotherls in their army, which would prevent possible rapes.

This policy was appropriate for America as well, because if they allow their soldier to rape Japanese girls, Japanese would become so hostile that they could not gorvern Japan.

CaptainFuller
CaptainFuller

@makoon @CaptainFullerAgain, you use a coward's argument tactic. First you blame the Korean women and say that they willingly became prostitutes when they were poor to make money. Now you ask why the Korean men could not fight for their women? 

I ask you, what can a poor man do to protect who he loves when he has nothing, and his oppressors have guns and an army? Would you run to attack a man with your fists when he had a pistol, sword or rifle? Your argument does not make sense.

 First you claim poverty was the problem, then you ask why a poor man does not fight? How can a poor man fight against an army with tanks and guns? You are illogical. Your arguments make no sense. Your agenda is obvious. 

Japan is a great country, with an amazing culture, but it is people like you who will destroy it. Your denial, excuses and arguments only hurt Japan, they do not help it. I understand that much of Korean identity is defined by hating Japan, and that it is frustrating, shameful, and embarrassing for many Japanese, but denying these issues only bolsters the anti-Japan element in Korea. The best thing Japan can do is to recognize the Show Era crimes and attempt to continue to make reconciliation for them. To deny these crimes, as you have done, only hurts Japan.

CaptainFuller
CaptainFuller

@makoon @CaptainFullerI agree that Korea should be willing to accept the apology from Japan. However, when famous and important Japanese people in the public and political eye continually deny the comfort women issue, it only bolsters Korea's position. Logically, Japanese celebrities and politicians should point out Japan's efforts of compensation to Korea in the 1965 treaty and the apologies like the Kono statement, not to DENY the issues and claim that there is no evidence. Your attitude only hurts Japan in the view of the International community.

CaptainFuller
CaptainFuller

@makoon @CaptainFullerThe Japanese army did rape local girls, in this documentary a Japanese soldier admits to it. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LDU33-SzQQ


You claim that prostitution was implemented to prevent rape, but that does not necessarily mean that the prostitutes were willingly prostitutes, as I said, many girls and children were sold into prostitution by their poor families. It also does not mean that these women were not abused by the brothel owners and by the Japanese military patrons. 

Again, I say, Japan has apologized for this issue many times. Your continued denial only hurts Japan, it does not help.

CaptainFuller
CaptainFuller

@makoon @CaptainFullerIf the Japanese military supported or encouraged poor Korean families into selling their children into prostitution, that child was forced. Even if the family gave up their daughter willingly, that daughter was was forced into prostitution by the situation. This is the reality. You cannot deny this reality. 

I am sure there were many poor adult women who became prostitutes willingly, but there were many young women who were not willing, and they were forced into the situation by coercion, or by their poor families, or by Koreans, or by Japanese to have sex with the Japanese military. These women were innocent victims, that is the point. Even if there were only 200 of them who were forced, this event is still morally wrong from a human rights perspective. It is a violation of human rights, and the Japanese military was involved in some of that. That is the reality. That is is the International Communities' view.

This issue is not going to go away. Face the facts and support Japan's apology. Your denial on this issue in counter productive. I understand your point of view that the Koreans involved in this are not being held as responsible as Japan, but that is the reality of the situation. Just accept that and support the Kono Statement and Japan's apologies. This what will help Japan.

makoon
makoon

@CaptainFuller @makoon

This is because accusation itself is the purpose, and "comfort women" is ony one excuse. this is why the side which have already occupied the island insists laudly their ownership, although many of japanese didnt know there are territorial dispute. it is only populism.

The more Japan gives, the more Korea wants. "Appeasement" would not work.

makoon
makoon

@CaptainFuller

I have a question that were Korean men so coward that they could not fight for saving their girls. A Tiwanese women had the same question and asked her father. He answered. " we were not so shameful and coward. Such a story was not true".

makoon
makoon

@CaptainFuller

In fact, in many wars, mixed race child born by rape including Lad Dai Han have been the problem, I have not heard such a problem in Japanese Army. This illustrates the treatment was not so bad.  there were many records  which show the good treatment in the prostitution.
 
The real problem was poverty as were always the case in sex industry.

There are many women who work in the prostitution on their will because they really wanted money. There are many Japanese comfort women, because poverty was the problem especially in the rural area even in Japan at that time. in other wordd, Supply was enough.

 
Yes, when situation became worse for Japanese especially in South East Asia, I can imagine there are few comfort women but Soldiers wanted them and army must "gather" them against their will. Situation in the prostitution might be bad because all the situations in the army were bad.

makoon
makoon

@CaptainFuller

And I believe, Japanese left wing administration consessed too much. the image "forcing  foreign girls sex slave" was far from the reality. it is because not only there are no official document but there are many evidences they are only public prostitution. And "forced prostitution" was unnatural.
 
The purpose of the prostitution is to prevent soldiers from committing rape and provoking local people. if the army was brutal, the only thing they should do was to allow soldiers to rape local girls. Forcing Korean girls work in the prostitution was just against the purpose.

CaptainFuller
CaptainFuller

@makoon @CaptainFullerYou make a good point about the NGO. Many former comfort women rejected the compensations because of pressure from a non-government organization known as the Korean Council for the Women Drafted for Military Sexual Slavery by Japan, or "Chongdaehyop", and because of media pressure.

This is a good argument that Japan has on this issue. Japan should bring up this argument, not deny the evidence of comfort women or justify the comfort women. If Japan brought up this argument, the Koreans would have to explain themselves. Why would the comfort women reject the offered compensation from Asia Women's Fund and an apology from the Prime Minister? That is a very serious question.

 

makoon
makoon

@CaptainFuller

>>What I disagree with is his attitude in the statement where he minimizes Japan's crime by accusing other countries of the same the thing.

This is the point. What Japanese have said is against unfairness and too much accusation. Japan could accept that only Japan should be blamed. And as you mentioned, it is officially solved by the Japan-Korea treaty and Japan dare to express the apologise and tried to pay in Asian Women foundation, but Korea refused it under the pressure of left wing NGOs.



makoon
makoon

@CaptainFuller

Yes, we should focus on the "comfort women" issue.

Hum.. Ideally Millitary should not have prostitutions.  But I think prostitution is much better than rape, if it run appropriately. In fact parents in local area want military have it for saving their daughters.

CaptainFuller
CaptainFuller

@makoon @CaptainFullerThis argument has nothing to do with comfort women. I never mentioned Seoul being destroyed. You told me to concentrate on the argument at hand, yet you mention extraneous details which have nothing to do with the topic of comfort women. I did not mention what Koreans were taught in schools either. You, yourself said you disagreed with the NHK president's statement, so why are you here arguing and defending anything, if you disagree with him?

As an American, I have no problem admitting that the US has used comfort women and probably still does. I am ashamed of that. I hate my country for that. I hate my country from using nuclear weapons at Hiroshima too. 

I agree with the NHK president's statement, that many countries have done this. What I disagree with is his attitude in the statement where he minimizes Japan's crime by accusing other countries of the same the thing. This a cowardly tactic. This is a coward's way of speaking, shifting the blame to others. It is way to justify and minimize the crimes of the Japanese military.

As to Naisen-Ittai and Soshi-Kaimei, you claim they were good things. Others would disagree with you. Many would say they were oppressive policies. The bottom line is that the Japanese did not see Koreans as equals, and many Japanese still do not see them as equal to this day. If you were a Korean Christian, but then forced to go to worship at a Japanese Shinto shrine as part of the Empire, that is against culture , this is one of many examples of an eradication of culture during the Shōwa era.

makoon
makoon

@CaptainFuller @makoon

I agree we should focus on the "Comfort women" issue. why I mentioned it was you mentioned "eradicate".

CaptainFuller
CaptainFuller

@makoon @CaptainFullerIt's true that Japanese did build lots of good infrastructure to Korea, which was very poor, and Korea still benefits from those improvements that Japan made to their country to this day. However, this does not excuse the war crimes. Why is it even mentioned in a discussion about comfort women?

CaptainFuller
CaptainFuller

@makoon @CaptainFullerI agree that Korea was a very poor country at that time, but the Japanese military took advantage of Korea's poverty and coerced and forced Korean women to become prostitutes. You are correct that the root problem was Korean poverty, but that does not justify the actions of the Japanese military when it comes to forced or coerced prostitution by Koreans or Japanese. The Japanese soldiers are the ones who used the forced and coerced prostitutes the most.

makoon
makoon

@CaptainFuller @makoon

In a sense, Japanse gorvernment might have responsibility as their governer for not making Korea richer region.

And there are many Japanese (about a half).  So many of them are not forced. The root problme was poverty.

CaptainFuller
CaptainFuller

@makoon @CaptainFuller It's true. There was poverty. Families sold their children for money to be sex slaves for the Japanese. Some were as young as 12 years old. This is sex slavery. The family got money, but the child sold was an innocent victim. This is also called child prostitution and child sex slavery. This is a disgusting and shameful crime. The families who sold their children are disgusting and the Japanese military that were involved in having sex with sex slave children are even more disgusting.

CaptainFuller
CaptainFuller

@makoon @CaptainFullerYou are wrong again. 

Kono statement states the following very clearly:

"The Government study has revealed that in many cases they (comfort women) were recruited against their own will, through coaxing coercion, etc., and that, at times, administrative/military personnel directly took part in the recruitments."

"Undeniably, this was an act, with the involvement of the military authorities of the day, that severely injured the honor and dignity of many women."

This statement directly acknowledges Japanese military involvement. You are wrong.

Bombkiller007
Bombkiller007

@CaptainFuller  Japan is doing what anyone or nation would do when accused of a false crime:  Refute the allegations and demand a impartial review.  That has not occured and as shown time and time again in the dialog on this page, that the evidence is solid that the Comfort Women were prostitutes, not forced, and that this political issue is just that:  Political.  


It is not denying.  You can not deny a false allegation. You can refute the claims, which is the right of all nations and people.  



Bombkiller007
Bombkiller007

@makoon @CaptainFuller  Kono also made his statement regarding the workers groups, and included the Comfort Women into the statement in a blanket fashion before any evidence other than the complaint had been made known to him.  Read the comments of Ambassador Oh upon return to Korea with regard to the Comfort Women where he said there as of yet was no evidence but was happy with Konos statements.   Upon this release, he was fired under pressure from the Comfort Women lobby in Korea.  And again, political statements are not legal reviews and determinations of facts. Kono is a clear case of a politician pandering for votes and money at the time….he issued his statement without reviewing any evidence.

CaptainFuller
CaptainFuller

@makoon @CaptainFuller I am having diffuclty to understand your point. Again, the documents found by Yoshiaki Yoshida contained information
that indicated that the Japanese military had played a large role in operating what were euphemistically called "comfort stations." Even if the recruiters were Koreans, they "acted in response to a request from the military". As you just wrote here. The Koreans would not have done this without the Japanese military's involvement. So the Japanese military is responsible.

I do not understand why you are arguing about the "forcebility" point. Even if it is untrue, the WORLD accepts this that FORCED prostitution happened in the Shōwa era. That is the fact of the situation. To deny it looks crazy to the International Community. As a Japanese person you should know how important it is how a community views the individual. In the context of the world community, these right wing Japanese politicians are viewed as insane when they make these statements.

As I said before, the only good argument that Japan has is the 1965 Treaty, and the Asian Women's Fund. I am sympathetic to Japan. I think Japan is an amazing country, but I do not support Abe and his NHK appointees right wing agenda here. Japan apologized, and Japan should continue to say that they have apologized and to point out the facts of the situation, that the living comfort women denied the offered compensation and apology. This is a strong argument that Japan has for this issue. It demonstrates that Korea does not really care for the Comfort Women, they just wish to use the issue to cause controversy. Korea is not really serious about resolving this issue. If they were, they would have negotiated to resolve the issue at the time of the Asian's Women Fund and the apology of the Prime Minister in the 1990's when it was a good opportunity.

But, Japanese politicians trying to remove statues that honor the comfort women in the USA shows how insincere they are about the issue. Since the apologies were made, a statue being built to honor the comfort women should not be an issue. Why Japanese politicians come to the USA to have these monuments taken down does not make sense...

It is obvious from what you have written me that you do not believe the comfort women story. It is your right to have that opinion, but your attitude and opinion is only hurting Japan, not helping Japan. In the view of the International community, Japan committed these crimes. You should support the apologies that Japan has made over the years, not deny what happened.

makoon
makoon

@CaptainFuller @makoon

Maybe about Yoshiaki Yoshimi.

 His insistions are challenged by many famous professor. And interestingly, he admits there were no "nallow meaning of forceablity", or Japanese army offcially force foreign girls in the prostituion because no evidences were found.

He insists "broader meaning of forcebility", or "by private recruiters who acted in response to the request of the military". 

btw, many of recruiters were Koreans.

CaptainFuller
CaptainFuller

@makoon @CaptainFuller Shūkanshi are famous for their right wing tone, misinformation, and lies. 

Arguing that Asahi-shinbun is left wing does not does not make the information contained in the documents found by Yoshiaki Yoshida at the Defense Agency untrue information. You have no argument here.


makoon
makoon

@CaptainFuller

And Asahi-shinbun was famous in too left wing tone and many of their reports were famous in untrue in Japan. In the country which lost the war, left wing medias  tend to be pervasive. And the Asahi was pervasive. But recent years, the situation is changing.

makoon
makoon

@CaptainFuller

Thank you for pointing out. I read the Kohno statement again and found What I said was inappropriate.

At that time, the administration was left wing, and consess too much to Korea. But even so, they cannot accept what were not fact.

"in response to the request of the military": Korean Gorvernment wanted to use "order" not  "request" but it could not be acceptable because it was not fact. And "administrative/military personnel" didnt mean "official". the reason why "personnel" was used was although Japanese gorvernment tried to find official document to order "force" prostitution, there were none.

CaptainFuller
CaptainFuller

@makoon @CaptainFullerYou are wrong. 

As I wrote to Bombkiller, I will repeat if for you.

In 1994, the Japanese government set up the Asian Women's Fund to distribute additional compensation to South Korea, the Philippines, Taiwan, the Netherlands, and Indonesia.Each survivor was provided with a signed apology from the then prime minister Tomiichi Murayama stating "As Prime Minister of Japan, I thus extend anew my most sincere apologies and remorse to all the women who underwent immeasurable and painful experiences and suffered incurable physical and psychological wounds as comfort women.

Japan's Foreign Minister, Michio Watanabe, said "I cannot help acknowledging" that the Japanese military was involved in forcing the women to have sex with the troops. "I am troubled that the abominable episodes have been unraveled, and they give me heartache," he said.

Japan's chief Government spokesman, Koichi Kato, offered a more specific apology, saying, "We would like to express our heartfelt apology and soul-searching to those women who had a bitter hardship beyond description."


Also there are documents that confirm that it happened.


The report—“Amenities in the Japanese Armed Forces”—was declassified on March 6, 1992.  One of the report’s conclusions is that “the establishment of brothels under strict regulation is sanctioned by military authorities in any areas where there are large numbers of troops.

Asahi Shimbun, one of Japan's largest newspapers, reported that army documents found in the library of Japan's Self-Defense Agency indicated that the military had played a large role in operating what were euphemistically called "comfort stations."

The documents reported in Asahi Shimbun were found by Yoshiaki Yoshida, a history professor, who reviewed them at the Defense Agency. They have been in Japan since 1958, when they were returned by United States troops.

Only recently in 2007, Abe denied the forced prostitution. On March 27, the Japanese parliament again issued an official apology to refute his statement.

You are wrong.